Orlando Magic's backcourt rotation remains in flux

The Magic's backcourt rotation likely will continue to evolve on this upcoming Western swing. Full Story
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El Magico

United States

#1 Jan 7, 2008
SVG are you a coach or are you guessing.

Nelson $35 Millions are making a lot of preasure
WP Bob

Winter Haven, FL

#2 Jan 7, 2008
At least Coach VG is flexible which is more than you could say about Coach Brian Hill. The season is still too early before we will know which method results in more Magic wins. This season could be a repeat of last year.
Travis UHS

Orlando, FL

#3 Jan 7, 2008
The magic are in the position I predicted they would be in this year.Just like last year they started hot then flamed out later in the season then lose in the first round(which is most likely what will happen this year)this is the same story slightly different characters. Where is Rashard Lewis and his 118 millon dollar contract(worst signing since hill and I will continue to say that till this guy is the go to guy the magic paid for.)Nelson is underachieiving but i understand seeing as his father passed away during the off-season, so stan has to find the right guy to run the team either someone on the roster or someone they need to put on it. Dwight isnt the same guy at home he is on the road which needs to change. Stan has got to motivate his team they dont look like they have any fire which fallls on the coaches shoulders. The magic will make the playoffs but be sweeped out just like last year. You people can call me whatever you like say im not a fan just a hater but I speak the truth and you will see once the season ends. The catastrophe I predicting is happening befroe all of our eyes.
El Magico

United States

#4 Jan 7, 2008
WP Bob wrote:
At least Coach VG is flexible which is more than you could say about Coach Brian Hill. The season is still too early before we will know which method results in more Magic wins. This season could be a repeat of last year.
I agree with you; But as a coach you could start or beanch a player just for one bad game.
El Magico

United States

#5 Jan 7, 2008
WP Bob wrote:
At least Coach VG is flexible which is more than you could say about Coach Brian Hill. The season is still too early before we will know which method results in more Magic wins. This season could be a repeat of last year.
I agree with you; But as a coach you could not start or beanch a player just for one bad game.

Since: Mar 07

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#6 Jan 7, 2008
I don't see how Arroyo can come in for much criticism here - his play has been much improved throughout December and January, and highlighting the two turnovers he had against Houston does him a dis-service when you consider that he has only averaged 1 turnover in the last 14 games. Everyone has off nights, but SVG did the right thing against the Rockets, handing out the minutes to the player performing best on the day. It's the way it should be, every game, at every position.

I stick by my comment made when Arroyo moved into the starting line-up - he deserves a minimum of 25-30 games to settle in and properly prove himself. One off-night should not see him moved back to the bench. Carlos played well leading up to, and since, his move into the starting 5, and Nelson has played pretty well off the bench. I would say keep them that way for the forseeable future.

Since: Mar 07

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#7 Jan 7, 2008
Also, nice to see Brian Cook putting in the hours. If the reports are true and he hasn't cracked the rotation due to low fitness levels and defense, then the only thing that will get him minutes is hard work. Let's hope he is up to it.
Norbert

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#8 Jan 7, 2008
I am not going to speculate about trades at this point. The best guard combination that we have is Carlos Arroyo as the starting point guard and Keith Bogans as the shooting guard. Jameer Nelson is great as a Vinny Johnson type of player coming off the bench. Stan can even play Arroyo and Nelson together in some situations, something I think he has not done all year. Kenyon Dooling is a good role player. He is not a point guard nor a shooting guard, but he is good aggresive player that is effective in specific situations. Regarding JJ Reddick, I think he has a future in the NBA as a bigger version of Steve Kerr. However, with all the good shooters that the Magic have in the starting line-up, Dooling is a more useful bench player than Reddick.

I believe the Magic will finish with the third best record in the East, and will win the first round playoff series against whoever finishes sixth. To have a chance at going furher, we need Dwight Howard to become a better free throw shooter. We also need more help at the power forward position. The Lewis-Turkoglu forward combination has worked well most of the time, but we need more help from a rebounding forward coming off the bench.I suggest to give more minutes to the alternatives we have (Foyle, Augustine, Cook and Gortat)to see if one of them rises to the occassion. If that doesn't work, then we would have to look for a trade.
Postdata

Arcadia, LA

#9 Jan 7, 2008
Norbert, you know your basketball. I agree with you.
Norbert wrote:
I am not going to speculate about trades at this point. The best guard combination that we have is Carlos Arroyo as the starting point guard and Keith Bogans as the shooting guard. Jameer Nelson is great as a Vinny Johnson type of player coming off the bench. Stan can even play Arroyo and Nelson together in some situations, something I think he has not done all year. Kenyon Dooling is a good role player. He is not a point guard nor a shooting guard, but he is good aggresive player that is effective in specific situations. Regarding JJ Reddick, I think he has a future in the NBA as a bigger version of Steve Kerr. However, with all the good shooters that the Magic have in the starting line-up, Dooling is a more useful bench player than Reddick.
I believe the Magic will finish with the third best record in the East, and will win the first round playoff series against whoever finishes sixth. To have a chance at going furher, we need Dwight Howard to become a better free throw shooter. We also need more help at the power forward position. The Lewis-Turkoglu forward combination has worked well most of the time, but we need more help from a rebounding forward coming off the bench.I suggest to give more minutes to the alternatives we have (Foyle, Augustine, Cook and Gortat)to see if one of them rises to the occassion. If that doesn't work, then we would have to look for a trade.

