Cavs in talks as trade deadline nears

Cavs in talks as trade deadline nears

There are 57 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from Feb 18, 2008, titled Cavs in talks as trade deadline nears. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

INDEPENDENCE: All the Cavaliers were present and accounted for Monday as they reunited following the All-Star break.

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cave man

United States

#26 Feb 19, 2008
jaret jack kyle lowry,, should be able to get one or the other cheap and still have our flexability to sign m redd at end of the year..pull the trigger danny
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Steve from Arizona

Mesa, AZ

#27 Feb 19, 2008
Every team adds a new face. Miami added Alonzo Mourning and won a championship.Look at all the Weatern teams and even San Antonio added on to a championship team a point guard without giving up no one. Anybody who compare Daniel Gibson to even an older Mike Bibby has not followed Bibby's career. Gibson is a better and younger dammon Jones.Anybody that knows anything about basketball knows you cannot teach the natural instincts of a TRUE point guard. Just watch Atlanta now with Bibby and Joe Johnson at guards. NO Trades or signings this year.When I call my buddy in Cleveland and talk trades they are more serious than what Ferry does all day. ferry still reminds me of the worst all time trade in History. Remember Ron harper.

Steve
cave man

United States

#29 Feb 19, 2008
just be happy we didnt sell the house like dallas did to get a 1 maybe 2 year shot at a title. I dont think they make it anywway. all them players and 2 first round draft picks. waist of talent for an old wife beater point guard who is still good but not great..
DCunningham

Walnut Creek, OH

#31 Feb 19, 2008
Just a thought, why are we chasing point guards when we do not have a legit big man. No offend to Z I am impressed with his efforts to give Coach Brown the inside post game he asked him for last year. But of all the other big men on the team. None other than Lebron play above the rim. Danny Ferry needs get us a big man he can not beat in the low post. Lebron has forced move illegal defense calls than any other player in the league. Our guards need to hit more shots I agree but there would be less pressure on them if we had more of an inside outside threat. And there is a difference in a American big man and a European big man. I look forward to the draft.
Just My Humble Opinon.
RPB

Pittsburgh, PA

#32 Feb 19, 2008
cave man wrote:
jaret jack kyle lowry,, should be able to get one or the other cheap and still have our flexability to sign m redd at end of the year..pull the trigger danny
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Do Jack or Lowry really make the Cavs better? Is Redd a free-agent?

Come on people! Get with it! You are all living in fantasyland at this point. I know all of you make trades the last day it is allowed in your fantasy leagues just because it is fun. But in the real world, trades for guys like Jack, Lowry, etc. can cripple a team for 2-3 years. Remember Jiri Welch?

Sit tight! Oh and by the way cave man, Kidd is not a wife beater, his wife beat him.
RPB

Pittsburgh, PA

#33 Feb 19, 2008
Steve from Arizona wrote:
I am still waiting for the Bibby screw up story. Am I the only one angry about this? Ferry has made no moves in two years. This is unheard of. Lebron is their best point guard. Name one team in the NBA who does not have a true point guard which is a key position.Most have two. Brown should be coach of the year for winning without a point guard. Ferry must be good to Brian and the rest of the press.
Steve
Let me get this straight, because Ferry has made no moves in two years, he is a bad GM? Drafting Gibson in the 2nd round was a bad move I guess. NOT making a stupid, panic fueled move like you all are asking for also was the wrong thing to do. How about not over-paying for AV and Sasha?

Steve, think about this...maybe the fact that Ferry hasn't made a move in the last two years is a result of him being a GOOD GM. This is really hard for many of you to understand, but the Hawks didn't trade NOTHING to get Mike Bibby. They traded something that the Cavs currently don't have (but will next year), expiring contracts! In fantasyland it looks like they stole Bibby, much like it appeared that the Lakers stole Gasol. But in the NBA expiring contracts are as important to some teams as talent.

Some day you all will catch on, maybe.

Oh and as I've already said, the true point guard thing is getting old!
Will

Salem, OH

#34 Feb 19, 2008
Here's a thought on how the trade talks went.

Ferry, "Can we have Jason Kidd?"
Nets, "Sure, for Varejao, Gooden, Gibson and one piece of garbage guy"
Ferry, "Sorry, that would be trading away anyone of any value except my center"
Nets, "OK, Bye"

Ferry, "Can we have Mike Bibby?"
Sac-Town, "Sure, for Varejao, Gooden, Gibson and one piece of garbage guy"Ferry, "Sorry, that would be trading away anyone of any value except my center"
Sac-town, "OK, Bye"

Get the drift OMG and the rest of the crew?
Who would trade that core? Think about it.
Oh, and the same goes for Shapiro Elrod. I guarantee you that EVERYONE asked for Cabrera in a trade...

