Celtics lack killer instinct

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Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce were stoic, almost listless in the postgame interview room moments after the Celtics narrowly avoided what would have been a sure knockout blow to their title aspirations. Full Story
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“Rough road ahead”

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#511 Jul 16, 2008
showtime wrote:
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Thats better than artest but a lot of wishful thinking there, pretty unrealistic but ok fair enough if thats what you think can happen then thats good for you.
Nothing is realistic at this point. LOOK at the clippers trade.

Do You think this is more unrealistic, than wanting to make a trade with a division rival are You kidding me?
where You get their best player and You give them back Your 4th offense men and not mention inconsistence player.

Is just a matter to present the right deal.

I see this way You already made up Your mind that is either Artest or nothing, there is no point in me even giving You possible trades, is pointless.

Other guys You could had gone through the roster and look for possibilities.

I have a bad vibe, I feel we will be sorry if this trade happens.

“Rough road ahead”

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#512 Jul 16, 2008
showtime wrote:
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If he screws his head on right the guy is a hell of a player.
That is a BIG IF.

It did not happen in Chicago, it did not happen in Indiana, it did not happen Sacramento.

To think it will happen in L.A. is wishful thinking too.
showtime

Anaheim, CA

#513 Jul 16, 2008
rrenault wrote:
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Nothing is realistic at this point. LOOK at the clippers trade.
Do You think this is more unrealistic, than wanting to make a trade with a division rival are You kidding me?
where You get their best player and You give them back Your 4th offense men and not mention inconsistence player.
Is just a matter to present the right deal.
I see this way You already made up Your mind that is either Artest or nothing, there is no point in me even giving You possible trades, is pointless.
Other guys You could had gone through the roster and look for possibilities.
I have a bad vibe, I feel we will be sorry if this trade happens.
First off its not unrealistic because its already out there! hello! secondly no its not artest or nothing I just dont see any other great deal out there for lamar, I just dont want to get minor role players back for him, I guess we will just have to wait and see.
showtime

Anaheim, CA

#514 Jul 16, 2008
rrenault wrote:
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That is a BIG IF.
It did not happen in Chicago, it did not happen in Indiana, it did not happen Sacramento.
To think it will happen in L.A. is wishful thinking too.
Well your the same guy who wanted to deal bynum for kidd, that would have been a disaster for the lakers, because kidds contract would have swallowed up other key players just to match salaries.
Dan S

Mcalpin, FL

#515 Jul 16, 2008
rrenault wrote:
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That is a BIG IF.
It did not happen in Chicago, it did not happen in Indiana, it did not happen Sacramento.
To think it will happen in L.A. is wishful thinking too.
I actually think it has a much better chance of happening with the Lakers because of one man: Phil Jackson.
I've been quick to criticize the hype around Jackson in the past, but one thing he has proven he can do time and time again is manage egos and handle volatile personalities.
Look at his track record. He got Rodman to mellow out in Chicago (at least enough to be effective). He got Shaq and Kobe to co-exist long enough to win 3 rings. I think he could get Artest focused and ready to make a run at a ring.
showtime

Tustin, CA

#516 Jul 16, 2008
Dan S wrote:
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I actually think it has a much better chance of happening with the Lakers because of one man: Phil Jackson.
I've been quick to criticize the hype around Jackson in the past, but one thing he has proven he can do time and time again is manage egos and handle volatile personalities.
Look at his track record. He got Rodman to mellow out in Chicago (at least enough to be effective). He got Shaq and Kobe to co-exist long enough to win 3 rings. I think he could get Artest focused and ready to make a run at a ring.
Yeah Jackson is another reason why I think it could work, plus hes good friends with kobe, and I think ron actually does want to win.

“Rough road ahead”

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#517 Jul 16, 2008
showtime wrote:
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Well your the same guy who wanted to deal bynum for kidd, that would have been a disaster for the lakers, because kidds contract would have swallowed up other key players just to match salaries.
Wait to said, that I wanted to trade Kidd for Bynum is not true, No I am not the same guy.
I was okay if it happened, but I did not want Kidd's contract or he wanting an extension cause the would real cripple the Lakers in the future.

I was more toward an Oneal trade then Kidd.
Heck the player I really wanted them to trade for was Gasol, any way.

Also Bynum at that time and Bynum now 2 different players.

