Orlando Magic's backcourt rotation remains in flux

The Magic's backcourt rotation likely will continue to evolve on this upcoming Western swing. Full Story
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Since: Mar 07

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#22 Jan 7, 2008
KGB wrote:
Hey Mitchell UK...
What do you think is causing the Magic to decline?
I enjoy reading your comments.
I'm not sure it's all about the Point position, though it does start there.
To win consistently we need to get Turnovers down to around 13/game. Howard, Lewis, Hedo, Jameer all turn the ball over a bit too much. We did a better job taking care of the ball earlier in the season...and when we did not, we shot out way out of trouble (shots are not falling as well as the were). We seem to have TO's at the worst times! We also need to up our free throws to about 75%. Hitting free throws does more than putting up points...it means your concentration level is high, and making the FT keeps your team on that high. It also makes the opposition play softer (tentative) defense.
I don't think the problem is at the point position at all. Two things I read constantly on these boards are that Nelson and Arroyo are not 'Championship calibre' point guards, and that they are not 'pure' point guards - my response is to look back at previous Champions. The Bulls won it from 91-93 with BJ Armstrong and John Paxson. The Rockets won it in 94 and 95 with Sam Cassell and Kenny Smith. The Bulls from 96-98 with Ron Harper and Steve Kerr. The Spurs in 99 with Avery Johnson, Kerr and Antonio Daniels. The Lakers from 2000-02 with the likes of Harper, Derek Fisher, Brian Shaw, Tyronn Lue and Lyndsey Hunter. Look at those guys - a list of defensive specialists and tweeners, and not a single 'great' point guard amongst them, and certainly not one in the Stockton, Kidd or Nash 'pure' mould. Personally I think the trio of Magic PGs is fine.

My own opinion is that the lack of a genuine 4 is what is starting to hurt the Magic. Teams are taking advantage of us on the inside - as crazy as it sounds, I don't think Dwight Howard is playing as aggressively as he could, or perhaps wants to. When an opponent drives the lane, Howard has to be careful about picking up fouls because if he sits, the Magic are wide open in the interior. What we need is an aggressive power forward who knows how to defend and rebound, and who won't be afraid to give up a couple of hard fouls to send a message opponents who drive the lane. That is simply not Rashard Lewis' nature - it is not his fault, he is being asked to play out of position. If he were a bit younger, I would say go after Kurt Thomas. As it is, a guy like Udonis Haslem (unlikely because he plays for Miami) would be perfect, because he also has a reliable mid range J, or Jeff Foster might fit the bill. Having that guy to work with Howard also allows Dwight to play more freely, aggressively. It's on my wish list for the trade deadline :-)

You are right about free throws and TOs. However looking at it objectively, we have improved from 29th in turnovers last season to 15th this year. If the team continues to grow and improve together, T0s will become less of an issue. And we have to face up to the facts that when Dwight is taking roughly a 3rd of our FT attempts, we are never going to be near the top of the team FT %.

Since: Mar 07

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#23 Jan 7, 2008
Tony wrote:
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Good stuff, I think they really need a dirty work type power forward who can rebound and defend and who doesn't need alot of touches. Reddick probably doesn't have much trade value he is making to much for what he brings to the table...any team could get a guy in the d league or europe for the minimum to do what he does.
True, but Redick does have the advantage of being young, having a bigtime reputation, and whilst he hasn't proved himself in the NBA, you could also argue that he hasn't been 'found out' either. A rebuilding team might be willing to take a chance on him knowing that if things didn't work out, he's only on a rookie deal which expires in a couple of years.

Personally, of all the options I listed before for potential pf help, I like Jeff Foster the best. The guy is an excellent rebounder (especially on the offensive glass, which would help on a team like Orlando that shoots a lot) and a good, tough defender. He is also a player who has never been reliant on his athleticism - he relies on hard work and intelligence to do his job, whereas (and no disrespect to him here, just a example) I can see a guy like Stromile Swift declining significantly as he gets older and his legs go.

