Varejao verdict can take years

Varejao verdict can take years

There are 19 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from Dec 10, 2007, titled Varejao verdict can take years. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

There seems to have been a rush to judgment to declare winners and losers in the Anderson Varejao contract resolution last week.

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OMG

Canton, OH

#1 Dec 10, 2007
AV's signed for two years now. We now have our good C/F off the bench with energy and defense. Let's get back to winning some games. We can worry about his future with the Cavs in 2 years.
Not A Browns Fan

Cleveland, OH

#2 Dec 10, 2007
Hey OMG...you dumbass, did you happen to see that the Cavs have the 4th highest payroll in the NBA??!! You never knew that did you? Of course not, because you're a moron and why you kept on calling Gilbert a "cheap a$$". Did you happen to see how much in luxury tax the Cavs are on the hook for?? You didn't know that either. Again, that's because you're a stupid a$$.

And AV and his just as-dumb-as-you agent are dumbasses as well. Who cares about 2009? Let AV prove he's worth that amount.
tmurda2240

Strongsville, OH

#3 Dec 10, 2007
omg gets owned once again.
OMG

Canton, OH

#4 Dec 10, 2007
Not A Browns Fan wrote:
Hey OMG...you dumbass, did you happen to see that the Cavs have the 4th highest payroll in the NBA??!! You never knew that did you? Of course not, because you're a moron and why you kept on calling Gilbert a "cheap a$$". Did you happen to see how much in luxury tax the Cavs are on the hook for?? You didn't know that either. Again, that's because you're a stupid a$$.
And AV and his just as-dumb-as-you agent are dumbasses as well. Who cares about 2009? Let AV prove he's worth that amount.
High payroll because the Cavs are the worst run franchise. This is not a honor you want.

SportsWrap dubiously awards Danny Ferry the worst GM of the decade. The Cavaliers might flop their way into the Leastern Conference Finals - but are still quite the pathetic team and have little hope for the future. Here is why - and this list doesn’t include the fact that they let Carlos Boozer slip away to the Utah Jazz (both sides are at fault on that one):

Lebron James is their best player and their 5th highest paid player. If your team has 4 higher paid players - don’t you think you’d be good?! How can’t they get a Kevin Garnett or someone with talent?

Larry Hughes is costing the Cavs $13mm - his per game rate comes out to something close to Roger Clemens 2007 rate.

I would pay $9mm not to have Ilgauskus immobilize my team.

Eric Snow for $6mm is outrageous -$6mm can buy you the entire WNBA and at least a couple of their point guards would be better off.

Ira Newble for $3.1mm is amazing since not even the most obsessed NBA fan knows who the hell he is.

Danny Ferry - We award you the worst GM of the decade. You have destroyed a franchise and will force Lebron to run far, far away.
Not A Browns Fan

Cleveland, OH

#5 Dec 10, 2007
OMG wrote:
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High payroll because the Cavs are the worst run franchise. This is not a honor you want.
You have solidified how much of:

1) a freaking moron you are

2) what a two-faced hypocrite you are.
SportsWrap dubiously awards Danny Ferry the worst GM of the decade.
Who cares? The decade is far from over, too. Moron.

Keep spouting irrelevant stats like you do for everything else when you are proven a bigger dumbass each time. You're as freaking stupid as Betamax.
What

Cleveland, OH

#6 Dec 10, 2007
OMG wrote:
<quoted text>
High payroll because the Cavs are the worst run franchise. This is not a honor you want.
SportsWrap dubiously awards Danny Ferry the worst GM of the decade. The Cavaliers might flop their way into the Leastern Conference Finals - but are still quite the pathetic team and have little hope for the future. Here is why - and this list doesn’t include the fact that they let Carlos Boozer slip away to the Utah Jazz (both sides are at fault on that one):
Lebron James is their best player and their 5th highest paid player. If your team has 4 higher paid players - don’t you think you’d be good?! How can’t they get a Kevin Garnett or someone with talent?
Larry Hughes is costing the Cavs $13mm - his per game rate comes out to something close to Roger Clemens 2007 rate.
I would pay $9mm not to have Ilgauskus immobilize my team.
Eric Snow for $6mm is outrageous -$6mm can buy you the entire WNBA and at least a couple of their point guards would be better off.
Ira Newble for $3.1mm is amazing since not even the most obsessed NBA fan knows who the hell he is.
Danny Ferry - We award you the worst GM of the decade. You have destroyed a franchise and will force Lebron to run far, far away.
You really do not know anything. Danny Ferry has only been here about 2.5 years now. I think every one of your issues you list happened before he arrived.
Will

Salem, OH

#7 Dec 10, 2007
On the salary cap issue. The owner and GM was so worried that Lebron would leave. They had to show Lebron that they are willing to sign players. But the year we finally had money to spend it was a weak free agent year. And Larry Hughes wasn't even the top guy. We wanted Redd or Allen. Plus we had to overpay for players nobody wanted to come to Cleveland.
alan t

United States

#8 Dec 10, 2007
"In fact, knowing the back story, it was easy to pinpoint which national writers and commentators were sympathetic/friendly with the Cavaliers management or with Varejao's agent, Dan Fegan, who has a history of carefully restricting his media dealings to reporters who will side with him."

