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#61 Jul 18, 2008
buddy its 80-36mill that is 44mil which gives us 14 under the cap and if the cap gets bigger next year we could get an max deal pretty much for sure. or if not a max deal 2 mid leavel deals which what rod Ar. is looking for.
#62 Jul 18, 2008
Coming off the books after the 08-09 Season are:
Wally (13.7 mil)
D. Jones (4.5 mil)
E. Snow (7.3 mil)
Verajo (5.7 mil)
Joe Smith (4.7 mil)
We're looking at having about 35.9
verajo no's he is out the cavs already tired to trade him. and after Deb or nov the cavs can trade his butt and there is nothing he can do about it. some team will want him..
as for Z he might do a deal like that wanting to win a NBN Champ. but I dont see it. so at worst the cavs have 14 mil cap next year. Ron Artest will be out and looking for about 8 mil. which if the cavs could get him it would be GREAT. and still gives us 6 mil to get a PF to replace Joe and anddy
#63 Jul 18, 2008
I'm not going over it again...
I dont know what else to say other than the cavs will be at about 54 mill next year.
Now if Anderson opts out of his player option we will be around 48 mill...
That would give us around 11 mill to go after somebody.
BUT like I said before Anderson has to opt out. If he has another poor year this year... Like last year (filled with injuries etc.) He will probably not Opt out. And that will leave us at 54 mill next year.
If you cant understand this... Well i dont know what to say. Other than look it up for yourself... If you can.
#64 Jul 18, 2008
Actually... You know what.
I'm Wrong. Darn.. Its actually worse than that.
I forgot about the new Gibson deal.
What is that anyway like 5 mill a year.
So lets say its 5 mill that year. That is not currently counted on the 54 mill we will be at...
Dang it.. Dang it.. Dang it.
That really hurts us.
So even if Anderson opts out of his player option next year that will take us down to 48 mill but when you add on Gibsons new deal that takes us back up to around 53 mill (if in fact it was a 5 mill a year deal).
So bottom line is this.
That hurts my plan on the past page. But... If we do get Z to opt out and re-sign, get anderson to opt out we will not be around 42 mill give or take... When you count in Gibsons new deal that is...
So that leaves us around 16-17 mill to offer someone. That is enough though. Not as good as I wanted... But its pretty good. The key is to get Z and Anderson to opt out.
So my plan can still work... But dang it to heck.
Sorry guys. I do admit when im wrong... I totally forgot about the new gibson deal.
But anyway. That just makes you even more wrong ZAck... Sorry
#65 Jul 18, 2008
meant we will NOW be at 42 mill.
Not, we will NOT be at 42 mill.
I have a habit of not proof reading...
Have a good night everybody.
#66 Jul 18, 2008
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#67 Jul 18, 2008
Ask Z to opt out and leave 10.5 mil on the table? He did us a favor by signing for less the second time around, and they already tried a back door deal once. Zack is right that we will have 35-36 mil coming off the cap next summer alone, so do the math King James, we'll have plenty of money next summer, not to mention the luxury tax threshold is at 71 mil, and we can still spend up to that...
It's nice to know that your big plan as GM would be to beg Z to walk away from 10-11 million dollars so that we could lower his salary to 3 or 4 million while signing someone else....
that's a GREAT idea, why don't more teams try to low ball their players? We could ALL learn from you.
35 mil off the cap next summer will provide a lot of room, not to mention sign and trade possibilities etc.
I love that you think people you don't know and have never met will wilt away in the corner...
hopefully we meet one day, face to face, so you can watch me NOT wilt away into a corner.
#68 Jul 18, 2008
Look it up man... Here it is...
If you have troube reading it let me know..
Oh, and you must have trouble reading.
I didnt say to ask Z to walk away from (oh by the way its more like 11.5 mill), what I said was see if the cavs could convince him that they will re-sign him back at that deal...
Like I said.. It might be unlikely but if Ferry has a good relationship with Z, and he trusts them they might be able to pull it off.
Z would lose nothing...
I cant believe how sad you guys are...
Just look the Dam thing up... Its not real hard.
The cavs will be at 54 mill next year. That is without the new gibson deal. Man O man. Is it that hard for you to look up.
Cant like 3rd graders look this stuff up?
#69 Jul 18, 2008
Just do me a favor.
After you guys pull this site up and realize just how wrong you are...
Please... Just a simple apology will do.
I'm not asking for much.
Oh, and for the last time... Hopefully anyway.
Just in case you guys cant read a simple chart.
Cavs will be at 54 mill next year and they have Gibson at $0 now.
If gibsons deal is the reported 5 mill that will bring our cap to around 59 mill.
So, even if Anderson opts out that will leave us around 53 mill. Just 5 or 6 mill under the cap.
#70 Jul 19, 2008
and we sill have to get West which will be another 5 mil deal.
#71 Jul 19, 2008
SO I bet the cavs will do all they can to trade wally, av, joe smith for an good player not sure it will happend but it could if a team wants cap room
#72 Jul 19, 2008
but if the cavs dont sing west they will be at 52 mil. but I hope they do sign him he needs to be our SG or PG next year... but still the cavs have could still give a mid con. to a good player like ron arest put him at SG and west a PG
PF Big Ben
and then in 2010 off seasaon have about 20 mil of cap to work with after signing james
#73 Jul 19, 2008
Now your starting to get it....
Funny how Matt, and PMDT whatever dont seem to be around anymore...
