What a coin flip can mean to a team

What a coin flip can mean to a team

There are 15 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from May 16, 2007, titled What a coin flip can mean to a team. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

As what-if moments go, it's a monster -- no less than one of the most influential days in the 40-year history of the Indiana Pacers.

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MMMmmm

Benton, KY

#1 May 17, 2007
That hurts

Since: May 07

Fairland

#2 May 17, 2007
And if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their a**** when they hopped.
65mopar

United States

#3 May 17, 2007
Ahhhh, but Stippo was a by far better player than Sampson.
He could rebound and shoot and run the floor.
He just had the bad luck of having the bad spot on his bone.
pokernut

Livermore, CA

#4 May 17, 2007
Franchises are NOT built on a coin flip. Pacers are destined for last-place finish next year. Who will take responsibility for all the bad trades? Al Harrington, Stephen Jackson, Ron Artest, Anthony Johnson, Fred Jones, Austin Croshere and Pacers are left with three Golden State benchwarmers and their $100 million salaries. Larry Bird is too stupid for words. Why should he be selecting a new coach, when he is the one who should be fired? The whole situation is laughable. Simons are clueless, absentee real estate moguls.
Concerned Fan

Marblehead, MA

#5 May 17, 2007
Over the last 23 years the Pacer originazation has mad some ill advised trades and signings. The pacers have not been in a position to draft or trade players due to customized contracts given to players. Is it time for a change at the top? The coach is gone but does the one who builds the team need to be accountable? We still have eggo on our face for not having a 1st round choice this season. It just keeps getting worse.
What

Florence, KY

#6 May 17, 2007
needs to be done it this: quit supporting to the Pacers, now. Encourage the Simons to sell it now. The new owners will take the team elsewhere or rebuild with renewed focus and sense of urgency. Even if the team goes elsewhere someone local will not stand for this and get a new franchise in.

If you think this team is getting Oden or Connely or anyone else worth a darn you are WRONG (watch Atlanta get them both). Ditto next year. Management has made one crucial mistake after another the past 5 years and left the organization bare with no prospects for a quick recovery.

Flush the whole organization and start over. All the goodwill has been lost. Its going to take YEARS, if not a decade, to recover it. It will happen faster with a totally fresh start.
jeff

Dallas, TX

#7 May 17, 2007
Random fate does not build franchises. Sweat equity, money, and intelligence build franchises. People continually chase the quick fix, short term solution. If you have a credit card in your pocket that carries a balance month to month you are one of those dogs that chases his tail! Not everyone has a keen eye for talent or understands what it takes to be successful over a long period of time. Thats why we have sports franchises that are winners and then we have teams like the Pacers, Clippers, Texas Rangers, Houston Texans, just to name a few. If you keep clinging to ping pong balls, lottery tickets, slot machines and bingo night as a long term business plan?, Good luck, because that is what you will be relying on and everyone know that eventually that runs out!
Nick

Indianapolis, IN

#8 May 17, 2007
What wrote:
needs to be done it this: quit supporting to the Pacers, now. Encourage the Simons to sell it now. The new owners will take the team elsewhere or rebuild with renewed focus and sense of urgency. Even if the team goes elsewhere someone local will not stand for this and get a new franchise in.
You are an idiot if you think we should let the Pacers leave. Teams don't just move around like free agents. There are other cities who show a clear interest in getting a team at all costs (Oklahoma City, Las Vegas) and it would take twice as long to get a team here as it would to rebuild this franchise. Trade JO and start again.

Then again, we could always use a Conseco-sized parking lot or office building downtown.
L Scott

Denver, CO

#10 May 17, 2007
Random fate: Sure it matters. In 1985 the Pacers had the 2nd pick behind the Knicks. The Knicks chose Patrick Ewing, the Pacers get Wayman Tisdale. Also in the draft were Karl Malone taken 13th by the Jazz and Joe Dumars 18th by the Pistons. Had the Pacers taken Dumars, do the Pistons still dethrone the Celtic as repeat Eastern champs later in the 80's and go on to win back to back titles?????
Get Real

Euclid, OH

#12 May 18, 2007
Some of you people are complete and utter idiots. To claim that that Pacers, as a franchise, is somehow a failure (up there with the Clippers!?!) is truly boneheaded. Guess making the play-offs nearly every year for a remarkable decade and a half is nothing. Guess making it to what...5? semi-finals is nothing. Guess making it to the finals is nothing. Guess producing one of the most consistent solid teams in NBA history (circa second half of the 90's Pacers) is nothing. Guess giving the NBA some of the most exciting moments in NBA history (THANK YOU REGGIE) is nothing. Get a clue please.
Sean D

Portland, OR

#13 May 20, 2007
Drexler would have been highly unlikely at 3rd. Houston had told him they were picking him, so he declined workouts for all other teams. He worked out for Portland either after being told Houston might not pick him or after he decided to do workouts just in case, I forget which. Either way, he only had time for Portland and that was it. That is the biggest reason why he fell to 14th, where Portland picked him, being the only team who had him in a workout, back when scouting and hype weren't quite as extensive as they are today, if I'm not mistaken.
Indiana

Newark, OH

#14 May 20, 2007
Yeah! Flip the coin!
james jones

Norfolk, NE

#15 May 20, 2007
Forget the draft! What the pacers need to do is to trade ONeal to Houston for Yao Ming. The rockets want to move to a run and gun style like phoenix and yao doesn't fit this style; but oneal would. And a big man like yao in the east would immediately make the pacers contenders. Lets hear what other have to say about it!
Paul van Ratkin

Munich, Germany

#16 May 20, 2007
What James Jones just said made me think: "What the pacers need to do is to trade ONeal to Houston for Yao Ming."

It's the second time today I read some trade suggestion involving Yao (the first being sending Jason Richardson, Stephen Jackson and maybe Andris Biedrins for the big canter). I think Houston won't trade Yao until his retirement or a dead spot in his knee, and I say it based merely on jersey sales and the sure spot as an All-Star for the next decade.

Indiana is not a failure, it had a great period with Reggie, and now they are trying to get back on track, but it just won't happen overnight (the post-Jordan Bulls are only now getting the team back as a real contender), fans have to keep optmist and hope this process'll only take some 5 seasons (time enough for bad contracts to expire, hoping that no new bad contracts are made).

And finally, as a Lakers fan, I heard somewhere Kobe is trying to pull some strings to bring his buddy JO to LA, so the Pacers may have to start thinking what to do with Lamar Odom in their rotation (what might be a good thing).
What

Florence, KY

#17 May 21, 2007
you need to do Nick is face the facts. Know what goodwill is? They had it, lots of it. More than the Colts. Now they've little to none.

Bird has mucked this up to the most extreme level imaginable. They've no prospects for improvement on the horizon unless, by some miracle, they get the 1st pick. Those are loooooooooonnnnnnnnnnngggggg odds Nick. They don't have a high performing, consistent PG, SG or C. O'Neal is becoming more disfunctional by the day.

Think they're going to get back to the playoffs this decade? If you do the idiot is staring back at you in the mirror.

They need a complete makeover. One way is sell the franchise and start over later. Hoosiers luv bball and when (the Pacers would) them Hoosiers will be back with total forgiveness and the goodwill will be back in force.
Nick wrote:
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You are an idiot if you think we should let the Pacers leave. Teams don't just move around like free agents. There are other cities who show a clear interest in getting a team at all costs (Oklahoma City, Las Vegas) and it would take twice as long to get a team here as it would to rebuild this franchise. Trade JO and start again.
Then again, we could always use a Conseco-sized parking lot or office building downtown.

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