You forgot the 2 1st rd draft picks they would want for Kidd... We already have are point guard.Now why ain't he starting I have no clue..
terje

Whitehall, MT

#35 Feb 19, 2008
with the exception of the mysterious and illogical pau gasol trade (hmmm, did jerry west have something to do with that trade??? i wonder?) the cavs had no chance at the other guys. the cavs have absolutely no trade leverage. that is the facts. as soon as the dumba$$ess like omg get it through their heads.....oh wait.....they won't ever figure that out. northeast ohio mouthbreathers are incapable of learning anything.
Nick

Durham, NC

#36 Feb 19, 2008
They better do something, or it'll be just another missed oppurtunity! Like always ferry can't make a deal! Plus they need to be starting gibson espeacialy if they don't trade for a point guard!!!!!!!!!!

“Serenity Now!”

Since: May 07

York Township, OH

#37 Feb 19, 2008
This story was a complete waste of ink for the Beacon. Nothing is going to happen because Danny Ferry is still hibernating in his office. The alarm clock is blaring over and over, people are banging on his door trying to wake him, but there he is -- asleep on his desk, with a puddle of drool next to his face.

I guess he figured ruining this franchise once wasn't enough.

The real one to blame is Gilbert though. He's the one standing around watching this all happen (or not happen). I thought he was willing to pay a luxury tax....? Whatever happened to that?

“Serenity Now!”

Since: May 07

York Township, OH

#40 Feb 19, 2008
Old Man Grump wrote:
<quoted text>.....Cavs need a real point guard and Miller can be had for 1st round, Gooden, and Gibson which I would do to win a championship this season.
I want Miller, but I think that's too much to give up for him. You gotta keep Gibson.....he's the only real consistent threat that you have from the outside. I'd also like to keep the #1 for next year so we can draft a big man to groom behind Z for the next couple years.

I'd go with any combination of the following: Gooden, Hughes, Shannon Brown, and/or Newble.
Akron Al

United States

#41 Feb 19, 2008
Steve from Arizona wrote:
I am still waiting for the Bibby screw up story. Am I the only one angry about this? Ferry has made no moves in two years. This is unheard of. Lebron is their best point guard. Name one team in the NBA who does not have a true point guard which is a key position.Most have two. Brown should be coach of the year for winning without a point guard. Ferry must be good to Brian and the rest of the press.
Steve
You don't need a true point guard to win a championship with a player like Lebron, who handles the ball so much. The Lakers don't play with a true point guard, and Phil Jackson has won nine championships using BJ Armstrong, Steve Kerr, and Ron Harper - none of whom are true points.
Steve from Arizona

Mesa, AZ

#42 Feb 19, 2008
RPB From Pittsburgh? How did this clown get on here.Do they even have basketball hoops in Pittsburgh.In your great analysis of Dan Ferry's record you forgot to mention the great first round choice of Shannon Brown,The injury prone Larry Hughes(I love Larry otherwise but he cannot stay healthy and he will be out again when we need him this year) and letting Flip Murray get away.What has he done to help our team?Without Lebron Fery has left Brown hanging as we know from their 0 and 6 record without him.Boston wins games without Garnet. Please Pittsburgh Boy get off the posts, you are embarrassing the rest of us true Cavs fans.

Steve
Akron Al

United States

#43 Feb 19, 2008
Elrod wrote:
Garnett and Allen to Boston.
Gasol to the Lakers.
Kidd to Dallas.
Bibby to Hawks.
1. Did anyone believe these were possible before they happened?
2. Did they make these teams better?
For whatever reason we have 2 GM's in Cleveland afraid to pull the trigger or make a move; Ferry and Shapiro.
Shapiro is a tremendous developer of talent but has no ability to make a deal (recently) or sign a free agent.
Ferry has shown 0 ability to do anything except watch Duke on television.
You'd have to show me Ferry had any chance of getting those players for me to fault him with it. Garnett was traded for Al Jefferson - where is the young 20/10 player on our roster? Gasol and Bibby were acquired purely for expiring contracts - neither the Kings or Grizzlies really took players back - and the Cavs don't have enough in expiring contracts to get such players. Allen was dumped for a lottery pick. The Cavs didn't have one of those, either. The Mavs got Kidd for a stud young point guard and a boatload of expiring contracts, and in my opinion, the Mavs overpaid for him. Let's say the Cavs could have traded for Kidd - it likely wold have taken Gooden, Gibson, Snow, and Newble to make the contracts fit (and why on earth would they take Snow, and they certainly don't want Hughes if they are dumping salaries)- what would we have left, but a depleted bench and a starting backcourt that shoots .375 - as bad as Hughes has been most of this year, he's shot for a higher percentage that Kidd has, which says a lot. Does Kidd have great chemistry with Lebron - yeah, that's obvious from both the All-Star game and the Olympic qualifier last summer - and that goes a long way. But I'm not convinced the Cavs are automatically better off.