My 'dream' addition at the 4 would be Udonis Haslem - hard worker, good rebounder and defender, solid mid-range J - basically a younger and better version of Tony Battie, but I can't see him ever joining Orlando, at least not directly via a trade from Miami. Suppose we just have to wait and see how the next 6 weeks play out. I just hope Otis has something planned for all the expiring deals we have.
laker fan

Edmonton, Canada

#25 Jan 7, 2008
Mitchell UK wrote:
Also, nice to see Brian Cook putting in the hours. If the reports are true and he hasn't cracked the rotation due to low fitness levels and defense, then the only thing that will get him minutes is hard work. Let's hope he is up to it.
Don't hold your breath waiting for cookie to play defense....this is the biggest joke going on...c'mon the guy is a 6'9", 250 lbs. lead weight....the only thing going for him is a mid range jump shot period....he will never take it to the hole or get in an opponent face for defence....we should send you a first round draft pick as extra compensation for the Ariza trade...Ariza, now that is defense ...damn we robbed you! Oh yeah if we can teach Bynum to play we certainly can and will develope Ariza! This 22 year old stud has arms longer than most centers, and try to pass a ball with him guarding you....the way he posterized Grant Hill, better make that two picks instead of just one for extra compensation...thanks EH!
Andy Quintana

Saint Augustine, FL

#26 Jan 7, 2008
El Magico wrote:
SVG are you a coach or are you guessing.
Nelson $35 Millions are making a lot of preasure
I agree. I think Otis Smith is putting a lot of pressure on SVG because he wants Nelson to be the starting PG. Arroyo has been playing very good since he was moved to the starting lineup. Besides, last game against Houston, I think it was a mistake to start with Dooling and sat Bogans. Dooling is not a PG, nor a SG. He is just a good defensive player, that's it. Our main problem is at power forward position. We need someone to help Howard.
Luke

United States

#27 Jan 7, 2008
The NBA need to update their current player database. Brian Cook is NOT 6 feet and 9 inches tall as what the official record shows--he is a 6'10" or a 6'11" forward. I know because I have been to some Magic games and I saw him towering over Pat Garrity and James Augustine.
Jackson

Henderson, NV

#28 Jan 7, 2008
Travis UHS wrote:
The magic are in the position I predicted they would be in this year.Just like last year they started hot then flamed out later in the season then lose in the first round(which is most likely what will happen this year)this is the same story slightly different characters. Where is Rashard Lewis and his 118 millon dollar contract(worst signing since hill and I will continue to say that till this guy is the go to guy the magic paid for.)Nelson is underachieiving but i understand seeing as his father passed away during the off-season, so stan has to find the right guy to run the team either someone on the roster or someone they need to put on it. Dwight isnt the same guy at home he is on the road which needs to change. Stan has got to motivate his team they dont look like they have any fire which fallls on the coaches shoulders. The magic will make the playoffs but be sweeped out just like last year. You people can call me whatever you like say im not a fan just a hater but I speak the truth and you will see once the season ends. The catastrophe I predicting is happening befroe all of our eyes.
you lack of education when it comes to the game of basketball is what makes you make imbicile comments like this, you are a hater, who other than the Pistons are going to sweep the Magic in the first round, If you were a fan and not a hater, you would know that the Magic are going to win their division, thus, entering the First round of the playoffs against a team other than the Pistons, You are a hater because all you want to see is the team win out the whole season, The Magic will advance to the second round and could make it to the east championship if the pick up their defensive intensity. Pistons are the only lock to win the East, the Celtics, with one of the easiest strength of schedule, and absolutlely no rotation that they can rely on will be exposed come playoff time. So i ask you again hater, How and who will sweep the Magic in the first round? cant wait for you to respond with a moot point.
GO Magic, support your team dont hate!!!

“Hate is a four letter word!”

Since: Dec 07

New York, NY

#29 Jan 7, 2008
Jackson wrote:
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you lack of education when it comes to the game of basketball is what makes you make comments like this, you are a hater, who other than the Pistons are going to sweep the Magic in the first round, If you were a fan and not a hater, you would know that the Magic are going to win their division, thus, entering the First round of the playoffs against a team other than the Pistons, You are a hater because all you want to see is the team win out the whole season, The Magic will advance to the second round and could make it to the east championship if the pick up their defensive intensity. Pistons are the only lock to win the East, the Celtics, with one of the easiest strength of schedule, and absolutlely no rotation that they can rely on will be exposed come playoff time. So i ask you again hater, How and who will sweep the Magic in the first round? cant wait for you to respond with a moot point.
GO Magic, support your team dont hate!!!
This post is probably why other Magic fans do not post because they would be trashed by some jerk for mentioning the obvious. The Magic are at the same place last year in the won lost column.
At the rate the Magic are going just getting to the playoffs will be a problem.
The Magic have something like 26 home games left and yet they cannot win at home. They are 6-9 in their last 15 games and 7 of those loses are at home.
Coach SVG loves to rant and rave then do nothing and hope that fixes the problems. The players realize that their coach is all bark and not bite so they can get away with missing shots and not making free throws and yes losing games without any real change.
I would love to see the Magic get better and win, but they haven't shown the will to do it home sweet home just isn't like it use to be.
big vern

