His best in past?

His best in past?

There are 67 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Nov 30, 2007, titled His best in past?. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

It seemed like just yesterday that Jermaine O'Neal was a perennial All-Star, appearing in national commercials and challenging for league MVP honors.

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Since: Nov 07

Bronx, New York

#1 Nov 30, 2007
Currently he is the cancer of the team. The solution is he needs to be traded along with the top wigs in the front office of the Pacers. The problem is, it will be hard to trade him. I sit and chuckle over things like this. Has anybody seen the Pacers record WITHOUT O'Neal. Everytime he returns to the lineup they lose.

Front office does not really have a clue what to do with the roster. That is why the Pacers are in the state they are in right now, and that is why they will also not be able to reach the playoffs anytime soon.
Jeff from Delphi

United States

#2 Nov 30, 2007
Well this article outta light up the O'Neal tough love crowd.
I can't evaluate how JO fits into the up-tempo game till he is 100% healthy. It's been said by several posters before how JO needs to play power forward, needs a good (at least 2-tool) center and a good perimeter scorer (ala Miller). I've been waiting for the Pacers to get a center since B.Miller left. I like Foster but his value is coming off the bench, Murphy's too slow and again better coming off the bench. Harrison could be an answer, big big job for O'Brien to crack that nut. So when JO is 100% keep him at power forward, but not as the anchor of the offense. Rotate Foster, Murphy and Harrison at center, and I still think JO will provide more defensive/rebounding/shot blocking value to this team, if he's willing to let his "O" become secondary to his "D".
Wow

Indianapolis, IN

#3 Nov 30, 2007
AR Moreland wrote:
Currently he is the cancer of the team. The solution is he needs to be traded along with the top wigs in the front office of the Pacers. The problem is, it will be hard to trade him. I sit and chuckle over things like this. Has anybody seen the Pacers record WITHOUT O'Neal. Everytime he returns to the lineup they lose.
Front office does not really have a clue what to do with the roster. That is why the Pacers are in the state they are in right now, and that is why they will also not be able to reach the playoffs anytime soon.
I agree. When JO is in the game I turn off the TV and watch paint dry.
Florida fanbase

Athens, TN

#4 Nov 30, 2007
Jermaine O'Neal's decline shows exactly why the NBA signing these guys to the kind of money they get and for the number of years will absolutely handcuff a franchise from moving ahead.
The NBA and Major League Baseball ought to have the same kind of contracts the NFL has...it can be terminated by the team. That is why the NFL is still the most popular sport.
Who wants to pay to see some player past their prime getting the millions they are.
Contracts like Jermaine, Jason Kidd,
Ben Wallace, Shaq just go to prove these teams are going to have trouble building because of payroll
restrictions.
Pacer Pontiff

South Bend, IN

#5 Nov 30, 2007
So, many of us for weeks now have been saying we're better when JO is not in the game or plays less ... quite interesting to hear that NBA scouts are saying the same darned thing.

I hope JO and the Pacers prove me wrong!
Pacer Pontiff

South Bend, IN

#6 Nov 30, 2007
Hey Jeff. I think your last sentence is the key part of what you say ... will JO accept a different role? Sorry, I just don't see him doing it. More than anything, I don't see his attitude towards officials ever changing and he will always think he's THE guy. If he can play the role we need him to, sure we're better with him ... it's a big IF.
Jeff from Delphi wrote:
Well this article outta light up the O'Neal tough love crowd.
I can't evaluate how JO fits into the up-tempo game till he is 100% healthy. It's been said by several posters before how JO needs to play power forward, needs a good (at least 2-tool) center and a good perimeter scorer (ala Miller). I've been waiting for the Pacers to get a center since B.Miller left. I like Foster but his value is coming off the bench, Murphy's too slow and again better coming off the bench. Harrison could be an answer, big big job for O'Brien to crack that nut. So when JO is 100% keep him at power forward, but not as the anchor of the offense. Rotate Foster, Murphy and Harrison at center, and I still think JO will provide more defensive/rebounding/shot blocking value to this team, if he's willing to let his "O" become secondary to his "D".
brickyardd

Noblesville, IN

#7 Nov 30, 2007
Let him sit and watch..we enjoy winning.
Jeremy Johnson

Douglasville, GA

#8 Nov 30, 2007
Florida Fanbase.....baseball cannot cancel contracts. Had JO walked a fews years ago, you would have called management "cheap."

Anyways, Pacers look better this year.
Pacer Pontiff

South Bend, IN

#9 Nov 30, 2007
What's up Moreland.

Your first paragraph I agree with, but not sure about your 2nd paragraph. Other than the JO issue, seems like the team and thus the front office is doing quite well. You really think the team has no chance of making the playoffs? Have you checked the standings? Seems like the team should only get better.
AR Moreland wrote:
Currently he is the cancer of the team. The solution is he needs to be traded along with the top wigs in the front office of the Pacers. The problem is, it will be hard to trade him. I sit and chuckle over things like this. Has anybody seen the Pacers record WITHOUT O'Neal. Everytime he returns to the lineup they lose.
Front office does not really have a clue what to do with the roster. That is why the Pacers are in the state they are in right now, and that is why they will also not be able to reach the playoffs anytime soon.

