Gibson, Cavs pleased with five-year deal

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CLEVELAND:The Cavaliers signed restricted free-agent guard Daniel Gibson to a five-year contract today, securing the services of someone whom they view as integral to the team's future success.

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King Charles

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Jul 16, 2008
 
Let's get Starbury next!

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Jul 16, 2008
 

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Just wondering......

Gibson had better stats this past season and, Lord knows, was the darling of the '06 Detroit series, but is this a good deal?

I am not knocking him at all. I just think the Cavs need to get a new coach and sign another "big name" to reduce the focus on LBJ. Obviously, the details (read:$$) are not out, but is this a good investment? To me, he seems a little inconsistent in his play.

Thoughts?
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Jul 16, 2008
 
Bergermeister wrote:
Just wondering......
Gibson had better stats this past season and, Lord knows, was the darling of the '06 Detroit series, but is this a good deal?
I am not knocking him at all. I just think the Cavs need to get a new coach and sign another "big name" to reduce the focus on LBJ. Obviously, the details (read:$$) are not out, but is this a good investment? To me, he seems a little inconsistent in his play.
Thoughts?
I think it depends on what the numers are. As long as it's not in the 6-7M a year range I'm cool with it. Are they not announcing the terms because they don't want to impact the West negotiations?
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Jul 16, 2008
 
He is good. but hope he isnt getting big money. he is young and I want the cavs to have alot of cap next offseason.

does anyone no how much cap the Cavs are planed on having next year? and what player they could pick up with that money
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Jul 16, 2008
 
unconfirmed numbers have been leaked to be 27.5 over the five years with first year starting at 4.5

Reasonable deal. Well known that Lebron thinks highly of Gibson. Lebron is always going to need a pure shooter to knock down the open looks and Gibson is one of the best. The knock on Boobie is that he is one dimensional, but I think Gibson will improve his PG skills. Will be interesting to see who wins the starting PG battle between him and Delonte, assuming Delonte gets re-signed.
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Jul 16, 2008
 
Here is a link that shows the Cavs salaries for the next few years:

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland.htm

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Jul 16, 2008
 
John wrote:
Here is a link that shows the Cavs salaries for the next few years:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland.htm
Good link, thanks.

Still, I don't get the "warm fuzzy".

The Cavs can clean house at the end of next year, but could still lose LBJ. I would prefer some wheelin' and dealin' in the present to get him to at least sign for another 3-4 years. If the "home office" would act now and sign a big name to support him; he just might stick around.

I gotta belive.

Lord knows, he will be looking for a long-term contract, but I am hoping a one or two good "quality signings" will get him to stick around for a little while longer.

I really believe that LBJ wants to be "The Guy That Brought The Trophy Home".

Or, pipe dreams I guess...
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Jul 17, 2008
 
Right now it is very difficult for the Cavs to land another star, a real impact player because they do not have much that other teams want, other than Varajeo. I am hoping they re-sign Delonte, use some of the MLE money to replace Devin Brown, and then as the trade deadline nears, move some of their expiring contracts (Wally 13 mil, Snow 7, Damon Jones 4.5, Varajeo 5.5) to land a star. Right now teams need to sell tickets, but as the trade deadline nears, teams that are out of the playoff race are willing to take on expiring deals for a great player (like Memphis last year), so they can have salary cap flexibilty the next offseason. I think the Cavs will contend this year and have a good chance of winning it all in the next two years. Hopefully Lebron will then sign for six or seven more years.
I hope LBJ helps end the championship drought in Cleveland soon.
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Jul 17, 2008
 
John's right, Varejao is the only young player that they can really trade, and the problem with that is he isn't locked up for a few years at a reasonable salary. Every team out there knows about Anderson's holdout last year, and his thought that he's worth a lot more money. The expiring contracts will be worthwhile to somebody during the season, but not now.
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Jul 17, 2008
 
hdawg wrote:
John's right, Varejao is the only young player that they can really trade, and the problem with that is he isn't locked up for a few years at a reasonable salary. Every team out there knows about Anderson's holdout last year, and his thought that he's worth a lot more money. The expiring contracts will be worthwhile to somebody during the season, but not now.
Johns wrong....
Oh, and so are you.
Varejao is garbage... No team wants him.
He was a Re-free agent last year and only one team offered him a deal... And it was so crappy the Cavs were willing to match it... Oh, and its not like he lite it up last year to make it so all of a sudden he is in demand...

2nd... as for the exp. contracts....
The Memphis trade was a fluke trade... That trade was made to give Kobe enough help to get out of the west... David Stern couldnt take another year of the Spurs in the finals... Something had to be done. I'm sure Memphis will be rewarded later... My point is this... Trades like that dont grow on trees... In fact can you name one similar? I doubt it....

Listen up Cav fans...
The only way LBJ wins a Title is on his own... He has a bunch of bums playing with him that no other team wants... For good reason. We are so far over the cap its sick... Even when these contracts do exp. we still wont be able to get a big name player. Last... Dont count on a Gasol type trade unless Stern wants it... It just wont happen....

Best bet for the cavs is if we dump exp. contracts for another Ben wallace type player... Below avg. player with a big contract that the other team wants to dump...