Summerfield, FL

#30 Jan 7, 2008
Luke wrote:
The NBA need to update their current player database. Brian Cook is NOT 6 feet and 9 inches tall as what the official record shows--he is a 6'10" or a 6'11" forward. I know because I have been to some Magic games and I saw him towering over Pat Garrity and James Augustine.
so what does that make him a taller piece of crap....he's just as bad as garrity is...nothing to gloat about...
Luis

Austin, TX

#31 Jan 7, 2008
"Arroyo made his fourth consecutive start ahead of Nelson, but he struggled also with two turnovers in his 15 minutes."

Jammer had 3 TOs... and granted, he played more time, but please define the word 'struggle'
Nore

Clermont, FL

#32 Jan 7, 2008
Magic need to settle backcourt issues, add size to front court, and strengthen the 2-guard position.

This trade is what the Magic need. Cleveland wants bibby bad, but need a third party to trade. so here it goes:
Cavs get- Bibby, Dooling
magic get- Artest, Cedric Simmons, & Devon Brown
Kings get- Gooden, jameer nelson, garrity, & E snow.
This will give the magic added depth with simmons and brown, and a great 2 guard defender in Artest.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/tradere...
JLynx

Kissimmee, FL

#33 Jan 8, 2008
I say...

Consider upgrading the point but at least have Nelson come off the bench until he is ready.

Add a solid PF.

Move Lewis back to SF and Turk to SG.

Trade Cook (Please!), Garrity, JJ, maybe Dooling or Evans (but not both), and next year's #1 draft pick.

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Regardless of our current record though... this has been one of the more interesting years following the Magic.

Since: Mar 07

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#34 Jan 8, 2008
Luis wrote:
"Arroyo made his fourth consecutive start ahead of Nelson, but he struggled also with two turnovers in his 15 minutes."
Jammer had 3 TOs... and granted, he played more time, but please define the word 'struggle'
Nelson had one turnover against the Rockets.

http://www.nba.com/games/20080104/HOUORL/boxs...
JLynx

Kissimmee, FL

#35 Jan 8, 2008
Next year?

New PG/Nelson
New SG/Bogans
Lewis/Turk
Howard/Solid PF
Battie/Foyle

“Hate is a four letter word!”

Since: Dec 07

New York, NY

#36 Jan 8, 2008
Nore wrote:
Magic need to settle backcourt issues, add size to front court, and strengthen the 2-guard position.
This trade is what the Magic need. Cleveland wants bibby bad, but need a third party to trade. so here it goes:
Cavs get- Bibby, Dooling
magic get- Artest, Cedric Simmons, & Devon Brown
Kings get- Gooden, jameer nelson, garrity, & E snow.
This will give the magic added depth with simmons and brown, and a great 2 guard defender in Artest.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/tradere...
Artest is nothing but trouble, and right now he has to have surgery and is most likely out for the rest of the season.
He has so much baggage as in trouble that he is not worth the trouble. The Magic don't need this kind of player. Every team he has been at is very happy when they are able to get rid of him they just don't need the kind of trouble that he is.
javier3227

Indianapolis, IN

#37 Jan 8, 2008
Philip13 wrote:
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This post is probably why other Magic fans do not post because they would be trashed by some jerk for mentioning the obvious. The Magic are at the same place last year in the won lost column.
At the rate the Magic are going just getting to the playoffs will be a problem.

The Magic have something like 26 home games left and yet they cannot win at home. They are 6-9 in their last 15 games and 7 of those loses are at home.
Coach SVG loves to rant and rave then do nothing and hope that fixes the problems. The players realize that their coach is all bark and not bite so they can get away with missing shots and not making free throws and yes losing games without any real change.
I would love to see the Magic get better and win, but they haven't shown the will to do it home sweet home just isn't like it use to be.
Agree, all Ron jeremy does its talk and talk, always blaming someone, but he does nothing to help the team, RJ goe get a shhoting guard because we don't have one.
big vern

Summerfield, FL

#38 Jan 8, 2008
every body preaches defense but does little about it. every one says redick does not play because he sucks at defense but if that was the case over half of the magic starters should sit down because they don't play defense.

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