“Hoosier fan in Tarheel land”

Since: Oct 07

Zebulon, NC

#10 Nov 30, 2007
Florida fanbase wrote:
Jermaine O'Neal's decline shows exactly why the NBA signing these guys to the kind of money they get and for the number of years will absolutely handcuff a franchise from moving ahead.
The NBA and Major League Baseball ought to have the same kind of contracts the NFL has...it can be terminated by the team. That is why the NFL is still the most popular sport.
Who wants to pay to see some player past their prime getting the millions they are.
Contracts like Jermaine, Jason Kidd,
Ben Wallace, Shaq just go to prove these teams are going to have trouble building because of payroll
restrictions.
I agree. In the real world the only "guarantee" you have in your "contract" is that if you continue to provide demonstrable value to your employer, you continue to be employed. Maybe I will go to my boss today and ask for a 5 year guaranteed contract with the company....along with a signing bonus...and an option to opt out after year 2 if I happen to get a better offer....

The structure of these guaranteed contracts and outrageous salaries will ultimately bring down the league:

outrageous salaries = huge operational costs

huge operational costs = need for higher tv, ticket, and merchandise revenue

higher tv, ticket, and merchandise costs = increasingly unaffordable costs for a typical family to attend a game, increased situations where you have to pay extra fees to see televised games (with restricted access), higher prices for merchandise.

what that all boils down to is increased tendency to drive away the previous fan base, which is increasingly looking for other lower cost entertainment options....once that fan base is alienated, it is hard to get it back.

ultimately, this is a classic case of the nba ultimately killing the goose for not laying enough golden eggs....
bluegold

South Bend, IN

#11 Nov 30, 2007
Pacer Pontiff wrote:
So, many of us for weeks now have been saying we're better when JO is not in the game or plays less ... quite interesting to hear that NBA scouts are saying the same darned thing.
I hope JO and the Pacers prove me wrong!
HECK YEAH, THE SCOUTS HAVE EVEN NOTICED THE PACERS ARE BETTER WITHOUT JO!
AWWMAIN

Greenwood, IN

#12 Nov 30, 2007
I WUNDER IF THAY CAN GIT NEBUDY 4 HIM WH O FITS BETTR W/ THA TEAM

duz nebody think so??

“Play more golf!!!”

Since: Nov 07

West Lafayette, IN

#13 Nov 30, 2007
Who cares!!!! I used to be a Pacers fan all the way back to the ABA days, but I've lost interest. I had the offer of four free tickets & a parking pass in nice seats three rows in back of where Larry B and his partner in crime sit the other night and turned them down. Used these seats last year and saw a boring game even though the Pacers beat the Cavaliers. The lack of effort by JO and many of the others is very apparent. The best part of the whole evening was dinner at Shapiro's. Its too bad, I still remember being absolutely thrilled to go see a Pacers game. I hope they get it turned around so I can route for the Pacers again, but until they do, Sayonara.
andrew

Green Bay, WI

#14 Nov 30, 2007
I wish Bird and Walsh would get realistic for a moment. We will never win with O'Neal. He's a good guy, but he's not an alpha dog. In fact, the longer we keep O'Neal the less we'll probably get in return as teams around the league begin to see how average Jermaine has become. Let's face it Pacer fans. It's gonna have to get worse before it gets better.
Creekdog

United States

#15 Nov 30, 2007
Who cares, when O'Neal plays the team just stands around and is boring to watch. He is the main reason I gave up my season tickets.
supercolts

Chicago, IL

#16 Nov 30, 2007
I think its crazy to say it but I think the pacers are better without him but the stats dont lie. I thik he could fit well into the system but he tries to play the game his way instead of Obriens way and his injuries are getting so old. Ihate watching him do that dumb post move he does and miss the 4 footer over and over again. I would like to see a line up like this.
Tinsley, Diener
Dunleavy, Rush
granger, daniels
Williams, Murphy
Foster, Harrison
i would put Diogu in there if he was healthy.
P.S. Foster is a rebounding stud and his wife is hot
JWO

United States

#17 Nov 30, 2007
"We run the same offense with or without him. We run the same defense with or without him."

Not true, you might run the same motion offense, but JO takes more shots than say Jeff Foster or David Harrison. Which then takes shots away from Granger and Dunleavy and etc...
sux

Indianapolis, IN

#18 Nov 30, 2007
Signed through the 09-10 season! Bahhhhhhhhhhahahahahahahah.
This guy should be put on trial for grand theft. It's sickening seeing the word all-star and great. It's even worse to see the state that the NBA is in that someone with O'Neal's talent is in that category.
A testament to his position on the team is that they are actually much better with him not in the line up. Not just better, much better. You can see it in the flow of the offense and the over all team play. Donnie and Larry. If you can find any sucker out there that will take this guy so the numbers work, DO IT!
PAYTON

Bensenville, IL

#19 Nov 30, 2007
Keep moving on without Jermaine, and consentrate on what we have to work with.I still have my season tickets and have enjoyed watching the Pacers with there new players and uptempo offense. I have even seen improvement in Tinsleys game."Look to the future Pacers not in the pasture!!"
No Rush

United States

#20 Nov 30, 2007
It's now obvious why the Pacers couldn't unload O'Neal in the off season.Indiana should move on and accept the fact that Jermaine isn't part of the big picture anymore.The sooner the better.The Star really went out on a limb to say"leaving many to wonder if the Pacers aren't a better team without him".Anybodys who's followed this years team doesn't have to wonder anything.O'Neal hinders this team.

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