Don't get me wrong, it would have been exciting to have a big trade, but all of them were next to impossible for the Cavs to pull off.
LBJ 23FAN

Hollywood, FL

#44 Feb 19, 2008
CAVA'S 2008 NBA CHAMP
LBJ ALL * MVP
BOOBY ALL * R/S MVP
we got at all
stowbillybob

Shreve, OH

#45 Feb 19, 2008
hey - who cares about what the cavs or any professional sports team in cleveland does? the rich owners only want you to buy their tickets and team sports junk. what makes you, the sports fan, think anyone cares about what you think?
RPB

Mckees Rocks, PA

#46 Feb 19, 2008
Alright Steve from AZ, since you want to go that route...

I have not seen one intelligent post from you yet. You rip Ferry left and right, asking for apologies for not getting Mike Bibby?

Come on dude, I simply questioned your calling Ferry a bad GM. I didn't say he was perfect, I only pointed out his good moves, along with the idea that his inactivity lately may be a good thing!

Let me ask you this, since you are a "true" Cavs fan...How did you react the day the Cavs signed Hughes? How would you have reacted if Ferry had done nothing then? Do you agree that Ferry had to sign someone (he couldn't give Allen or Redd enough money under the NBA's rules and paid Hughes the market value) or Lebron and you would have viewed that as a sign that the Cavs weren't committed to winning?

It's funny how you and everyone else are freakin experts on being a GM after the fact. The Cavs are actually poised to have a very big off-season with all the salaries that will expire next year, if Ferry does nothing then, I'll agree with you. But to criticize him now, over Mike freakin Bibby? Close your mouth and try breathing through your nose once.

By the way, I'm not from Pittsburgh, I live here because I can make enough money doing what I do to buy 3 of you, and as for being a true Cavs fan...I question how true a fan you are since you do nothing but criticize and whine, how much have you suffered through the years? You obviously don't appreciate where they are, and what they have accomplished lately!
Scottie

Brooklyn, NY

#47 Feb 19, 2008
i think the cavs should try to get andre and mike miller because they are good players and lebron could use them both so it can be easier for him to score and to win cause them he dosent have to do everything all the time.
Aaron from OHIO

Milwaukee, WI

#48 Feb 19, 2008
Steve from Arizona wrote:
RPB From Pittsburgh? How did this clown get on here.Do they even have basketball hoops in Pittsburgh.In your great analysis of Dan Ferry's record you forgot to mention the great first round choice of Shannon Brown,The injury prone Larry Hughes(I love Larry otherwise but he cannot stay healthy and he will be out again when we need him this year) and letting Flip Murray get away.What has he done to help our team?Without Lebron Fery has left Brown hanging as we know from their 0 and 6 record without him.Boston wins games without Garnet. Please Pittsburgh Boy get off the posts, you are embarrassing the rest of us true Cavs fans.
Steve
Letting Flip Murry get away?! Have you followed his career since he left?! And you rip Ferry for signing Hughes while claiming to love him? Do you have any counteranalysis to offer OTHER than the name calling? And since when does some bandwagon fan from Arizona think his best line of trash talk is to rip where someone lives? You're 3,000 miles away, dude. Come up with some better material if you want to pipe off on this board. Bottom line, Ferry is not a great GM, but the Cavs he inherited just don't have the pieces to pull off all of the megadeals that have happened lately. And even if they did, Ferry would have been a fool to give up Gibson in a deal. He's a lot more than a young version of Damon Jones. As RPB pointed out, the Cavs will be in terrific shape come this offseason and next season, when they will have 20+ million in expiring contracts to offer. If you aren't able to appreciate that, you need to learn how trades work in the NBA and start paying attention. Let's hold off until next year when deciding whether or not Ferry is a failure. Mark my words -- a year from now the roster will look very different.
oscar

Maple Heights, OH

#49 Feb 19, 2008
Are you people that are demanding a trade idiots??? I don't think that you have a clue as to how the team now was put together, with Labron's blessing and direction. I also don't believe that you have any idea as to financials and long term planning. My goodness, why don't you all call the champion of idiots, Kenny Rhoda, and rip apart, whine and cry about how bad life is!

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