Also You say is happening hello? why cause the media say is happening? I have not read any confirmations from either the Lakers or Sacramento that they are in trade talks.

If the Lakers get Artest I would have to accept it he would be a Lakers, but I would be worry how the team does.

You are the same guy that say the Lakers only needed to get Bynum back to beat the Celtics, so now we need Artest as well, bynum won't enough any more?

“Rough road ahead”

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#518 Jul 16, 2008
Dan S wrote:
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I actually think it has a much better chance of happening with the Lakers because of one man: Phil Jackson.
I've been quick to criticize the hype around Jackson in the past, but one thing he has proven he can do time and time again is manage egos and handle volatile personalities.
Look at his track record. He got Rodman to mellow out in Chicago (at least enough to be effective). He got Shaq and Kobe to co-exist long enough to win 3 rings. I think he could get Artest focused and ready to make a run at a ring.
Rodman and Artest are two different type of head cases and Phil is 12 years older now then when he had to deal with Rodman, I do not know if he has energy to deal with this guy.

Rodman wanted attention that was all, that is not Artest situation here.

“Rough road ahead”

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#519 Jul 16, 2008
showtime wrote:
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Yeah Jackson is another reason why I think it could work, plus hes good friends with kobe, and I think ron actually does want to win.
Show something I learned a long time ago was that plus of being good friends with Kobe another players is bunch of bs.

Just look at what happened with great Davis and Brand, I do not buy it into that any more.

Every off season there is one of those.
showtime

Agoura Hills, CA

#520 Jul 16, 2008
rrenault wrote:
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Wait to said, that I wanted to trade Kidd for Bynum is not true, No I am not the same guy.
I was okay if it happened, but I did not want Kidd's contract or he wanting an extension cause the would real cripple the Lakers in the future.
I was more toward an Oneal trade then Kidd.
Heck the player I really wanted them to trade for was Gasol, any way.
Also Bynum at that time and Bynum now 2 different players.
Also You say is happening hello? why cause the media say is happening? I have not read any confirmations from either the Lakers or Sacramento that they are in trade talks.
If the Lakers get Artest I would have to accept it he would be a Lakers, but I would be worry how the team does.
You are the same guy that say the Lakers only needed to get Bynum back to beat the Celtics, so now we need Artest as well, bynum won't enough any more?
I will respond to you in the other forum.
showtime

Agoura Hills, CA

#521 Jul 16, 2008
rrenault wrote:
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Show something I learned a long time ago was that plus of being good friends with Kobe another players is bunch of bs.
Just look at what happened with great Davis and Brand, I do not buy it into that any more.
Every off season there is one of those.
Ok you will get my answers in the other forum.
Dan S

Mcalpin, FL

#522 Jul 17, 2008
showtime wrote:
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Yeah Jackson is another reason why I think it could work, plus hes good friends with kobe, and I think ron actually does want to win.
The cat is definitely a little out there. Say what you want about Artest, but he's a fierce competitor, and he's probably getting to the point of his career where he realizes that his time to get a ring is running out.

You watch the Lakers more than I do, so tell me if this observation is off base, but it seems like Odom spends a lot of his time going through the motions. It's hard to tell just based on the way he looks on TV, but he just doesn't seem to give a crap half the time.
Dan S

Mcalpin, FL

#523 Jul 17, 2008
rrenault wrote:
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Rodman and Artest are two different type of head cases and Phil is 12 years older now then when he had to deal with Rodman, I do not know if he has energy to deal with this guy.
Rodman wanted attention that was all, that is not Artest situation here.
I don't buy the "he's too old" argument. He still commands a great deal of respect (maybe more so now than he did with the Bulls). The one thing Artest and Rodman have in common is that competitive streak, and as long as that's the case, Phil could probably work with him.
I'm not sold that they should make that move, but Artest is a better defender and a better outside shooter. I'd certainly be tempted.
showtime

United States

#524 Jul 17, 2008
Dan S wrote:
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The cat is definitely a little out there. Say what you want about Artest, but he's a fierce competitor, and he's probably getting to the point of his career where he realizes that his time to get a ring is running out.
You watch the Lakers more than I do, so tell me if this observation is off base, but it seems like Odom spends a lot of his time going through the motions. It's hard to tell just based on the way he looks on TV, but he just doesn't seem to give a crap half the time.
You are right Odom is always being ripped by lakers fans for not putting his heart into it every night, he is a emotional guy, kobe says that as well, we are just sick of his inconsistencies. Rons game makes perfect sense for the lakers and its a risk im willing to make.