Sorry cav fans but unless LBJ does what no other B-ball star could do... and win title on his own... He will be gone, and that will be the end of the Cavs...

This all makes me sick... But what do they say about the truth... It hurts!
hdawg

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Jul 17, 2008
 
No, the NBA wasn't trying to help Kobe, they're GM just pulled the trigger on something.
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Jul 17, 2008
 
The last post from "King James" is horrific, uneducated, and down right wrong.

Look at the facts:

Coming off the books after the 08-09 Season are:
Wally (13.7 mil)
D. Jones (4.5 mil)
E. Snow (7.3 mil)
Verajo (5.7 mil)
Joe Smith (4.7 mil)

We're looking at having about 35.9 million come off the books next summer alone.

Then in the summer of 2010 we lose the contracts of:

Ilgauskus:(10.8 mil)
Wallace:(15.5 mil)
Pavlovic:( 4.5 mil)

That's another 30.8 million that comes off the books for the summer of 2010.

Any idiot that thinks that the Cavs AREN'T in great shape for the next two years, AND for the summer of 2010 is out of his/her mind.

Currently the Cavs have a very good basketball team that as recently as June proved they could hang with the NBA's BEST team, and came very close to winning it.

Danny Ferry is absolutely doing the right thing by waiting and letting the chips fall where they may. Let the season play out, and trust me someone will want Wally's expiring deal, and someone will definitely want Verajao if the price is right...why? because you can't teach size and you can't force someone to play with that kind of energy.

The Richard Jefferson trade definitely hurts our chances of getting Redd, but that's okay, because the Buck's may still be a poor team this year, especially under Skiles, who didn't exactly win over the bulls. SPEAKING of the bulls, there are still all sorts of sign and trade possibilities with them concerning Deng and Gordon that the Cavs may be able to capitalize on. Then look at the Bobcats, Felton and Richardson may not mesh very well with Larry Brown, and they already want Verajao as insurance for Okafor, we could very easily match up Wally and Verajao's expiring deals and a draft pick for Felton and Richardson...THAT would make us scary good.

There's all sorts of things that could happen here. Perhaps we wait it out and go into the summer of 2010 with a cap number of only 20 million where we have to (by NBA rules) spend more than 51 million. The cavs could very easily sway 'Bron and another star to play for us...why you ask? Because the Cavs will be able to offer the King 25-30 million more than any other team AND for the "other star" the chance to get a near max deal AND play with LeBron....I honestly think that might be the plan. You could sign two guys for max deals and fill out the team around them....(think Celtics right now).

This insatiable need to have something happen RIGHT NOW causes fans to clamor for dumb things. Trying to get Baron Davis would be dumb, going after Iguadala would be DUMB....Trying to swing a potential deal for Barbosa and Diaw? Now THERE's a thought! Swinging a deal for Ron Artest's expiring deal and Kenny Thomas' 2010 expiring deal? Not a bad move either....short term competetiveness AND long term flexibility.

You DO realize how brilliant last year's midseason deal was right? He dropped locker room cancers and long term contracts of inefficient players for cap room in the biggest free agent summer of NBA's history AND got great locker room guys, a shooter, and athletic combo guard and two more than serviceable NBA big men. All while garaunteeing that we will have a great shot at landing two superstars...you DO realize this RIGHT?

FERRY IS DOING A GREAT JOB. So please....settle down, relax and just enjoy the ride. I promise you that a GM as creative as Ferry, and an owner with a wallet the size of Gilberts are going to make for a very exciting next two and a half years.

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Jul 17, 2008
 
I agree with hdawg, and don't also forget the negative of Varejao that he can refuse trades, which reports have him doing during the NBA draft.

And furthermore, most people who think he is definitely gone in a few years were positive that he'd never sign his first contract extension.
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Jul 17, 2008
 
