Gibson signs long-term deal with Cava...

Gibson signs long-term deal with Cavaliers

There are 61 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from Jul 16, 2008, titled Gibson signs long-term deal with Cavaliers. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

Cleveland Cavaliers guard Daniel Gibson has signed a multi-year contract with the team, General Manager Danny Ferry said this morning.

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george lopez

Cleveland, OH

#1 Jul 16, 2008
shoot it boobie

“I'm just saying...”

Since: Jul 08

Orrville

#2 Jul 16, 2008
Good move for the Cavs.
dog

Akron, OH

#3 Jul 16, 2008
Most boobies come in twos, not ours, he comes with threes:-)
Doug

Cleveland, OH

#4 Jul 16, 2008
dog wrote:
Most boobies come in twos, not ours, he comes with threes:-)
Just like Total Recall.
Try It Again

Akron, OH

#5 Jul 16, 2008
One piece of the championship puzzle falls into place. Boobie when well will provide some outside shooting.
harry weltman

Gulfport, MS

#6 Jul 16, 2008
good signing...better building block
Chad

United States

#7 Jul 16, 2008
I know this is a Cavs forum, but I did not feel like starting a new one. I am just glad to see the Steelers are for sale. I hope someone buys them and moves them out of there to show those idiots what it feels like to lose a team you love so much. Rooney sees how bad it is and doesn't even want the team anymore!!

GO BROWNS!!!
Go Browns

Akron, OH

#8 Jul 16, 2008
Chad wrote:
I know this is a Cavs forum, but I did not feel like starting a new one. I am just glad to see the Steelers are for sale. I hope someone buys them and moves them out of there to show those idiots what it feels like to lose a team you love so much. Rooney sees how bad it is and doesn't even want the team anymore!!
GO BROWNS!!!
As much as I hate the Steelers, I have to stand up for Mr. Rooney. When that piece of sh*t Art Modell took our beloved Browns away, Mr. Rooney was one of only 2 owners that voted against the move. He was also the first to offer Steeler tickets to the season ticket holders who had lost out when the Browns left. I thought that was a first class move, sure they had to watch two teams that weren't theirs but at least is was football. I have relatives in Pa. that are diehard Steelers fans, and they all were sad to see our team leave almost as much as we were. Those 'idiots' knew what it was like to lose a team. And as for Mr. Rooney losing his team I am totally against it. The NFL would not be where it is today without this gentleman. He has done many great things and I for one can respect him because I am a fan of football with the Brownies being my number one team.
cloverfield

Brunswick, OH

#9 Jul 16, 2008
You mean, the Cavs signed Gibson long-term instead of low-balling him, then trading him for a D-league prospect? I thought that's how Cleveland teams were supposed to operate, since we're mid-market.

At least, that's what Shapiro keeps telling me to make up for Dolan's mistakes.
Try It Again

Akron, OH

#10 Jul 16, 2008
cloverfield wrote:
You mean, the Cavs signed Gibson long-term instead of low-balling him, then trading him for a D-league prospect? I thought that's how Cleveland teams were supposed to operate, since we're mid-market.
At least, that's what Shapiro keeps telling me to make up for Dolan's mistakes.
Remember Gilbert is not Dolan. Gilbert spends money to make money and wants to win a championship.

Since: Feb 08

Akron, OH

#11 Jul 16, 2008
cloverfield wrote:
You mean, the Cavs signed Gibson long-term instead of low-balling him, then trading him for a D-league prospect? I thought that's how Cleveland teams were supposed to operate, since we're mid-market.
At least, that's what Shapiro keeps telling me to make up for Dolan's mistakes.
You cannot compare the two sports. The fan following, operation costs, and policies related to salary are totally different.
Jon

United States

#12 Jul 16, 2008
Hopefully we can key in on these type players...the ones LeBron has a close relationship with...that way if Lebron is on the fence about staying or leaving this will tilt it in our favor. Glad Ferry/Boobie decided on the contract so we don't have another Wild Thing hold out.
cloverfield

Brunswick, OH

#13 Jul 16, 2008
Gain Some Reality wrote:
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You cannot compare the two sports. The fan following, operation costs, and policies related to salary are totally different.
You're right...the Cavs' payroll is LARGER than the Indians', even though there's a salary cap in basketball, baseball teams have nearly double the amount of players on roster than NBA teams, the Indians play double the home games as the Cavs, Progressive Field holds more than twice the amount of people as the Q, and operating expenses for a baseball field are lower than those for an arena.

I think your facts support my point.
whereisthelove

Akron, OH

#14 Jul 16, 2008
Let's hope he stays healthy!

Since: Feb 08

Akron, OH

#15 Jul 16, 2008
cloverfield wrote:
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You're right...the Cavs' payroll is LARGER than the Indians', even though there's a salary cap in basketball, baseball teams have nearly double the amount of players on roster than NBA teams, the Indians play double the home games as the Cavs, Progressive Field holds more than twice the amount of people as the Q, and operating expenses for a baseball field are lower than those for an arena.
I think your facts support my point.
You still cannot compare the sports. There are very different economic scales in both sports.