Golly, long before even before any of this happened, I really, really, really wondered which side the local scribes were ultimately going to take. Self-reflection is not a strong suit of this particular paragraph.
alan t

United States

#9 Dec 10, 2007
"At this moment, the Cavs are on the hook for $8.7 million in luxury taxes this season. They have the fourth-highest payroll in the NBA at just more than $76 million. Two things should be pointed out. While it has not been a good year for Cavs owner Dan Gilbert's Quicken Loans, he has been true to his word that the mortgage industry would not affect his basketball spending. This is the Cavs' highest payroll ever. Second, while it has been popular for media to say the $11 million owed to Varejao over the next two years will cost the Cavs $22 million with taxes, that is simply myopic. No single contract has the Cavs over the line; all of them do. And if the Cavs were going to view one contract as costing them extra, it would be LeBron James' new contract that pays him $12 million this season. They are happy to pay the tax for his deal."

Again, this is a bogus assertion. What were Gilbert's options other than to sell the franchise if he didn't want to "spend" on payroll? Ferry placed him in a position where he had absolutely no choice but to pay the luxury tax. Gilbert didn't "spend," per se, the roster's contracts already existed. In any other situation other than the one Ferry created for himself, Pavlovic's and Varejao's contracts would have begun next season, not this season. That was the entire point of the qualifying offers.

Seriously, the incessant nonsensical local Gilbert and Ferry doggy-rubs to be constantly found in the Beacon Journal and the Plain Dealer make me want to reach for my Gas-X.
alan t

United States

#10 Dec 10, 2007
Will wrote:
On the salary cap issue. The owner and GM was so worried that Lebron would leave. They had to show Lebron that they are willing to sign players. But the year we finally had money to spend it was a weak free agent year. And Larry Hughes wasn't even the top guy. We wanted Redd or Allen. Plus we had to overpay for players nobody wanted to come to Cleveland.
Will, what in the world are you talking about? They were worried he was going to leave? He couldn't have left until the end of this season at the earliest! So why was there panic which produced one stupid irrevocable move after another? When their horrible team doctors weren't doing their impressions of the Three Stooges, the very least they could have done was write Ferry and Gilbert a prescription for Xanax. For a mere few dollars of an insurance co-pay, the Cavs current roster problems would have never existed and they'd now be a dynasty.
worm

Akron, OH

#11 Dec 10, 2007
12 MILLION TO PLAY A GAME. I WONDER IF HE STILL RIDES HOME WITH HIS MOMMY AFTER A LOSS??????
Larry

Ponce, Puerto Rico

#12 Dec 10, 2007
If fear of Lebron leaving caused Ferry to sign the awesome triumvirate of Hughes, Marshall, and Jones to those contracts then there's another reason why Ferry's not a good GM. Like I have been saying the Cavs will turn it around when Lebron comes back, make the playoffs and get knocked out in the second round. Ferry won't make any major moves to the roster, and keep his once this team has been together long enough maybe we can be like the Spurs philosophy.
Larry

Ponce, Puerto Rico

#13 Dec 10, 2007
And if the excuse is that there's not enough talent or too many bad contracts on the roster to make any moves guess who's fault that is too.
David

Lakewood, OH

#14 Dec 10, 2007
Funniest part of this sotry was when Fegan implied that if the Cavs signed AV to the One-year Mid-level that they would then be in the most advantageous position to sign him summer08 when he is UNresrticted.
Ha ha ha ha
Trust an agent, lose a franchise (Boozer)
bikerman

Navarre, FL

#15 Dec 10, 2007
Things look good right now. Lebron is coming back, AV can add depth, Hughes can at least eat some minutes and hopefully not shoot us out of the game. Maybe even Marshall can contribute something.
Chuck

Daly City, CA

#16 Dec 11, 2007
OMG said:
"I would pay $9mm not to have Ilgauskus immobilize my team."

Ilgauskas is having a good year. If he averages 13 and 10 over the last two years of his contract, he's probably getting paid about right. You want to see a bad center contract, check out Erick Dampier.

OMG also babbled forth:
"Eric Snow for $6mm is outrageous -$6mm can buy you the entire WNBA and at least a couple of their point guards would be better off."

Eric Snow is better than Kevin Ollie, who was useless offensively and not a defensive stopper. Ollie's contract was a little cheaper, but at least there are times when I think Snow should be out on the floor. Ollie's only attribute seemed to be that he didn't turn the ball over, except in crucial moments at the end of games. The siez of Snow's contract was the only reason we were able to get rid of Ollie for a player that we've actually gotten a lot of use out of up until this year. A year and a half of paying Snow to sit on the bench was worth getting rid of that guy, as far as I'm concerned.

OMG unfortunately continued:
"Ira Newble for $3.1mm is amazing since not even the most obsessed NBA fan knows who the hell he is."

Danny Ferry didn't sign him. Paxson picked him up the same off season as Ollie. You think Snow's contract is bad, imagine what we would have had to take back for Newble.

