Bulls should throw Joakim Noah overboard

Bulls should throw Joakim Noah overboard

There are 205 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jan 4, 2009, titled Bulls should throw Joakim Noah overboard. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The one Bull who can least afford to be making waves was at it again last week, splashing around, rocking the boat and doing everything but cannonballs in the murky waters of the red, white and black sea.

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chris

Los Angeles, CA

#1 Jan 4, 2009
Noah's the only one, besides Noc, with any fire on this team. So it's not surprising they got into it. In fact, we have so little fire on this squad that even the slightest hint of smoke feels like the whole building's about to burn down. Which results in overreacions like this article. I mean come on. You need fire. You like fire. But fire never feels right on a losing squad and so it becomes an easy target.

Noah is no worse than 3/4 of the guys on this team. They all s**k. And that failure points to one person. Guess who it is. It's not Noah. I'll give you a hint. He general manages the team.
jhill

United States

#2 Jan 4, 2009
why are the sportswriters always ready to dump players when they don;t seem to mesh with poor coaches that have no ability to devise a defensive or offensive scheme. players don't look like high schoolers because they have no clue how to play the game. they look that way because the system they are asked to play stinks.
at the beginning of the season, del negro's excuse for poor defense was the fact that he had so many players out, he couldn't install a system in the preseason. as the season has progressed, his uneven rotations and lack of a defensive system has players running all over the court, making switches at the wrong times and playing in a totally incohesive manner. in terms of nocioni, how many times do you see him switch to double team only to see the man he was covering score with a layup? he hustles but makes many unnecessary turnovers and commits
stupid fouls. his play is as inconsistent as noah's but he is not pulled from the game every time he makes a mistake, as are noah, thomas and sefalosha. ben gordon plays no defense, makes the poorest decisions and is selfish with the basketball, but because he keeps his scoring average up, his mistakes are totally overlooked. the truth is, the bulls will never win with ben gordon starting at shooting guard. a decent coach would recognize this.
Arif

Plainfield, IL

#3 Jan 4, 2009
I've always been against the drafting of Noah but I'm not sure what Paxson saw in him which the rest of us didn't. I'm tired of NBA general managers drafting the so called, "energy guys," they always turn out to be players with no talent. Well, I guess we've come accustomed to a GM who is awful at evaluating talent and simply can't work out a trade to save his life.
Dan

Hanover Park, IL

#4 Jan 4, 2009
Nocioni's an awful defender. He's too slow to guard 3's, and too small to guard 4's. He can give all the "effort" he wants, but he's still a terrible defender.
to dan

United States

#6 Jan 4, 2009
This article is about noah, a bum who averages 4 points a game and runs his mouth, not nocioni! I bet if you asks the general managers in the league which player they would rather have it would be Nocioni hands down! Noc would be an ideal off the bench scorer, he can come in and hit a few quick shots and ignite a team. The problem with the bulls is they have so little talent they are using nocioni more than he should be used.
Ron Munry

Glendale, AZ

#7 Jan 4, 2009
I have said it since last year, Noah gotta goah! this guy is a cry baby and a cancer to this team. Without Hinrich,Gooden and Deng you are going to struggle.
Somebody has to step up and take over weather its Rose or someone else. No freaking way do you lose to Minnesota at home
give me a break.
Get a clue Pax you drafted him now get rid of him before the holes too deep.
Sean

Orland Park, IL

#8 Jan 4, 2009
Sorry, but watch the games. This team is significantly better with Thomas or Noah on the floor than with Aaron Gray. Yet Gray gets the bulk of the minutes? He's slow, doesn't box out, has awful hands, refuses to dunk and has no touch. I'm no fan of Thomas or Noah, I think they both are backups at best. But Gray is worse. And in the end, that's what this should come down to: what players make the team better. And, for that matter, who is brought in if you get rid of some of these guys?
Gary R

Westminster, CA

#9 Jan 4, 2009
Rick- I could not agree with you more on your assessment of Noah but I think you are missing the real culprit of this debacle of a Bulls team. I think the fingers need to point to John Paxson - who I have always respected - but his decision making as GM leaves a lot to be desired. In addition to being the one who drafted Noah, his track record is littered with mistakes and poor choices (not taking Brandon Roy, for instance or even Aldridge) - wasting another high pick on Noah , going long term with Heinrich, not trading Deng for Kobe Bryant (ok, it is not clear this would have ever happened). But the media is giving Pax a total pass when the collection of misfits (not individually but collectively) that comprise the Bulls roster is virtually all of his doing. Perhaps some of the negativity that is directed at Jerry Angelo, Brian Urlacher and co. should be pointed at Pax.
Mark

Aurora, IL

#10 Jan 4, 2009
So, I went to my first Bulls game this season on Saturday, and let me just say, this article is exactly right. Noah has a lot of energy, but the guy can not play. He doesn't know how to shoot. Everyone where I was sitting was saying the same thing and they agree that he has to go.
Scott

Chicago, IL

#11 Jan 4, 2009
Noah, is good. He really is good. This article is so blind, and the fans that dog Noah are also blind.

Noah is a great role player. He is not MJ he is not Pippen, he is not a scorer. He is more like Rodman, Wallace, or another energy player. 5.9 rebounds in 18 minutes is more than solid. That is actually a strong statistic. A full game and he would be close to averaging a double double.

