Gibson, Cavs pleased with five-year deal

Gibson, Cavs pleased with five-year deal

There are 92 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from Jul 16, 2008, titled Gibson, Cavs pleased with five-year deal. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

CLEVELAND:The Cavaliers signed restricted free-agent guard Daniel Gibson to a five-year contract today, securing the services of someone whom they view as integral to the team's future success.

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Matt

Woodland Hills, CA

#21 Jul 17, 2008
To cap off two thoughts in the above....people will also want Verajao because his contract will also be an expiring contract....

AND...when I say the pacers called the Cavs last minute I meant that they did so before their agreement to trade J.O. to Toronto.

Expiring deals are what is going to make Marbury, and Marion so popular this offseason as well.

So, again, you really don't have a grasp of this, and that's sad.
Cavs_blow_hard

Reisterstown, MD

#22 Jul 17, 2008
Looks like someone got pretty much destroyed in this thread.
King James

San Francisco, CA

#23 Jul 17, 2008
Cavs_blow_hard wrote:
Looks like someone got pretty much destroyed in this thread.
If you think that you are as dumb as Matt...
I'll explain why...
King James

United States

#24 Jul 17, 2008
Matt wrote:
To cap off two thoughts in the above....people will also want Verajao because his contract will also be an expiring contract....
AND...when I say the pacers called the Cavs last minute I meant that they did so before their agreement to trade J.O. to Toronto.
Expiring deals are what is going to make Marbury, and Marion so popular this offseason as well.
So, again, you really don't have a grasp of this, and that's sad.
You know whats great Matt... When you lie and others follow like idiots and actually believe what you say...

Lets start with lie number 1...
Carter was NOT traded for Exp. contracts...
Carter was traded for Alonzo Mourning 2 other players cant remember who, and 2 thats right 2 number 1 picks... So lets get that straight...

Lie number 2... Garnett was not traded for Exp. Contracts... He was traded for Al Jefferson... Who is very good... Cavs would kill to have him... and yes... 2 yes thats right 2 number 1 draft picks.... Oh, and one of the two was I believe the 4th pick in the draft...

My point is much value in the trades above for the other team... Not just Exp. contracts.

We dont have an Al Jefferson to offer someone...
Now 2 number 1's and Wally might get us an Avg. Player... But nobody special....

Now Karver and Randolph are jokes... Come on... Are we even talking about them...

Lets move on...

Never said we cant trade Anderson... What I said was who wants him.... and that leads to lie like what... Number 4?.... No one had to offer him 10 mill... All they had to do was make an offer... Any offer... Oh and trust me.... If teams actually wanted him they would of offered something... Ever hear of Carlos Boozer you jack ass.... Someone sure offered him something...

I could go on and on... But you are just a typical cleveland fan that knows nothing....

To say Ferry is doing the right thing is just comical...
Unless you mean the right thing is accomplish nothing.... The Cavs are worse or at best just as good as when LBJ got here... LBJ aside anyway... They won 17 games without him... take him off the team next year and they are lucky to win 17....

He has done nothing but trade number 1 picks for nothing... Draft number one picks that bust... and make horrible moves...

The fact that you said Ferry is doing the right thing and talk about what a great job hes doing just proves how stupid you are...

