Chicago Bulls' new GM Gar Forman disc...

Chicago Bulls' new GM Gar Forman discusses team's future

There are 68 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from May 21, 2009, titled Chicago Bulls' new GM Gar Forman discusses team's future. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Eleven years ago, I came to work for the Bulls . As I walked down the corridor where they've got all the team pictures, it was one of the greatest thrills of my life.

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Bulls4Life

Auburn, IL

#62 May 26, 2009
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While I understand what you are trying to say, my point is really simple. Ben Gordan is nothing more than a jump shooter. You bring up Hughes, but there is a reason why he is gone. Even if Nocioni was a ballhog at least he also brought defense, toughness, and rebounding to whatever limited offensive skill he had. Ben Gordon is a career 43% shooter..he had a good shooting year in 2009 (45%), but what happens when his shot goes to **** and he hits only 42 or 43%? Would you think he is a top 20 SG? A Gordon + Rose backcourt does not work in the long term. Keeping Gordon would mean the ball out of Rose's hands. Would you rather have the ball in Rose's or Gordon's hands? Last second shot, maybe I would trust Gordon right now, but in 99.9% of the time I rather have the ball in Rose hand's to create.
You seem to have grandiose expectations of a sg's career shooting percentage. Gordon's career percentage is 44 and is really close or even better than players such as vince carter, allen iverson, joe johnson, ray allen, gilbert arenas, rip hamilton etc. The only big name sg players that you'd probably find a career % that is about 46% or higher would be players like Kobe and Wade. I don't know why there is a need to criticize him and his shooting and acting like the 46% this year was a fluke, when he is one of the better shooters in the league. And keep in mind that he doesn't get the benefit of a lot of calls. If wade goes to the hole and misses a layup or just flails a shot up at the rim, the whistle will blow, so the missed shot won't count, but for gordon, it's mostly a turnover/blocked shot which takes a toll on his percentage which wouldn't happen to as many of the "star players" in the league.

I can definitely acknowledge that gordon is pretty one-dimensional because he doesn't bring the "D" that we need, due to a combination of effort and height disadvantage, but you better believe, that I only need one hand to count the number of pure shooters better than BG in this league.

I don't think there will be a problem with Rose having the ball enough. The only time it seemed like that was a problem was the first month of the season, and BOTH Gordon and Hinrich were guilty of not letting Rose have the ball as much as he should have.

Noc was a good player about 3 years ago, until he became a ball-hogging non-defender flop machine. His intensity has gotten mistaken for good defense by many casual fans unfortunately. He turned into a horrible defender, but he was just tough, that's all. That didn't do anything but make the other teams mad. But Noc's ball hogging and turnstyle defense over the past 1.5 seasons did more damage than any of gordon's miscomings in his 6 year career.
Jake

Minneapolis, MN

#63 May 27, 2009
I still can't believe we hired Abe Forman, the sausage king of chicago.
ATLDre

Atlanta, GA

#64 May 27, 2009
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Tyrus Thomas also shot 45% for the season. That doesn't mean he has a good jump shot. How many times in a game does ben gordon jack up a shot that ruins the rhythm of the offense? He can't defend, can't rebound, he can't even dribble! the next team that signs him for a big contract will regret it.
Ben was a primary scorer on the Bulls and the focus of defenses for the last 4 years. Tyrus who was routinely left open, shot the same % as a guy who was doubled teamed and shot from further out. Did you really try to make a serious comparison between the two in terms of shooting %??
ATLDre

Atlanta, GA

#65 May 27, 2009
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While I understand what you are trying to say, my point is really simple. Ben Gordan is nothing more than a jump shooter. You bring up Hughes, but there is a reason why he is gone. Even if Nocioni was a ballhog at least he also brought defense, toughness, and rebounding to whatever limited offensive skill he had. Ben Gordon is a career 43% shooter..he had a good shooting year in 2009 (45%), but what happens when his shot goes to **** and he hits only 42 or 43%? Would you think he is a top 20 SG? A Gordon + Rose backcourt does not work in the long term. Keeping Gordon would mean the ball out of Rose's hands. Would you rather have the ball in Rose's or Gordon's hands? Last second shot, maybe I would trust Gordon right now, but in 99.9% of the time I rather have the ball in Rose hand's to create.
How is it Gordon's fault he gets the ball so much? Is Salmons also a ball hog? Look at the "offense" the Bulls ran before calling out BG. Ball distribution wasn't the focus of the offense like it was under Skiles. there was no motion designed in the offense. It was designed for one on one talent utilization. He was no more a ball hog than Salmons was yet Salmons is the saviour?? Did Salmons ever have a 5 assist game with the Bulls? What about a 4 assist game?
Bulls Fan

Alameda, CA

#66 May 27, 2009
ATLDre wrote:
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How is it Gordon's fault he gets the ball so much? Is Salmons also a ball hog? Look at the "offense" the Bulls ran before calling out BG. Ball distribution wasn't the focus of the offense like it was under Skiles. there was no motion designed in the offense. It was designed for one on one talent utilization. He was no more a ball hog than Salmons was yet Salmons is the saviour?? Did Salmons ever have a 5 assist game with the Bulls? What about a 4 assist game?
It not his fault he get the ball so much, it's just when the ball gets in his hands, the ball never leaves until he jacks up a shot. I never said Salmons was a savior..but at least he brings some defense to the position....
Bulls Fan

Alameda, CA

#67 May 27, 2009
Gordon shot 41.1%, 42.2%, 45.5%, 43.4%, and 45.5% in his career. I hardly doubt two good season shooting is a qualification to be a called a "pure shooter". Is Gordon a good shooter? I would say yes, but he is a streaky shooter not a pure shooter. Since Gordon does not provide any other assets such as defense, creating off the dribble, rebounding, he is not suited to be a starting SG.
Stratmaster

United States

#68 May 28, 2009
Bulls4Life wrote:
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Sigh, I'm beginning to wonder if many of you have much bball knowledge. I know you aren't seriously comparing the shooting percentages of a sg to that of a pf? Who cares if Tyrus shoots 45%, that's a poor percentage for a pf, but it's a good percentage for a sg. You do know that dunking and making post moves (not that tyrus makes many of those) result in much higher percentage shots than a "shooting" guard gets when he "shoots" from the outside?
Gordon is 10th in the league among sg's in terms of fg%, and some of the names ahead of him are wade, roy and kobe. Other players like iggy and brewer who are ahead of him are horrible shooters, but rely mostly on making layups, thus the higher percentage.
Please think before you post.
Now, gordon has tried to create his shot many times at the expense of teammates, but please don't make it seem like he is a complete disruption. If you don't think that Hughes and Nocioni were bigger ballhogs than gordon supposedly is, then you need to pay a little more attention.
So my question is how much should the 10th best shooter in the league, who can't play defense, handle the ball or rebound get paid. Think it is more than what he was already offered?
Bulls Fan

Alameda, CA

#69 May 28, 2009
Not any more than 6 or 7 million a year

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