And where do you have numbers that prove the costs of operating an arena is more than a ballpark? The ballpark is limited to just those Indians home games, while the Arena is used around. Sometimes it hosts two major events the same day. I guess you want to ignore all the other year-around events in the arena.

The Cavs get about half as many fans in attendance during the year than the Indians. But look at the ticket price for each. I bet they are pretty equal in ticket income.
cloverfield

Brunswick, OH

#16 Jul 16, 2008
Gain Some Reality wrote:
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You still cannot compare the sports. There are very different economic scales in both sports.
And where do you have numbers that prove the costs of operating an arena is more than a ballpark? The ballpark is limited to just those Indians home games, while the Arena is used around. Sometimes it hosts two major events the same day. I guess you want to ignore all the other year-around events in the arena.
The Cavs get about half as many fans in attendance during the year than the Indians. But look at the ticket price for each. I bet they are pretty equal in ticket income.
They weren't when Jacobs owned the Indians...but I guess that brings us back to the main point: fans will support a team when an owner is dedicated to building a consistent winner, instead of cutting costs to save bank.

As for operating budgets, use common sense. It costs a lot more to heat and cool an indoor building (particularly one with ice) than it does an outdoor field.

The Q rents for concerts, etc. Progressive Field could as well, if they needed the money so bad to keep the place running. People will pay to see concerts at the Browns stadium, they would at Progressive Field as well. Shea proved this.
alan t

Chillicothe, OH

#17 Jul 16, 2008
cloverfield wrote:
You mean, the Cavs signed Gibson long-term instead of low-balling him, then trading him for a D-league prospect? I thought that's how Cleveland teams were supposed to operate, since we're mid-market.
At least, that's what Shapiro keeps telling me to make up for Dolan's mistakes.
Yes, a perfect comparison. Comparing a Cy Young winner to a dwarf shooting guard who averaged 10 points a game. Too bad the latest CBA precluded Ferry from giving him Ferry's old 10-year contract.

As silly as your post was, if you really want to give it any semblance of valid comparison, then you wouldn't be saying "D-league prospect," you'd be referring to several college freshman basketball players who have shown major signs of potential. D-League basketball players are playing in the D-League for a reason.
alan t

Chillicothe, OH

#18 Jul 16, 2008
cloverfield wrote:
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You're right...the Cavs' payroll is LARGER than the Indians', even though there's a salary cap in basketball, baseball teams have nearly double the amount of players on roster than NBA teams, the Indians play double the home games as the Cavs, Progressive Field holds more than twice the amount of people as the Q, and operating expenses for a baseball field are lower than those for an arena.
I think your facts support my point.
Uhh ... what? If I recall the chart, Gilbert's ticket price increases have been the highest in the entire NBA during his ownership tenure. Sh*t, simply tearing out the 16 media seats and replacing them with fan seating ... well, that alone brought in $1.5 million in additional annual revenue. And Gilbert's ownership group has never paid a single red cent in rent. Ever. That sweetheart fact is courtesy of the Gateway debacle.

Since: Feb 08

Akron, OH

#19 Jul 16, 2008
cloverfield wrote:
As for operating budgets, use common sense. It costs a lot more to heat and cool an indoor building (particularly one with ice) than it does an outdoor field.
The Q rents for concerts, etc. Progressive Field could as well, if they needed the money so bad to keep the place running. People will pay to see concerts at the Browns stadium, they would at Progressive Field as well. Shea proved this.
You keep comparing apples and oranges with no data to support your stance.

Look at all the things you are ignoring:
*size of each facility
*even the ballpark would have heating and energy costs year around
*arena has a different revenue stream than a stadium (i.e. beyond ball games)
*custodial costs would be different
*security costs would be different
*tickets prices are very different
*Indians attendance is at the mercy of the weather

I am not going to argue or discuss this with someone that bases their posts in assumptions and has no proof to back any of it.
cloverfield

Brunswick, OH

#20 Jul 16, 2008
Gain Some Reality wrote:
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You keep comparing apples and oranges with no data to support your stance.
Look at all the things you are ignoring:
*size of each facility
*even the ballpark would have heating and energy costs year around
*arena has a different revenue stream than a stadium (i.e. beyond ball games)
*custodial costs would be different
*security costs would be different
*tickets prices are very different
*Indians attendance is at the mercy of the weather
I am not going to argue or discuss this with someone that bases their posts in assumptions and has no proof to back any of it.
Nope, instead you're arguing with no proof to back up YOUR points, yet you're using that as reason to say why mine are wrong...

I don't know what the vested interest is with some of the forum readers in defending everything about Dolan, or if you're either A/ Dolan himself, or B/ a relative? Either way, I don't really care. Continue to spend money on the failing Cleveland Indians that Dolan has given us, and tell me why I'm wrong.

Meanwhile, I'll be supporting the Cavs and Browns, both of whom have shown they will take financial steps to build a better team, and watching highlight videos of the Indians circa 1994-2001.

I'll be watching this forum for the next five years though to see your comments every season that Dolan's great plans brings us success.

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