End of conversation.
King James

United States

#25 Jul 17, 2008
Matt wrote:
Dear King James.....
If someone took on Kwame Brown's expiring contract don't you think they'd take on a contract that offers them even more cap relief and a player that isn't a COMPLETE dud?
And for the record, because you're not even close to being knowledgeable on the topic, we CAN trade Verajao to WHOEVER we want AFTER Dec. 1st of 2008. So after that, it won't matter. And people DID want him, just not at his asking price of 10 million per season, that and the threat that the Cavs would match any offer below 10 million was enough to scare other teams away...
Larry Hughes? No one was arguing when we signed him, we tried going after Redd and Ray Allen, but they took the extra money instead, and BOTH of them regretted it. It doesn't matter WHERE your team is if they're willing to shell out cash, which the Cavs WILL have in the next two years. When you're a perennial FINALS contender, people notice, and people have interest...
And things like the Gasol trade happen all the time, it's not about people wanting Wally, it's going to be about people wanting to get under the cap or get further under the cap for the upcoming offseason.
Vince Carter was traded to the nets for expiring deals, the Pacers called the Cavs last minute to see if they could offer expiring deals....it happens ALL THE TIME.
Bibby was unloaded for expiring deals and a second round pick.
Korver to the Jazz for an expiring deal, which gave them the cash to go after Brand.
KEVIN GARNETT for Al Jefferson ANNNNND?????? That's right King Moron....Expiring DEALS....
Zach Randolph for Steve Francis' expiring deal.
So I guess you're right...it NEVER happens...
If you think that 35 million in expiring deals is worthless on the NBA trade market you're a complete idiot....
and if you think that being 50 million under the cap and having the ability to afford to offer 2 max deals to two different players is going to be worthless to then I don't know what to tell you...
other than, the Cavs would be in a horrendous situation with you at the helm...
thank God you're just a dumb pessemistic bystander and not someone with any actual responsibility...
Oh, and last thing... Than I'm done with you...
I love how you say 50 mill under the cap... LOL.

The Cavs will never be 50 mill under the cap... You have to have a roster jack ass... LOL... At best one day they will be about 20 mill under the cap... Now that on paper is nice... But lets remember back to the last time we were 20 mill under the cap... Mr. Larry Hughes came in... You know why.... Nobody else wanted to come here...

When you need another GM lesson let me know....

It is a catch 22.... No one will sign here until LBJ signs... But LBJ is not going to sign another deal unless someone else comes...

Game over...
Lesson is out...
matt

San Diego, CA

#26 Jul 18, 2008
Okay...last time King James...last time...
VC was traded for 2 number 1's and Zo (who they knew they would buy out b/c of his kidney thing), Eric Williams (who's deal expired the following year), and Aaron Williams (who's deal was expiring)...
Garnett was traded for Jefferson, they got they're OWN #1 pick back that they gave to Boston in the Davis-Szerbiak deal, Theo Ratliff's expiring contract, Telfair's expiring contract, Green's expiring contract, and a future number one pick...
Future number one? Hmm...the Cavs have a few of those....
For the Record...
Ferry has NOT YET traded a Cavalier number one pick...it was Jimmy Paxson who put us in that hole with stupid trades like the Jiri Welsch deal...so blame Paxson for the lack of picks, not ferry...
The summer of Allen, Redd, and Hughes...the difference between the 3? Allen and Redd could be offered the max deal by their home teams which were 20 million or so MORE than any other team could offer....you think they liked kicking it in Seattle or Milwaukee? Because those are two HOTBEDS of activity? no...they were where the money was....which is what Cleveland will be to LeBron in 2010...where the money is (and don't give me the endorsement line either...being in Cleveland hasn't stopped him from getting Vitamin Water, Powerade, Sprite, Fleer, Bubblicious, or that tiny, upstart shoe company called Nike, maybe you've heard of it)...
as for Hughe's no one was arguing at the time we signed him, he was tops in the leage in steals, defense, had a good handle and had a career high in scoring that year (22ppg) playing along side Arenas, Butler, and Jamison....that's tough to do...
Turns out he was a bust, these things happen it's part of the free agency world....
pundits were clamoring that his contract hampered the Cavs future, esp in the summer of 2010...well guess what Ferry's big blockbuster did....it brought back our financial flexibility while getting rid of a bust signing, and a locker room cancer.
Ben Wallace isn't what he used to be, but if you had to make a short list of guys you want guarding 'Sheed or Garnett in the playoffs, I would have to think he'd be on it somewhere, he's still a good defender and a good locker room presence. I agree he's well past his prime, but look at the positives, the cancer is gone, and we now have some Major cap relief coming sooner rather than later.
What Ferry did was keep the team at the same competitive level while improving the overall atmosphere in the clubhouse AND gaining the flexibility of the expiring deals...
As for the Boozer comparison? it just highlights how stupid you really are...
.
matt