I guess when you get abused as badly as they did they have no choice but to turn and run.
At least you stayed around.. Got to give you credit for that.
Remeber though... Like I said... We do have 1 other choice.
If we get Z to opt out of his contract next year that will free up 11.5 mill.
Now because Matt cant read he thinks I'm saying Z would get hosed in the deal and only be able to sign for 3 or 4 mill...
No. No. NO.
Ferry would make a back room agreement that the cavs will re-sign Z for the same amount (11.5 mill) if he opts out. Again we would do this because if Z opts out that frees up 11.5 mill more off the cap. Than after we sign a free agent with that money we can than go back and sign Z to a one year 11.5 mill deal.
You can go over the cap to sign Z if he opts out next year. But we cant go over if he takes his player option.
Now I understand this is kind of a long shot.
Like I said though. If Ferry has a good relationship with Z, and Z trusts the Cavs org. he might do it.
At the end of the day if the Cavs hold to their word Z would make the same amount of money.
#74 Jul 20, 2008
Ding... Ding... Ding...
What would you call this...
Like a 2nd round KO?
Nice try Matty Matt, and PMS1420.
You can run, but you cant hide. I'm sure I'll find you on this board again...
Maybe I'll go a bit easier on you next time.
#75 Jul 21, 2008
Honestly, Artest has never made a team better. He's a nice player, but I think you're overrating what he can do for your team, he's approaching the twilight of his career.
#76 Jul 21, 2008
I agree with you.
However if you were talking to me.... I never agreed with ZAck that Artest was the way to go per say. Although... I think ZAck's point is... And its not a bad one... Artest would instantly be the 2nd best player on our team... But again.. Thats not saying much.
I was simply clearing up the stupidity by others that say we will have tons of cap room next year.
As for a trade for Artest...
The kings are looking for a guy like Howard out of Dallas...
So, that being said I'm pretty sure they wont do a Wally for Artest deal... Like guys like Matt seem to think grow on trees.
Ferry, and this organization has put us in a real bad spot.
Contrary to what Matty Matt, and PMS1420 say...
The Cavs will NOT have enough money to get a good FA until 2010...
Now the bad thing about that is 2010/11 is LBJ's PLAYER OPTION year.
Oh, here is the new link for those who can read a simple chart. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland.htm
This has Gibsons new deal in it.
Now like I was saying...
Next summer we will have little to NO money to go after a high priced FA.
But in 10/11 we will...
But... OOPS... Ya thats right LBJ can leave.
Bottom line is this..
Even though Matty Matt, and PMS1420 love the job Ferry, and the Cavs org have done...
They are full of it.
We may be able to pull off a trade with exp. contracts and maybe a 1st round pick or 2 for a solid player... But my point was dont count on it... Those trades dont grow on trees... But because of the Gasol trade last year people are thinking they do.
Out best option is to do what GM King James said.
Read the above about Z.
Lets hope Ferry A. thinks of it... and B. has a good enough realtionship with Z that he can trust the Cavs wont screw him.
That will clear up 11.5 mill next year, and give us a chance to get a good player in FA next year.
It may be a long shot...
But it is our only shot (in FA anyway)... Sorry Matty.
#77 Jul 21, 2008
Sorry King James, I wasn't talking to you. I completely agree, the Cavs aren't really in a great position. Trading for Michael Redd would have been great, but Milwaukee wasn't about to unload their best player for trash. Too many people keep pointing to the Garnett deal, but are ignorant to who exactly Al Jefferson is and that the Cavs have nobody (outside of Lebron)as good as Jefferson to get a deal like that done, I personally think Minnesota got the better end of that deal. The Gibson signing was a no brainer, and the reason he didn't get much money was because nobody else wants him. Delonte West will get paid more than Gibson, and I had heard Golden State was interested in West. I'm sure some Cavs fan will come in here with a brilliant idea of "hey, sign and trade West for Al Harrington", but GS doesn't want West that bad. I heard Ryan Gomes is a possibility to come to Cleveland, a far cry from Redd.
#78 Jul 21, 2008
I didnt think you were...
But... Just in case...
Wow... What a good post.
Finally someone on here has a clue.
I love your use of the word "trash" to describe cleveland players... Couldnt of said it much better myself...
Also your break down of the Garnett deal was spot on.
I know I tend to piss cav fans off on sites like this... But I just get so tired of all the crap guys like that Matt spew. They just have no clue.....
Well anyway... You seem to be cut from a different cloth.
Since: Dec 07
#79 Jul 21, 2008
Hey queen, can you copy and paste the post where I said that Ferry is doing a great job AND we're going to have enough cap space to get a big FA in 2009... cause I don't remember saying those things, but apparently you do.
Oh, and the PMS thing... HILARIOUS! I get it, both that and my sn are 3 letters that start with "P"... where do you get this insane level of comedy from?
You know what else would fit your screen name changing fancy? Pud... as in what you must be pulling on if you think anyone enjoys your 30 post-a-day back slapping.
#80 Jul 21, 2008
Well... when Matty Matt would post his garbage you would reply with stuff like the above...
So... was I wrong to assume that you saying "keep yo pimp hand strong Matt" after Matty saying the very stuff you claim to now dis-agree with was wrong of me?
I would think not...
But its funny how you wish to back away from it now...
But you know, after that kind of a beat down who could blame you.
Its ok Though... Like I said... A simple apology was all that was needed.
Because you dont know any better you picked the wrong horse.
Its ok... Just choose more wisely next time.
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