Forget LeBron and rebuild Knicks pick by brick

There are 22 comments on the AMNY story from May 19, 2008, titled Forget LeBron and rebuild Knicks pick by brick. In it, AMNY reports that:

There's a tendency by restless Knicks fans to fast-forward past tonight's NBA draft lottery and look to the 2010 lottery, when the prize won't be some 19-year-old who led his team to the Final Four but a ...

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Tango

United States

#1 May 19, 2008
I might be wrong but didnt the Knicks trade away their first round pick for 2009? I can't remember for which player but I remember it was one of Isiah's masterful trade in his tenure,
mcAdoo

Easton, PA

#2 May 19, 2008
I think the Knicks have a first-round pick in 2009, but have ceded the second-round pick in 2009 as part of the Eddy Curry deal.
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As for the article, I totally agree. This thinking that the ultimate goal is to get Lebron James as a free agent is highly presumptive. First, I think he'll resign with Cleveland. He's from the area and the team has pushed deep into the playoffs the past two years. Even if he wants to leave, New York is not draw that everyone thinks it is relative to basketball.
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The tricky thing with the Knicks is that they are many, many years away from a Conference Finals game. But they're not far from making the playoffs as a seven or eight seed. That statement has everything to do with the pathetic state of the East. And at this point, the worst thing to happen to the Knicks is to float into next spring's playoffs as an eight seed. And nowadays, a team well under .500 can get in in that conference. Nope, if the Knicks are going to return to serious contention, they're just going to have to do it slowly and painfully. As a Knick fan, I hope they win the lottery, draft Derrick Rose, dump Stephon Marbury, Jerome James, Jarod Jeffires, go through growing pains, learn a new system, go 25-57 and then win the lottery again next year. That, to me, is the only way they're going to get better.
ALI G

Flushing, NY

#3 May 19, 2008
Powell NEWS FLASH!!!! Knicks don't own their 2010 pick, thanks Isiah. Isiah kinda like herpes. A gift that keeps giving.
Tod Lautenberg

New York, NY

#4 May 20, 2008
LeBron isn't the only free agent in 2010. What if we win next year. should we throw games to stick with your plan. We don't get our pick next year if it's a lottery pick anyway. UTAH DOES. Do your homework and stop making rationalizations to cure a rationalization. The lottery is more improbable than Lebron because we ain't in it.
Jeffr

New York, NY

#5 May 20, 2008
2010 lottery pick is owned by Utah who got it from Phoenix who got it in the Marbury trade. And of course it's unprotected. In 2009 the Knicks do not have a 2nd round pick to complete the Curry trade
Lotterypick

Brooklyn, NY

#6 May 20, 2008
It's hard to keep track of traded-away Knick draft picks, but if the Knicks keep adding "bricks" like Frye and Sweetney when selecting in the top 10, they'll have a permanent lottery seat right next to Elgin Baylor's.
Smitty

Lithonia, GA

#7 May 20, 2008
I don't know about this lebron thing. Even if we don't win lottery we need to trade up and get Rose, we have the young talent. Waiting for a player who still might not come, BS. We have big assets in the expiring. Look what LA did with Gasol. It's funny nobody likes Marbury but he is very valuable right now.
Smitty

Lithonia, GA

#8 May 20, 2008
With the lottery and a trade where right back in it. Isiah had the right idea, but he went to damn far. He went overboard with the Randolph trade. That was the killer. He did alot of other crazy stuff. Without getting Randolph we probaly would've made the playoffs.
pverne

Washington, DC

#9 May 20, 2008
I'm going to make some comments that will probably draw a great deal of scorn. Despite some glaring errors by Isaiah, he did make some good choices. The draft with Channing Fry also produced David Lee and Nate Robinson. I stll believe Wilson Chandler and Renaldo Balkman can be valuable pieces. Perhaps Jamal Crawford can be tamed, also. Eddie Curry ....... maybe. However, Isaiah didn't know what to do with the players he picked! He failed terribly at bringing out their potential. In that one sense I'm reminded of Rick Pitino when he was GM / coach with the Celtics. Pitino is a terrific coach, but he gave up quickly on people like Chauncey Billups. I believe that with good coaching and some better moves from the front office on trades, the future is not as dismal as some people think.
We do need to have the will to dump people like Jerome James and move on.(I actually would have preferred staying with Jackie Butler!) We also need to be patient and avoid the "quick fixes" that bring people like James.
With a little luck in the lottery, we can be considerably better next year. As for King James, that would be nice but to make him the cornerstone of our plan would be dangerous. I agree totally with Shawn on this.
bruce fields