San Diego, CA

#27 Jul 18, 2008
The cavs made a closed door deal with Boozer to release him and sign him to a 42 million dollar deal so that he wouldn't have to go another year making the 900k from his rookie contract. We released him, making him an unrestricted free agent, when that happened, utah came in with an offer so high that the cavs, given their cap situation could not match.
Verajao is different because he's not as good as boozer is, was a restricted free agent, AND had an over inflated idea of what he was worth. The point was to illustrate that any sensible offer made would have been matched by the cavs immediately, s team was going to have to overspend big time to get him, and after failed situations with guys like Sam Dalembert and Nazr Muhammed, not a lot of teams, if any, are willing to do that.
An expiring deal for an energetic big man? Trust me...someone will want that...
LBJ might stay, he might not. But the point is (and I'm NOT wrong) that the Cavs have a great deal of flexibility over the next 2 years and are in JUST AS GOOD of shape as the Nets are for the summer of 2010. We'll actually have MORE cap room than they will.
And the 50 mil in cap room...what I meant was that in the next 2 offseasons, if we stand pat, we'll have over 50 million comming off the books, everyone knows you have to have a roster...don't nit pick little things because you're not smart enough to win a debate.
Bottom line, the cavs are in great position for the next two offseasons, and have a great chance at improving their situation because of the expiring contracts that they're holding
hdawg

United States

#28 Jul 18, 2008
Look, forget about any sign and trade for Gordon or Deng. The Cavs don't really have anything they can trade that would help the Bulls. The Bulls would want a low post scorer, don't mention Varejao, the Bulls already have him except they call him Noah. Deng will be signed, Gordon will probably be traded, but Cleveland doesn't have enough to get him.

Since: Dec 07

United States

#29 Jul 18, 2008
Keep yo' pimp hand strong, Matt.
King James

Los Angeles, CA

#30 Jul 18, 2008
matt wrote:
The cavs made a closed door deal with Boozer to release him and sign him to a 42 million dollar deal so that he wouldn't have to go another year making the 900k from his rookie contract. We released him, making him an unrestricted free agent, when that happened, utah came in with an offer so high that the cavs, given their cap situation could not match.
Verajao is different because he's not as good as boozer is, was a restricted free agent, AND had an over inflated idea of what he was worth. The point was to illustrate that any sensible offer made would have been matched by the cavs immediately, s team was going to have to overspend big time to get him, and after failed situations with guys like Sam Dalembert and Nazr Muhammed, not a lot of teams, if any, are willing to do that.
An expiring deal for an energetic big man? Trust me...someone will want that...
LBJ might stay, he might not. But the point is (and I'm NOT wrong) that the Cavs have a great deal of flexibility over the next 2 years and are in JUST AS GOOD of shape as the Nets are for the summer of 2010. We'll actually have MORE cap room than they will.
And the 50 mil in cap room...what I meant was that in the next 2 offseasons, if we stand pat, we'll have over 50 million comming off the books, everyone knows you have to have a roster...don't nit pick little things because you're not smart enough to win a debate.
Bottom line, the cavs are in great position for the next two offseasons, and have a great chance at improving their situation because of the expiring contracts that they're holding
Not nit picking... Sorry. Pal.... You said.
"cavs will have 50 mill to make 2 max deals"...
All I'm saying is that is another LIE... what are we on 5 now....
So lets move to 6 why dont we...
6th LIE... Could not make an offer for Boozer.... Over the Cap... LIE... He was a current player... We could of offered him more than Utah... Wasnt that your point on why we didnt get Redd, and Allen...
As for not being able to debate...
yes it is hard to debate a guy who continues to LIE... But at least you have idiots on here who believe your spew... LOL.
King James