“Rough road ahead”

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#525 Jul 17, 2008
Dan S wrote:
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I don't buy the "he's too old" argument. He still commands a great deal of respect (maybe more so now than he did with the Bulls). The one thing Artest and Rodman have in common is that competitive streak, and as long as that's the case, Phil could probably work with him.
I'm not sold that they should make that move, but Artest is a better defender and a better outside shooter. I'd certainly be tempted.
Well, what I question from him would be his priority and winning ring is not it, not from what he keeps saying and doing.
Dan S

Mcalpin, FL

#526 Jul 22, 2008
showtime wrote:
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You are right Odom is always being ripped by lakers fans for not putting his heart into it every night, he is a emotional guy, kobe says that as well, we are just sick of his inconsistencies. Rons game makes perfect sense for the lakers and its a risk im willing to make.
Yeah, one night Odom looks like an All-Star, and the next night he's solidly below average. At least with Artest you know what you're gonna get (on the court).
Even though Artest has a checkered past, it was never really affected his performance on the court (with exception of the Detroit brawl, of course). Like I said, I would certainly be tempted.
showtime

United States

#527 Jul 22, 2008
Dan S wrote:
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Yeah, one night Odom looks like an All-Star, and the next night he's solidly below average. At least with Artest you know what you're gonna get (on the court).
Even though Artest has a checkered past, it was never really affected his performance on the court (with exception of the Detroit brawl, of course). Like I said, I would certainly be tempted.
Yeah exactly.
Dan S

Mcalpin, FL

#528 Jul 22, 2008
showtime wrote:
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Yeah exactly.
As my resident Laker expert, how likely do you think this trade is to happen? Is it all speculation?
Also, what can you tell me about Jarvaris Crittendon? Word in Orlando's camp is they're going to try and trade for him.
showtime

Whittier, CA

#529 Jul 22, 2008
Dan S wrote:
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As my resident Laker expert, how likely do you think this trade is to happen? Is it all speculation?
Also, what can you tell me about Jarvaris Crittendon? Word in Orlando's camp is they're going to try and trade for him.
Well I think its very likely being that the lakers are the front runners right now, I just think maybe the lakers are trying to bargain with the kings to get ron at a much lower price, the cost is kenny thomas contract which isnt cheap, and well lamars level headed ways for someone who could snap at any moment so its a risky deal, I have a feeling this deal probably happens but much later maybe towards allstar break, unless the heat or the mavs are willing to give up marion or howard....JC was a very nice up and coming player for us, he showed some flashes of greatness at times, he can do many little tricks with the ball to get off a nice play, hes a tall point guard who can dunk, hes pretty quick and seems to have a nice jump shot and ability, so basically it seems like he has all the tool offensively hes just got to develop his game to be more consistent and learn what a young guy has to learn in order to become a great player every night.
Dan S

Mcalpin, FL

#530 Jul 22, 2008
showtime wrote:
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Well I think its very likely being that the lakers are the front runners right now, I just think maybe the lakers are trying to bargain with the kings to get ron at a much lower price, the cost is kenny thomas contract which isnt cheap, and well lamars level headed ways for someone who could snap at any moment so its a risky deal, I have a feeling this deal probably happens but much later maybe towards allstar break, unless the heat or the mavs are willing to give up marion or howard....JC was a very nice up and coming player for us, he showed some flashes of greatness at times, he can do many little tricks with the ball to get off a nice play, hes a tall point guard who can dunk, hes pretty quick and seems to have a nice jump shot and ability, so basically it seems like he has all the tool offensively hes just got to develop his game to be more consistent and learn what a young guy has to learn in order to become a great player every night.
Would you say that JC is a true point guard, or is he a shoot first, pass second 1? Because with Orlando's lineup, we need a true point. Still not sold on Jameer, although he did a much better job this past season.
Do you think Kobe and Artest would get along OK? I've never heard any of Artest's teammates complain about him on the court, so my gut says it would be all right, but you can never tell with someone so volatile, I guess.

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