New York, NY

#10 May 20, 2008
shuod someone tell the author the knicks don't have a number 1 in 2009 and 2010 - they traded it as part of the marbury deal and utah now has the rights to it...
Smitty

Lithonia, GA

#11 May 20, 2008
pverne wrote:
I'm going to make some comments that will probably draw a great deal of scorn. Despite some glaring errors by Isaiah, he did make some good choices. The draft with Channing Fry also produced David Lee and Nate Robinson. I stll believe Wilson Chandler and Renaldo Balkman can be valuable pieces. Perhaps Jamal Crawford can be tamed, also. Eddie Curry ....... maybe. However, Isaiah didn't know what to do with the players he picked! He failed terribly at bringing out their potential. In that one sense I'm reminded of Rick Pitino when he was GM / coach with the Celtics. Pitino is a terrific coach, but he gave up quickly on people like Chauncey Billups. I believe that with good coaching and some better moves from the front office on trades, the future is not as dismal as some people think.
We do need to have the will to dump people like Jerome James and move on.(I actually would have preferred staying with Jackie Butler!) We also need to be patient and avoid the "quick fixes" that bring people like James.
With a little luck in the lottery, we can be considerably better next year. As for King James, that would be nice but to make him the cornerstone of our plan would be dangerous. I agree totally with Shawn on this.
He failed just like larry brown. Because my question is why keep changing peoples games. Why get Marbury and puit him with Larry brown. If we win this lottery and get Rose we will be okay. Trade a expiring and get a player who fits and where right back in there. We have a lot of options.
brian apple

Indianapolis, IN

#12 May 20, 2008
knicks are lock for 55 wins next year.............
brian apple

Indianapolis, IN

#13 May 20, 2008
the knicks were bad because the guy from indiana.......... thomas is a bum just like every other player from indiana u
Rharnick

AOL

#14 May 20, 2008
Sorry Shaun but the Knicks traded their first round pick in 2010 to the Suns as part of the Marbury trade. If they can't sign a free agent at that time all Knick fans will be miserable.
GJW

Royersford, PA

#15 May 20, 2008
So after all that....who do you suggest we take it we don't get the one or two pick? Mayo, Lopez, Bayless....what's your plan?
Not Hawthorne Wingo

Valleyfield, Canada

#16 May 20, 2008
Um, what if we don't have a first round pick, you know like the one for 2009 or 2010 we traded away for Marbury. Does a good FA look like a good move then?
JasperKing

Phoenix, AZ

#17 May 20, 2008
Shaun,you're 100% correct re LeBron,however, build this team around defense. If the K's get a 1or 2, trade down and take Robin Lopez in the 10-12 range + a pick next year,they've lost their own.Package Crawford + Curry for short-term contracts.Start Lee,Zach,Lopez, Collins +F.Jones, who you sign to a 2-3 year, not much money deal. If Chandler continues to grow,move Lee or Zach back to the bench.Continue to "talk up" Marbury and trade thim for any short-term contract or buy him out!!Buy-out James and if N8 requires a long-term deal, he goes too!!Balkman, Jeffries, the Craw trade and perhaps a draft FA point guard are the bench.This team is built around "D", young and can run to make up for some offensive deficiencies.Use next years pick to draft a scorer and stay out of the FA market.When 2010 rolls around, if LeBron is the missing piece,you've got a tough decision to make!!
Troy Smith Better Start

Bowie, MD

#18 May 20, 2008
Lebron is King
floridasucks

Orlando, FL

#19 May 20, 2008
I just want to move back to NY
Non Kicks Fan

United States

#20 May 21, 2008
Good read, but you're forgetting one small thing. The Knicks will not be getting a lottery pick in the 2010 draft or any first round pick for that matter. And once again, you can thank Isiah for that. This pick was part of the Marbury trade

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