Los Angeles, CA

#31 Jul 18, 2008
matt wrote:
The cavs made a closed door deal with Boozer to release him and sign him to a 42 million dollar deal so that he wouldn't have to go another year making the 900k from his rookie contract. We released him, making him an unrestricted free agent, when that happened, utah came in with an offer so high that the cavs, given their cap situation could not match.
Verajao is different because he's not as good as boozer is, was a restricted free agent, AND had an over inflated idea of what he was worth. The point was to illustrate that any sensible offer made would have been matched by the cavs immediately, s team was going to have to overspend big time to get him, and after failed situations with guys like Sam Dalembert and Nazr Muhammed, not a lot of teams, if any, are willing to do that.
An expiring deal for an energetic big man? Trust me...someone will want that...
LBJ might stay, he might not. But the point is (and I'm NOT wrong) that the Cavs have a great deal of flexibility over the next 2 years and are in JUST AS GOOD of shape as the Nets are for the summer of 2010. We'll actually have MORE cap room than they will.
And the 50 mil in cap room...what I meant was that in the next 2 offseasons, if we stand pat, we'll have over 50 million comming off the books, everyone knows you have to have a roster...don't nit pick little things because you're not smart enough to win a debate.
Bottom line, the cavs are in great position for the next two offseasons, and have a great chance at improving their situation because of the expiring contracts that they're holding
Bottom line...
you said exp. deals.... and 50 mill in free space to make 2 max deals... BOTH WRONG.
Carter was traded for 2 number 1's

As for Garnett.... Dont care if it was to get a number 1 back...
Garnett was traded for Jefferson (very good player), and 2 number 1 picks.... oh, and 1 of them was very high....

It's nice that you at least admit you were trying to mis-lead by your clarification..

Whats funny is a couple idiots on here actually believed you spew and thought the cavs would have 50 mill to make to max offers to players... Like you said... But hey people followed Hitler also....LOL

Main Points....
Point number 1...
Very good players in their prime dont get traded (often) for exp. contracts.... You can argue Gasol, and Maybe Carter.... But thats about it... My point was those deals dont "grow on trees".
Now if you want to package 2 number 1's, and Wallly... You may get Thomas, and Artest out of Sac Town... But not sure we would want that...

Try again....
King James

Los Angeles, CA

#32 Jul 18, 2008
PDT1420 wrote:
Keep yo' pimp hand strong, Matt.
His pimp hand is strong...
On you... LOL...

Whats funny is when guys like Matt say the cavs are going to have 50 mill to make 2 max deals guys like you run to the corner and whack it....

I at least have to give guys like Matt credit for knowing they are full of it... To try and win a debate....

But for you to believe that crap... LOL...

Actually I feel kind of bad for you....

Since: Dec 07

Akron, OH

#33 Jul 18, 2008
King James wrote:
<quoted text>
His pimp hand is strong...
On you... LOL...
OH SNAP! OH NO YOU DI'INT!

What are you, 12?
Was "His pimp hand strong... on your mom... LOL..." not available or did you think of it after. Oh, the one that got away, everyone on topix would have been LOLing on that one.
King James

Los Angeles, CA

#34 Jul 18, 2008
PDT1420 wrote:
<quoted text>
OH SNAP! OH NO YOU DI'INT!
What are you, 12?
Was "His pimp hand strong... on your mom... LOL..." not available or did you think of it after. Oh, the one that got away, everyone on topix would have been LOLing on that one.
Do me a favor...
Read your last post and translate it from Moron to english for us...
Thank you.

Wow... I just read it again... This post is a classic..

I mean... What could this possibly mean... LOL

"Was "His pimp hand strong... on your mom... LOL..." not available or did you think of it after. Oh, the one that got away, everyone on topix would have been LOLing on that one".

Hey Matt... This is the dude on your side.. LOL..
Fell good about that?
King James

Los Angeles, CA

#35 Jul 18, 2008
PDT1420 wrote:
<quoted text>
OH SNAP! OH NO YOU DI'INT!
What are you, 12?
Was "His pimp hand strong... on your mom... LOL..." not available or did you think of it after. Oh, the one that got away, everyone on topix would have been LOLing on that one.
Sorry.. I meant..

Feel good about that...

