Larger classes can't be best answer

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Mayor Smiley

Glendale, CA

#1 Mar 26, 2009
"This crisis should present an opportunity to cut the wasteful bureaucracy, the multiple levels of management, the consultant contracts."

Why do you consider the people who manage the system, keep track of the money, purchase the supplies, clean the toilets, cut the grass, and who cut the checks more bureaucratic than the teachers in the classrooms? They're all part of the same system. Much of the management is exempt from civil service rules and unions, so they have to produce or lose their jobs. It's the civil service union slugs that resist improvement and progress.

Yes, the administrators -- especially the incompetent ones -- need to be cut ... but so do incompetent teachers and other District employees.

This "administration vs teachers" routing is an old union ruse. I'm not surprised to find a union journalist using it. But it's dishonest.

This is about "the public education system vs children, parents & taxpayers." Get it right, Daily News!
something to think about

Los Angeles, CA

#2 Mar 26, 2009
Charter schools choose their students. Public schools have to take in everyone.
Bureaucratic Mess

Glendale, CA

#3 Mar 26, 2009
something to think about wrote:
Charter schools choose their students. Public schools have to take in everyone.
Then let's get rid of public schools and let parents and children choose their own schools.
something to think about

Los Angeles, CA

#4 Mar 26, 2009
Bureaucratic Mess wrote:
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Then let's get rid of public schools and let parents and children choose their own schools.
And they should also pay for them. Maybe they would pay more attention to what and how their children are doing.
Bureaucratic Mess

Glendale, CA

#5 Mar 26, 2009
something to think about wrote:
<quoted text>And they should also pay for them. Maybe they would pay more attention to what and how their children are doing.
No problem. Just cut the taxes that we pay for them right now. We pay over 12K per student per year in taxes, if I'm not mistaken. That will pay for a pretty decent private school where the administrators treat parents and kids like the customers they are rather than 3rd class citizens.
something to think about

Los Angeles, CA

#6 Mar 26, 2009
Bureaucratic Mess wrote:
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No problem. Just cut the taxes that we pay for them right now. We pay over 12K per student per year in taxes, if I'm not mistaken. That will pay for a pretty decent private school where the administrators treat parents and kids like the customers they are rather than 3rd class citizens.
We are in the same track
NO MAS

Los Angeles, CA

#7 Mar 26, 2009
Larger classes can't be best answer

Why not? As my mother always said to me: "You made your bed lie in it."
Why do the taxpayers always have to provide the $$$ answers, solve it at the bureaucratic level~at least you have jobs and get paid well for it.
Just the truth

Rancho Cordova, CA

#8 Mar 27, 2009
Larger classes create nightmares for everyone, both teacher and student alike. Parents, it's time to stand up and kick as hard as you can to stop this.
kma

Hacienda Heights, CA

#9 Mar 28, 2009
A question for the teachers: would you be willing to take a cut in pay to help get your fellow teachers back on the payroll? What means more to you - larger classrooms or your big fat paycheck?
Juan M

Los Angeles, CA

#10 Mar 29, 2009
Can someone explain why the LAUSD has to be saved? Charter Schools work. They educate our kids. Small, independent schools are the solution. Its time to dismantle the LAUSD.
Not a simpleton

Riverside, CA

#11 Mar 29, 2009
There are great charters, but there are horrendous ones too. Just as there are horrible LAUSD schools and fantastic ones as well. The perception that charters are the fix for everything comes from poor journalism which always compares the best charters against the worst urban schools.
At the end of the day, using cheap black and white polarizations, i.e. teachers vs. administrators, Beaudry vs. school sites, consultants vs. employees, or charters vs. LAUSD, Republicans vs. Democrats, helps no one.
We have to get beyond the lazy rhetoric and stop shouting sensely over each other.
Doug

Sun City, CA

#12 Mar 31, 2009
furloughs and salary cuts for teachers and support staff is better than laying people off.
Break It Up

Redondo Beach, CA

#13 Apr 1, 2009
Local Schools & Local Control - break up LAUSD and start over....
i agree

Glendora, CA

#14 Apr 1, 2009
I wish schools would follow state guidelines and not admit Illegals and perform routine Residency checks on their Legal district kids. A lot of overcrowding is due to outside kids going to schools in other districts not to mention in different countries then the ones the actually reside in.

Everyone wants better teachers better schools, well they arent just going to drop out of the sky... kids are getting dumber and dumber but it okay because it is the standard. Maybe it is easier that way, dumb it down.

Only in America are numerous class hours wasted every year by schools having to accomadate non english speakers, everything at school events are said in english then repeated in spanish... why cant people just be forced to learn english...

Only in America is a qualified teacher laid off so one that is less qualified, but speaks spanish is kept on board...

Only in America are Citizens hopes and dreams crushed, and spirits broken and it all too the norm.

Does anyone truly care about schools anymore? I feel most just look at it as a free babysitter for the day.
One teacher

Rancho Cordova, CA

#15 Apr 2, 2009
i agree wrote:
Only in America are numerous class hours wasted every year by schools having to accomadate non english speakers, everything at school events are said in english then repeated in spanish... why cant people just be forced to learn english...
Only in America is a qualified teacher laid off so one that is less qualified, but speaks spanish is kept on board...
Children under the age of about 12 will learn English by immersion. There's no need to teach them in their native language. So it makes no sense to have bilingual education. The reason our kids are not learning on the level of other countries is that their parents are not requiring them to. When parents stress the importance of education and expect their kids to do well, they do. I grew up very poor, with few resources, but my parents instilled in me that an education was valuable and completely obtainable if I put my mind to it. It has very little to do with intelligence and everything to do with encouragement and expectation. Teach the parents to prize education, and the kids will too.
Richard

San Clemente, CA

#16 Apr 2, 2009
Classes need to be reduced to a maximum of three students each. School teachers require, to reduce nervousness, a summer vacation of six months.
i agree

Glendora, CA

#17 Apr 2, 2009
maybe we should do away with summer altogther. some kids are on tracks now, that keep the kids rotating in and out, less at once.

summer was only introduced, so the kids could help their families with the crops- or so I have been told...

we have other "workers" for this now.
i agree

Glendora, CA

#18 Apr 2, 2009
One teacher wrote:
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Children under the age of about 12 will learn English by immersion. There's no need to teach them in their native language. So it makes no sense to have bilingual education. The reason our kids are not learning on the level of other countries is that their parents are not requiring them to. When parents stress the importance of education and expect their kids to do well, they do. I grew up very poor, with few resources, but my parents instilled in me that an education was valuable and completely obtainable if I put my mind to it. It has very little to do with intelligence and everything to do with encouragement and expectation. Teach the parents to prize education, and the kids will too.
Its not the kids, most of them do know english, but it isnt spoken at home and when parents gather for school things ie. back to school night, the principal gets up on the stage, says something in english, then repeats it in spanish... WHY?

i dont see how these parents can play an active role in their childs education, if the cant read or write or speak english. they cant, and that either leads to work being handed out in spanish (like it is to some of the kids in my kids class) or an overwhelming task for a teacher.

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