Unique Gordon raises many questions

Unique Gordon raises many questions

There are 15 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Nov 2, 2007, titled Unique Gordon raises many questions. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

When I think of Ben Gordon, I think of a line from old comedian Henny Youngman about women: Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em. So it seems with Gordon, who shoots the Bulls back into games, as he did ...

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Marc

United States

#1 Nov 2, 2007
I've said it before and I'll say it again...this Bulls roster, as is, won't be doing anything other than just making meaningless playoff appearances at best...if you're thinkin rings and championships, think again...ain't gonna happen...Bulls fans need to realize this...get Kobe here...move Gordon, move whoever else you have too...get it done...get someone who can command a double team...get someone who can postup at will...get a star, not 2 good players...anyone who thinks this Bulls team is going to the Finals is in for a big surprise...
Dillon

Suitland, MD

#2 Nov 3, 2007
I agree the Bulls do need to make a move to get Kobe and I do agree that Gordan is a tough player to figure out. But let me get this straight, we're going to trade a 24 year old player who's scoring average has increased every year he's been in the league and who may average 24 pts a game this year and a 21 year old(Thomas) who's just scratching the surface but we think Kirk Hinrich and Ben Wallace are untouchable?? One can't score and the other can't stay out of foul trouble! Make the trade but trade the right players!
Patrick

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#3 Nov 3, 2007
Dillon wrote:
I agree the Bulls do need to make a move to get Kobe and I do agree that Gordan is a tough player to figure out. But let me get this straight, we're going to trade a 24 year old player who's scoring average has increased every year he's been in the league and who may average 24 pts a game this year and a 21 year old(Thomas) who's just scratching the surface but we think Kirk Hinrich and Ben Wallace are untouchable?? One can't score and the other can't stay out of foul trouble! Make the trade but trade the right players!
The Bulls do not think Hinrich and Wallace are untouchable...it's the opposite. No one wants them and why should they? In order to get the best player in the league we have to give up our best players. No one in the league is salivating about taking on a useless, aging, under-sized and extremely overpaid center who misses his mommy in Detroit plus a point guard who can't stay on the floor, inconsistent offensively and is a 2nd tier talent.

Unfortunatly for Bull's fans most GM's in this league are a lot smarter than Paxson. Maybe Isiah would take them.
Matt M

Trumbull, CT

#4 Nov 3, 2007
The constant bashing of Gordon in the Chicago media amazes me. When the Bulls drafted him did they think they were getting a defensive stopper?? Take him out of the lineup and see how the Bulls do. They would drop to the bottom of the league. He gets turnovers because teams have to double team him. One on One do you think anyone can stop him? Enjoy him Chicago, they way he is treated, he can't wait to leave.
Melanie

Buffalo Grove, IL

#5 Nov 3, 2007
I'm very disappointed in Luol and Ben because it tells me that the real bottom line is "greed". They were offered a whole lot of money, certainly enough for them to feel respected. I was sure they cared about Chicago and staying in Chicago, and now I know that they do not. While the trade talks and such are no longer a distraction for them, they are for me because watching them play, I find myself thinking, "and you think you're that good?"

As far as Wallace, we didn't get our money's worth, in my opinion.

As far as Kobe, let him go elsewhere. We want team players.

I want people who love the game, who love Chicago and who are willing to go to the mat to bring Chicago a championship and who appreciate the fact that they are already getting big bucks to do so.

I know this comment may offend them, but I hope they realize that when we're talking about "team", the "team" includes the fans. To wit, remember "through thick and thin?"
Anavlas

United States

#6 Nov 3, 2007
"There's no way the Bulls come back in as many games as they do without Gordon's shooting"

If Gordon really were anywhere near MJ or even KB level, why would the Bulls always have to come back in the first place?
Patrick

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#7 Nov 3, 2007
Matt M wrote:
The constant bashing of Gordon in the Chicago media amazes me. When the Bulls drafted him did they think they were getting a defensive stopper?? Take him out of the lineup and see how the Bulls do. They would drop to the bottom of the league. He gets turnovers because teams have to double team him. One on One do you think anyone can stop him? Enjoy him Chicago, they way he is treated, he can't wait to leave.
Ben Gordon being double-teamed? That's a good one. I don't think we expected a defensive stopper but I didn't think we were getting a matador either. Obviously you are a bit biased being a UCONN fan which is understandable.

The key thing about the scoring in the NBA is when you score. Putting up 18 first half points is great only if you can also be there when your team needs you. If you are on the bench because you're a liability defensively or you don't like shooting in crunch time then you are not worth much in the NBA.

Ben is just another in an increasing long line of John Paxson mistakes. Good luck getting your money Benny it seems to be very important to you. Chicago won't miss you a bit.

Since: Oct 07

Harvey, IL

#8 Nov 3, 2007
Patrick wrote:
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Ben is just another in an increasing long line of John Paxson mistakes. Good luck getting your money Benny it seems to be very important to you. Chicago won't miss you a bit.
I don't think Gordon was a mistake, I think he was a player with a big upside, but obviously a question mark in just how good. He's had time to grow into the system and the position, but he just hasn't yet. I don't know if it's because he thinks he's better than he actually is or what, but he clearly needs to improve in some areas. He does have the ability to score at will, but at other times, he's completely cold and just keeps shooting instead of running the offense.