Oh, and I just had to post this again...
This post has to top the charts of most insane, illogical posts of all time...
Veezy

Elmhurst, IL

#36 Jul 18, 2008
Look Prince James, all Matt is saying is with all the cap room that will be available to us in the next two years, Ferry should have plenty of money to go after not one, but maybe two top flight players. We already have four players on the team now that make 10 million or more so it ain't like it has not been done before. Maybe we don't have the players to use in a trade for a top of the line sidekick to Lebron right now, but money talks and we'll have alot of it to unload before the all-star break and before Lebron's free agency. Even if we stay pat until then, our team is still one of the top four or five teams in the east.
King James

Los Angeles, CA

#37 Jul 18, 2008
King James wrote:
<quoted text>
Do me a favor...
Read your last post and translate it from Moron to english for us...
Thank you.
Wow... I just read it again... This post is a classic..
I mean... What could this possibly mean... LOL
"Was "His pimp hand strong... on your mom... LOL..." not available or did you think of it after. Oh, the one that got away, everyone on topix would have been LOLing on that one".
Hey Matt... This is the dude on your side.. LOL..
Fell good about that?
I'm sorry i just cant let this post go....
I mean...
You said something about keeping his Pimp hand strong..

I simply proved why you were the one that got pimped...
and you come back with mama's....

I mean really.
Is that the best you got...

You better Just let Matt do the talking from now on...
King James

Los Angeles, CA

#38 Jul 18, 2008
Veezy wrote:
Look Prince James, all Matt is saying is with all the cap room that will be available to us in the next two years, Ferry should have plenty of money to go after not one, but maybe two top flight players. We already have four players on the team now that make 10 million or more so it ain't like it has not been done before. Maybe we don't have the players to use in a trade for a top of the line sidekick to Lebron right now, but money talks and we'll have alot of it to unload before the all-star break and before Lebron's free agency. Even if we stay pat until then, our team is still one of the top four or five teams in the east.
I didnt realize skip bayless was on topix...

But that aside.. if by Prince you mean clearly the best player in the NBA... Than yes... Prince I guess can work...

Now on to the post....

I understand what you and matt are saying...
However, what you guys dont seem to understand is we had this chance a few years back... Nobody wanted to come here... That is why we ended up with Larry Hughes.

As for trades... Because of the Gasol trade last year everyone seems to think those deals grow on trees... I'm simply saying dont count on it....

Bottom line is this... The cavs have done absolutly nothing to help LBJ since he has been here... If anything this team is worse (the players around him) than his rookie season...

When guys like Matt talk about what a great job Ferry is doing its just comical...

Now... Ill say it one more time...
Yes we will have cap space in a couple of years... but it wont be 50 mill. and good luck getting someone here if they think LBJ is bolting...
In fact for that matter... Good luck getting someone here period... Again I ref. the year we ended up having to get Hughes...

As for trading exp. deals for a great young player...
All I'm simply saying is dont count on it... If it happens I'll be the first one to dance in the street...

But with the cavs history... Like I said dont count on it...
ZAck

United States

#39 Jul 18, 2008
after this season the cavs will lose 3-5 players but have 30 mil to spend. 16 of which will or should go to an ALL-STAR player who knows how is going to be out there next year. and they 2 5-7mil deals to fill roster
King James

Los Angeles, CA

#40 Jul 18, 2008
Veezy wrote:
Look Prince James, all Matt is saying is with all the cap room that will be available to us in the next two years, Ferry should have plenty of money to go after not one, but maybe two top flight players. We already have four players on the team now that make 10 million or more so it ain't like it has not been done before. Maybe we don't have the players to use in a trade for a top of the line sidekick to Lebron right now, but money talks and we'll have alot of it to unload before the all-star break and before Lebron's free agency. Even if we stay pat until then, our team is still one of the top four or five teams in the east.
Oh, one more thing...

Yes the cavs are one of the best teams in the league... Not just the east...
They are that only because of KING James...

Trust me on this... These bums win about 15 games next year without LBJ...

Just look at their record last year when he was out...
0-7 if memory serves me right...

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