Matt wrote:
The chances of getting Redd, but that's okay, because the Buck's may still be a poor team this year, especially under Skiles, who didn't exactly win over the bulls. SPEAKING of the bulls, there are still all sorts of sign and trade possibilities with them concerning Deng and Gordon that the Cavs may be able to capitalize on. Then look at the Bobcats, Felton and Richardson may not mesh very well with Larry Brown, and they already want Verajao as insurance for Okafor, we could very easily match up Wally and Verajao's expiring deals and a draft pick for Felton and Richardson...THAT would make us scary good.
There's all sorts of things that could happen here. Perhaps we wait it out and go into the summer of 2010 with a cap number of only 20 million where we have to (by NBA rules) spend more than 51 million. The cavs could very easily sway 'Bron and another star to play for us...why you ask? Because the Cavs will be able to offer the King 25-30 million more than any other team AND for the "other star" the chance to get a near max deal AND play with LeBron....I honestly think that might be the plan. You could sign two guys for max deals and fill out the team around them....(think Celtics right now).
This insatiable need to have something happen RIGHT NOW causes fans to clamor for dumb things. Trying to get Baron Davis would be dumb, going after Iguadala would be DUMB....Trying to swing a potential deal for Barbosa and Diaw? Now THERE's a thought! Swinging a deal for Ron Artest's expiring deal and Kenny Thomas' 2010 expiring deal? Not a bad move either....short term competetiveness AND long term flexibility.
You DO realize how brilliant last year's midseason deal was right? He dropped locker room cancers and long term contracts of inefficient players for cap room in the biggest free agent summer of NBA's history AND got great locker room guys, a shooter, and athletic combo guard and two more than serviceable NBA big men. All while garaunteeing that we will have a great shot at landing two superstars...you DO realize this RIGHT?
FERRY IS DOING A GREAT JOB. So please....settle down, relax and just enjoy the ride. I promise you that a GM as creative as Ferry, and an owner with a wallet the size of Gilberts are going to make for a very exciting next two and a half years.
Someone will want Wallys contract?
Ya sure... But not for a Gasol... Try again..
Someone will want Verajao... Ahhh What... Why didnt they want him last year? Typical Cav Fan response... hey listen moron... If they didnt want him last year... They sure dont want to trade for him, and give up a good player... Try again...
I really got sick of reading this rant....
But the last thing I will address because I just cant stomic anymore is this....
"Cavs get a free agent"... Ya like Larry Hughes?
Look the cavs have tried that... This isnt exactly the place people are dying to come and play at... That and they know if LBJ leaves.. Which most say he is.... This team will be left in shambles.... So again.. Try again...
Oh, and one more thing...
Yes the cavs are great... Because LBJ is the best player in B-Ball... Loose him and we go back to winning 17 games... Like before he got here.
OUt.

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Jul 17, 2008
 
Is King James' argument that people won't want Wally's expiring contract?

Didn't someone take on Keith Van Horn's expiring contract?
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Jul 17, 2008
 
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Is King James' argument that people won't want Wally's expiring contract?
Didn't someone take on Keith Van Horn's expiring contract?
Only if you cant read....

My argument is someone will take on Wally's contract.... But dont expect a Gasol in return...
I'm thinking 5th grade education would of been able to handle my last post... You in 4th?
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Jul 17, 2008
 
When Lebron leaves the Cavs, why don't they just shut down the franchise? Or cut all the players, move the team to Vegas and let the team get players like the Bobcats did. Im sure they could make a better team that way then the team has now minus Lebron.

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Jul 17, 2008
 
King James wrote:
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Only if you cant read....
My argument is someone will take on Wally's contract.... But dont expect a Gasol in return...
I'm thinking 5th grade education would of been able to handle my last post... You in 4th?
Boring retort.

Why wouldn't we be able to package a bunch of expiring contracts (Wally's included) for a great player, or even a pretty good one, like gasol?
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Jul 17, 2008
 
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Boring retort.
Why wouldn't we be able to package a bunch of expiring contracts (Wally's included) for a great player, or even a pretty good one, like gasol?
Because it just doesnt happen... Is that a good enough reason... Like I said before... The Gasol trade was a fluke trade... David Stern was behind that one...

What team in there right mind would give up Gasol for Wally... Or even Wally and a couple other stiffs... Look the money has to work out... So its not like we can offer Wally and 5 other cav bums to get to like 50 mill for Gasol.... It has to all work out.

Keep dreaming... No wally for Gasol... Or any other young talent in the prime of his career... It just doesnt happen... Other than for LA. anyway.
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Jul 17, 2008
 
Dear King James.....

If someone took on Kwame Brown's expiring contract don't you think they'd take on a contract that offers them even more cap relief and a player that isn't a COMPLETE dud?

And for the record, because you're not even close to being knowledgeable on the topic, we CAN trade Verajao to WHOEVER we want AFTER Dec. 1st of 2008. So after that, it won't matter. And people DID want him, just not at his asking price of 10 million per season, that and the threat that the Cavs would match any offer below 10 million was enough to scare other teams away...

Larry Hughes? No one was arguing when we signed him, we tried going after Redd and Ray Allen, but they took the extra money instead, and BOTH of them regretted it. It doesn't matter WHERE your team is if they're willing to shell out cash, which the Cavs WILL have in the next two years. When you're a perennial FINALS contender, people notice, and people have interest...

And things like the Gasol trade happen all the time, it's not about people wanting Wally, it's going to be about people wanting to get under the cap or get further under the cap for the upcoming offseason.

Vince Carter was traded to the nets for expiring deals, the Pacers called the Cavs last minute to see if they could offer expiring deals....it happens ALL THE TIME.

Bibby was unloaded for expiring deals and a second round pick.

Korver to the Jazz for an expiring deal, which gave them the cash to go after Brand.

KEVIN GARNETT for Al Jefferson ANNNNND?????? That's right King Moron....Expiring DEALS....

Zach Randolph for Steve Francis' expiring deal.

So I guess you're right...it NEVER happens...

If you think that 35 million in expiring deals is worthless on the NBA trade market you're a complete idiot....

and if you think that being 50 million under the cap and having the ability to afford to offer 2 max deals to two different players is going to be worthless to then I don't know what to tell you...

other than, the Cavs would be in a horrendous situation with you at the helm...

thank God you're just a dumb pessemistic bystander and not someone with any actual responsibility...

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