I don't think that Gordon is worth the contract that he's asking for and if he thinks he is, then he needs to prove it on the floor. He is turnover prone and apparition on defense. Couple that with trade and contract talks and you have a head case on the court. He just needs to focus and settle in. This is it. The season has begun and he's still in preseason mode in terms of playing and discussions.

Deng will sign. Kobe is out for right now and and that's fine with me. The team just needs to play and quit worrying about who's going where.
Patrick

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#9 Nov 3, 2007
boonasty51 wrote:
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I don't think Gordon was a mistake, I think he was a player with a big upside, but obviously a question mark in just how good. He's had time to grow into the system and the position, but he just hasn't yet. I don't know if it's because he thinks he's better than he actually is or what, but he clearly needs to improve in some areas. He does have the ability to score at will, but at other times, he's completely cold and just keeps shooting instead of running the offense.
I don't think that Gordon is worth the contract that he's asking for and if he thinks he is, then he needs to prove it on the floor. He is turnover prone and apparition on defense. Couple that with trade and contract talks and you have a head case on the court. He just needs to focus and settle in. This is it. The season has begun and he's still in preseason mode in terms of playing and discussions.
Deng will sign. Kobe is out for right now and and that's fine with me. The team just needs to play and quit worrying about who's going where.
Yes a "mistake" was a bit too harsh. The problem with Ben is that he will never be taller. He's about 6' 1" feet regardless of what anyone says. That is a huge problem and other GM's see that as Sam pointed out in the article. If your gonna be short, ballhandling should be a strength...it's obviously not. So many holes in his game and he doesn't seem to be improving significantly in any of the them.
Dillon

Suitland, MD

#10 Nov 3, 2007
Patrick wrote:
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Yes a "mistake" was a bit too harsh. The problem with Ben is that he will never be taller. He's about 6' 1" feet regardless of what anyone says. That is a huge problem and other GM's see that as Sam pointed out in the article. If your gonna be short, ballhandling should be a strength...it's obviously not. So many holes in his game and he doesn't seem to be improving significantly in any of the them.
Yeah there's no way Gordon was a mistake considering he's been in the playoffs every year he's been in the league and was the leading scorer of that team. I'm sorry Gordon isn't 6"6 but he is who he is. But seriously what's the difference in his game and say Gilbert Arenas or Michael Redd's? None of them can play defense but both are looked at as stars deserving of their contracts so I don't think he's asking for too much doe. Besides the problem with the Bulls isn't him it's our point guard. Hinrich is a Combo guard not a playmaking point guard. Matter fact I'm starting to wonder how good his defense really is ( How many points did Andre Miller score on him last night)?
Matt M

Trumbull, CT

#11 Nov 3, 2007
Before Ben Gordon the Bulls were the laughingstock of the league. Now look how spoiled the fans are. My only point, was , and is...why continue to rip your best player ALL DAY EVERY DAY...Ben Wallace gets ONE Point, 4 Boards...where's this performance called out? Hinrich has played terrible in the first two games, media loves him..
Wildbill from Ohio

Dayton, OH

#12 Nov 3, 2007
It's the same old Bulls this year. Play to stay under 90 points and pray someone gets hot. It's getting pretty old, and we're only into game 2.
And...why open this Kobe Bryant can of worms and leave it open into the season. It should have been closed a week ago. Now there are alot of hurt feelings and people looking to go elsewhere. Last night's game is a fine example.
As to Kobe. Why come to Chicago and have Scott Stiles get your PPG down to 15.6. Stiles over manages and under manages at other times. The players are just as confused as we the fans. Every game is a new adventure.
Patrick

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#13 Nov 3, 2007
Matt M wrote:
Before Ben Gordon the Bulls were the laughingstock of the league. Now look how spoiled the fans are. My only point, was , and is...why continue to rip your best player ALL DAY EVERY DAY...Ben Wallace gets ONE Point, 4 Boards...where's this performance called out? Hinrich has played terrible in the first two games, media loves him..
I am as perplexed with the notion that Hinrich is a top guard as anyone. I think Gordon gets flak for showing little emotion on the court while Hinrich complains about calls and gets angry. Fans love that. Plus he's white that doesn't hurt him either. I think people have higher expectations for Gordon because he is a scorer. Hinrich can get away with bad games easier than Ben. Hinrich will be exposed for the marginal player he is; it'll just take little longer.
John LA

Santa Monica, CA

#14 Nov 3, 2007
Heinrick was born to be a backup. Duhon is the team's best point. Move little Ben to the bench for instant offense, and make Deng your two guard.
Marc

United States

#15 Nov 4, 2007
The main problem is the coaching. Gordon is a great spot up shooter, who would benefit from players with cutting and post up games(paxon and jordan). He is not a point guard. Heinrick is average, not a star, an Deng has great potential, but hasn't proven himself yet. Ben Wallace should be allowed to focus on what he is good at, rebounding and defense, not the offensive player, they attempted to make him last year. Let them do the things they are good at, an not have them play roles/positions they can't do.

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