Still more spewed forth from OMG:
"Danny Ferry - We award you the worst GM of the decade. You have destroyed a franchise and will force Lebron to run far, far away."

Worst GM of the decade? It's gotta be Kevin McHale, right - the Garnett contract, the Joe Smith fiasco, then screwing up a team with amazing chemistry to trade Cassell and a #1 for Marko Jaric ? How about Isaiah Thomas - Marbury, Larry Brown's monster contract, Quentin Richardson, Jared Jefferies, Jerome James, etc? Hell Scott Layden was awful there, too.
Of the top of my head, all of those guys have been worse than Ferry so far. I'm not saying I'm thrilled with this off season, but Ferry has yet to miss the playoffs of have a team win less than 50 games as a GM. Until he does, to call him the worst GM of the decade is not just a stretch, it's completely idiotic and inane, and believed only by idiotic, inane fans who feel compelled to strive towards the pessimistic anti-homerism that thrived in Cleveland after 40 years of failure and disappointment. It's pathetic, sad, and frankly, predictable. And ultimately non-productive. The next sound you hear is anyone with a lick of common sense throwing up at this garbage.
STTP in Ohio

Mansfield, OH

#17 Dec 11, 2007
Anyone here remember the Cavs went to the Finals last year? Yeah, it didn't go so well once they got there, but they got there.

Someone has to get credit for that; Mike Brown, Ferry, or LBJ. Probably it was a combination of all 3.

As for the Wild Thing, at the end of the day the Cavs have him for 2 years at 11 million total, less than what they would've paid him had he signed on time. If they can't replace his 7 points and 7 rebounds a game by 2009 I'll then join in on the Danny Ferry bashing that's going on here.
alan t

United States

#18 Dec 11, 2007
Chuck wrote:
OMG said:
"I would pay $9mm not to have Ilgauskus immobilize my team."
Ilgauskas is having a good year. If he averages 13 and 10 over the last two years of his contract, he's probably getting paid about right. You want to see a bad center contract, check out Erick Dampier.
OMG also babbled forth:
"Eric Snow for $6mm is outrageous -$6mm can buy you the entire WNBA and at least a couple of their point guards would be better off."
Eric Snow is better than Kevin Ollie, who was useless offensively and not a defensive stopper. Ollie's contract was a little cheaper, but at least there are times when I think Snow should be out on the floor. Ollie's only attribute seemed to be that he didn't turn the ball over, except in crucial moments at the end of games. The siez of Snow's contract was the only reason we were able to get rid of Ollie for a player that we've actually gotten a lot of use out of up until this year. A year and a half of paying Snow to sit on the bench was worth getting rid of that guy, as far as I'm concerned.
OMG unfortunately continued:
"Ira Newble for $3.1mm is amazing since not even the most obsessed NBA fan knows who the hell he is."
Danny Ferry didn't sign him. Paxson picked him up the same off season as Ollie. You think Snow's contract is bad, imagine what we would have had to take back for Newble.
Still more spewed forth from OMG:
"Danny Ferry - We award you the worst GM of the decade. You have destroyed a franchise and will force Lebron to run far, far away."
Worst GM of the decade? It's gotta be Kevin McHale, right - the Garnett contract, the Joe Smith fiasco, then screwing up a team with amazing chemistry to trade Cassell and a #1 for Marko Jaric ? How about Isaiah Thomas - Marbury, Larry Brown's monster contract, Quentin Richardson, Jared Jefferies, Jerome James, etc? Hell Scott Layden was awful there, too.
Of the top of my head, all of those guys have been worse than Ferry so far. I'm not saying I'm thrilled with this off season, but Ferry has yet to miss the playoffs of have a team win less than 50 games as a GM. Until he does, to call him the worst GM of the decade is not just a stretch, it's completely idiotic and inane, and believed only by idiotic, inane fans who feel compelled to strive towards the pessimistic anti-homerism that thrived in Cleveland after 40 years of failure and disappointment. It's pathetic, sad, and frankly, predictable. And ultimately non-productive. The next sound you hear is anyone with a lick of common sense throwing up at this garbage.
Ilgauskas hasn't averaged 10 rebounds in his entire career. It's a horrible contract, with that 15% trade kicker, even slightly worse than Dampier's. Ilguaksas' in terms of dollars per year, was more expensive to sign. The only substantive difference, besides that awful trade kicker in Ilgauskas's contract, is the seven years of Dampier versus five for Ilgauskas. Both are bad contracts.
alan t

United States

#19 Dec 11, 2007
STTP in Ohio wrote:
Anyone here remember the Cavs went to the Finals last year? Yeah, it didn't go so well once they got there, but they got there.
Someone has to get credit for that; Mike Brown, Ferry, or LBJ. Probably it was a combination of all 3.
As for the Wild Thing, at the end of the day the Cavs have him for 2 years at 11 million total, less than what they would've paid him had he signed on time. If they can't replace his 7 points and 7 rebounds a game by 2009 I'll then join in on the Danny Ferry bashing that's going on here.
Ferry and Brown deserve the credit for Gund ordering Paxson to dump payroll and for Paxson tanking?

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