Get real. At least one player wants to call out his teammates and look for continuity, loyalty and effort. I could give a crap if he played 1 minute in the NBA or 1000 minutes. He is exactly right to call out his teammates in the past. Please do not use Skiles criticism as a bash against Noah. We all know the fate of Skiles.

Noah does hustle, and it is not his pony tail. If he was as horrible as you think, the Gators would not of had him as a center piece of their national championship team.

Please find someone more worthy of criticism in the future. Noah wants to win, and that is the most important element any player could ever possess.
Larry

Olympia Fields, IL

#12 Jan 4, 2009
Wonder why Morrisey only picks out Noah?? Yes Noah needs to go, matter of fact if we had a smart GM Noah wouldn't even be on this team. If Morrisey thinks Noah is the main problem that this Bulls team has, Morrisey is nuts!!.
Larry

Olympia Fields, IL

#13 Jan 4, 2009
your nuts!!
Scott wrote:
Noah, is good. He really is good. This article is so blind, and the fans that dog Noah are also blind.
Noah is a great role player. He is not MJ he is not Pippen, he is not a scorer. He is more like Rodman, Wallace, or another energy player. 5.9 rebounds in 18 minutes is more than solid. That is actually a strong statistic. A full game and he would be close to averaging a double double.
Get real. At least one player wants to call out his teammates and look for continuity, loyalty and effort. I could give a crap if he played 1 minute in the NBA or 1000 minutes. He is exactly right to call out his teammates in the past. Please do not use Skiles criticism as a bash against Noah. We all know the fate of Skiles.
Noah does hustle, and it is not his pony tail. If he was as horrible as you think, the Gators would not of had him as a center piece of their national championship team.
Please find someone more worthy of criticism in the future. Noah wants to win, and that is the most important element any player could ever possess.
kenny

Auburn, WA

#14 Jan 4, 2009
should have drafted Spencer hawes.
Larry

Olympia Fields, IL

#15 Jan 4, 2009
I agree with you Sean, Gray should never be on the floor he can't guard me and for a guy his size to not be able to rebound is unbelievable.
Sean wrote:
Sorry, but watch the games. This team is significantly better with Thomas or Noah on the floor than with Aaron Gray. Yet Gray gets the bulk of the minutes? He's slow, doesn't box out, has awful hands, refuses to dunk and has no touch. I'm no fan of Thomas or Noah, I think they both are backups at best. But Gray is worse. And in the end, that's what this should come down to: what players make the team better. And, for that matter, who is brought in if you get rid of some of these guys?
Gilligan on the Island

Carencro, LA

#16 Jan 4, 2009
Let me start by saying that I have not ALWAYS been critical of Noah, I always felt he was one of those good college players that wouldn't translate to the NBA. That being said, after he was drafted I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt --- until his metdown with the coach. But when his suspension was extended by his teammates I gave him another chance. But most of the leeway I gave to him went down in flames after he pulled the boneheaded move of getting busted for his public display of stupidity down at UF. Paxson didn't have something on this guy's mental capacity during draft night? Anyway, my belief is that Joakim will NEVER be worth the headache! Not only that, but Pax should've known about this guy's fragile psyche and evasive talent. Give "...Kim" a one way ticket (with his choice of destination) and while he's at it, he can take Paxson with him.
Nada Surf

B M Goldwater A F Range, AZ

#17 Jan 4, 2009
That's real smart, Morrissey; dump a first-rounder in his second season and one that shows some hustle once in a while, unlike 80 percent of the rest of the team...
Of all the idiots to pick on, why pick on Noah?
Larry Hughes-less gives columnists an endless supply of negativity to fill newspaper space.
Ben Gordon is an abysmal team player who insists on starting.
Noah is far from the problem with this club.
roldy

Seattle, WA

#18 Jan 4, 2009
I'm with Surf, let's not get rid of a first round lotto pick still on his rookie deal. I know this org can't develop players, but it's too soon to give up on noah.

How about we focus on a bigger issue, the 70 mil dollar man - Deng. Someone find out why we invested in such a fragile player with bad hands.
chris

Los Angeles, CA

#19 Jan 5, 2009
It's an important question. Despite 90% of Bulls fans agreeing that Pax is a bad GM, there hasn't been a single article in the Trib or Sun-Times that Pax should be released. I'm disappointed that you, as journalists, have tainted the reputation of your profession by choosing to have a pal in Paxson rather than calling him out. Explain to men what journalistic integrity means again?
John Anthony

United States

#20 Jan 5, 2009
I'm shocked Noah was even drafted...maybe one day Paxson will figure out how to scout talent...it's glaringly obvious he hasn't learned to do that yet...A. Gray, T. Thomas, J. Noah, T. Sefolosha, etc...4 bums who have done nothing...and someone please tell Thabo it's a basketball, not a shot-put...I can't believe this guy hasn't learned how to shoot...you'd figure all the time has spends on the bench watching he might get a clue...but he has his money, what does he care...
Fact Checker

Palatine, IL

#21 Jan 5, 2009
Drafting big men for the NBA at ages 20 or 21 is a high risk, high reward proposition. Taking chances is understandable; not cutting the losses when they fail is not.

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