Pat's Beside the Point

Cavaliers' season ended as if someone had slammed a door in everyone's face. The Cavs were that close to beating the Boston Celtics. Full Story
David

Lakewood, OH

#1 May 24, 2008
Take a look at the widening waist(waste)-line of America and the massive jump in fuel prices. Combined with the thirty-odd years of government deregulation, is it any wonder the airlines stink?
alan t

Lewis Center, OH

#2 May 24, 2008
If this was New York, the columnists would be ripping Ferry a new one. Clearly, this is not New York.

Pat's lips seem to be perpetually pursed. After years of enduring Pluto's endless kissing of various management and ownerships' rings, I was hoping for something fresh. Words from somebody not wearing rose-colored glasses. Columns from somebody who had the guts to be pointed and critical without fear of retribution, whether from the people they cover, or, in Pluto's unique case, from the people they cover *and* from the Lord.

It's really too bad, it's the readers' loss. Oh, well.
terje

Big Sky, MT

#3 May 24, 2008
here's another cleveland sports tradition----losing!!!!

i love how the article starts by saying the fans are wrong for wanting mike brown gone but when you actually read the article a lot of the problems point to the coaching. mainly, the offense and lebron's lack of trust in the offensive "system".

and pat........i know you didn't want to draw attention to a little fact but even casual fans can catch you on this one. you mention that michael jordan didn't start winning until the bulls got scottie pippen and started running the triangle. you neglected to mention that a known commodity in doug collins was fired and replaced by a 2-time cba coach of the year--phil jackson. that's right pat---a coaching change was necessary.

so you can spout the company line all you want about mike brown not being a part of the problem. it's not hard to see that even you know that mike brown is a large part of the problem. all i had to do to see that was actually read your article.
Spud

Cleveland, OH

#4 May 25, 2008
Good article, Pat. Whether I agree or not, your comments are always well-thought-out. So...

Agree: They just MUST stop the "Lebron dribbles while everybody watches" trick.

Disagree: LBJ does it because he thinks...
I don't think any reason is a good one, and I wonder if he's thinking at all. He's still a kid, a mature one as young NBA'ers go, but still a kid. It's hubris, macho, alpha-male, king-of-the-playground B.S., and it comes with the territory at that age. If you were ever an athlete and young and strong, you know it's true.

Agree: Brown is a good coach, and firing him would be foolish. He's made these guys into a defensive powerhouse, which is the correct way to build a playoff winner.

Disagree: Brown is a good coach, and firing him would be foolish. If he had any stones, he'd call a timeout the next time Lebron stops the offense for a little 1-on-5, and get in his face like the daddy he never had would have been doing all along. His coach at St.V's never let him get away with it.

Agree: With all of your top-10 best playoff moments involving actual game action.

Disagree: With all of your top-10 best playoff moments NOT involving actual game action. My eyes glaze over every time I hear a "sports"caster comment on what a player said, or did off the court, or worst of all, what a rap artist said! Puh-leeze! Who gives a rat's @$$!

Since: Dec 07

United States

#5 May 25, 2008
After watching a few games of the Pistons supposedly good defense allowing Ray Allen to be wide open, and all these uncontested dunks, I'm glad we have Mike Brown. Our D is waaaaaay better than Detroits. I'm not one for "if's", but I think that in Boston, Game 7, down by 1 with a few minutes left a few more things go our way and we'd be on our way to another NBA Finals.

Since: Dec 07

United States

#6 May 25, 2008
Oh, and Alant, c'mon man, you can say you don't want a reporter to kiss up to management, but I have a hard time finding anything wrong with what Pat said.

You want a reporter that will take the same facts Pat laid out, but use them to rattle the saber and call for everyones heads... I don't understand the point of that.
alan t

Lewis Center, OH

#7 May 25, 2008
PDT1420 wrote:
Oh, and Alant, c'mon man, you can say you don't want a reporter to kiss up to management, but I have a hard time finding anything wrong with what Pat said.
You want a reporter that will take the same facts Pat laid out, but use them to rattle the saber and call for everyones heads... I don't understand the point of that.
Well, if it's not Mike Brown's fault, then whose fault is it? There's one guy, and one guy alone, who put this roster together. And it wasn't LeBron James.

By the way, the Hawks also took the Celtics to seven games, so please, let's cut the crapola about taking the Celtics to seven games as a sneaky method to protect the guilty. It's still pretty much James plus 14, the same way it's been since the day Paxson drafted the dude. The only real difference between now and then is James' astronomical improvement and the astronomical jacking up of ticket prices to compensate for the astronomical increase in payroll.

Since: Dec 07

Akron, OH

#8 May 25, 2008
alan t wrote:
<quoted text> Well, if it's not Mike Brown's fault, then whose fault is it? There's one guy, and one guy alone, who put this roster together. And it wasn't LeBron James.
And if there was "one guy" who put the roster together, which is an ignorant comment in and of itself, then that "one guy" wasn't Mike Brown.

Rosters get put together over years, Boston is a freak occurance, different GM's have made many mistakes the years leading up to and including LeBron's draft year. Remember that Kapono was our 2nd round pick LeBron's year? Who was the genius that let him go... not Mike Brown.

And again, what EXACTLY did Pat write that you disagreed with?

Since: Dec 07

Akron, OH

#9 May 25, 2008
And alan, just the very essence of the line "well if it's not Mike Brown's fault, who's fault is it?" is very immature and uneducated. There is always more than one place where the blame lies.
daveh

Lewis Center, OH

#10 May 25, 2008
PDT1420 wrote:
<quoted text>
And if there was "one guy" who put the roster together, which is an ignorant comment in and of itself, then that "one guy" wasn't Mike Brown.
Rosters get put together over years, Boston is a freak occurance, different GM's have made many mistakes the years leading up to and including LeBron's draft year. Remember that Kapono was our 2nd round pick LeBron's year? Who was the genius that let him go... not Mike Brown.
And again, what EXACTLY did Pat write that you disagreed with?
Give me a break ... it's been YEARS since Kapono was made available for the expansion draft ... and by the way, after being let loose by Charlotte, Ferry could have picked him up again, but chose not to.

But Kapono? Come on. What's that have to do with the current makeup of the team? It's not what McManamon writes. It's what McManamon DOESN'T write. Therein lies the problem. It's become fairly obvious this is never going to change. Some writers aren't afraid to stir up the pot. In New York, none of them are. In Northeast Ohio, newspapers for the sports columnists are like a wayward home for lost poodles.
terje

Big Sky, MT

#11 May 26, 2008
PDT1420 wrote:
After watching a few games of the Pistons supposedly good defense allowing Ray Allen to be wide open, and all these uncontested dunks, I'm glad we have Mike Brown. Our D is waaaaaay better than Detroits. I'm not one for "if's", but I think that in Boston, Game 7, down by 1 with a few minutes left a few more things go our way and we'd be on our way to another NBA Finals.
you might as well say "i'm glad we have mike brown. i'd much rather lose in the second round then be playing in the eastern conference finals this year."

look where the "d" got the cavs this year? knocked out early. that "d" was not enough to prevent paul pierce from going off in game 7. and it wasn't enough to beat the spurs last year. i don't want to hear about the "d" anymore. if i want to watch half a basketball game i'll go see the globetrotters.

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