Since: Mar 07

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#10 Jan 7, 2008
What happens between now and the trade deadline could effectively shape the whole Howard-Lewis era. We know that those guys are locked in for the next 5+ years, so who they are surrounded with becomes parramount. To me, Orlando has the following chips to deal between now and the end of Feb:

Garrity (expiring)$4m
Arroyo (expiring)$4m
Dooling (expiring)$4m
Evans (expiring)$1.5m
Augustine (expiring)$0.6m
Redick (maybe attractive due to youth, shooting ability, also has a team termination option)$2m

You would guess that only one of Dooling or Arroyo would be dealt due to their both playing the same position, and dealing them both would leave Orlando with only Jameer Nelson at the point (unless another PG came back in return). Assuming only one of them is on the block, that leaves Orlando with roughly $12m in tradeable asset before the deadline. There was an interesting article here ( http://www.contracostatimes.com/warriors/ci_7... ) that suggested the Warriors might like an Arroyo or Dooling for Michael Pietrus deal, which if it happened would definitely give the Magic the upgrade they need at the 2 spot.

That would leave Garrity, Evans, Augustine and possibily Redick as chips to deal to rebuilding teams for a tough, definsive, rebounding forward. If you look at the teams which may be looking to give up on this season and rebuild, you have sides like Milwaulkee, Indiana, Sacramento, Memphis. From those teams, there are the likes of Dan Gadzuric, Jeff Foster, Kenny Thomas or Stromile Swift who could provide some help to Dwight Howard in the paint. Say a deal with GSW involved Dooling, a team of Howard, Jeff Foster, Lewis, Pietrus, Arroyo, backed up by a bench of Foyle, Turkoglu, Bogans and Nelson, would be pretty formidable.

One alternative which could turn Orlando into contenders overnight would be to forget about upgrading the 2 for now, and dealing $12m of expiring deals to Memphis for Pau Gasol. He is a little soft, but Gasol's face-up, high post game, complimenting Dwight in the low post and Lewis, Turk and Arroyo/Nelson on the perimeter would make Orlando a horror matchup for any team.

All of this is armchair GMing, of course - the teams mentioned above may decide they don't need to rebuild, or they or Orlando may not like the products on offer. Still interesting to speculate, though. All I know is, Otis Smith better have some plans for February, becuase once those expiring deals walk out of the door in the summer, there is no getting anything in return for them.
KGB

Orlando, FL

#11 Jan 7, 2008
A little disheartening stat is that on Jan 7 last year the magic were 21-14. Right now (Jan 7 2008), they are 22-13. Hopefully they get it back on track and not freefall like last year.
Funny

San Lorenzo, Puerto Rico

#12 Jan 7, 2008
Mitchell UK wrote:
I don't see how Arroyo can come in for much criticism here - his play has been much improved throughout December and January, and highlighting the two turnovers he had against Houston does him a dis-service when you consider that he has only averaged 1 turnover in the last 14 games. Everyone has off nights, but SVG did the right thing against the Rockets, handing out the minutes to the player performing best on the day. It's the way it should be, every game, at every position.
I stick by my comment made when Arroyo moved into the starting line-up - he deserves a minimum of 25-30 games to settle in and properly prove himself. One off-night should not see him moved back to the bench. Carlos played well leading up to, and since, his move into the starting 5, and Nelson has played pretty well off the bench. I would say keep them that way for the forseeable future.
I agree that they both have played well since CA is starting therefore it is to early to switch. There is not much you can do TO win having RL going from 4-15 and 3 TO. I think that we should keep the current rotation to let it settle down. Also would be wise to let CA play without external pressure (ie. trade rumors, BSm bias articles, etc., JN new contract) because at the end of the day what is important is to win.
el boricua

Bayamon, Puerto Rico

#13 Jan 7, 2008
Again I need to complain about the CA situation. How many times I need to say that SVG is not fair to CA. He has never give to him the opportunity that nelson receives donít matter if he plays good. These people that said here that the extension and Otis donít have anything to do with this I hope you are getting convincing that the decisions is based in their own prerogative (Otis) and not the team winning or performance.

“Hate is a four letter word!”

Since: Dec 07

New York, NY

#14 Jan 7, 2008
The only problem Mitchell UK is that the Magic picked up their options on JJ. That's right they picked both years up. The next two years they did that earlier this year.
You can check this out here, plus any other NBA player your heart desires. All of their salaries for all of the years in their contracts.

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/orlando.htm

“Hate is a four letter word!”

Since: Dec 07

New York, NY

#15 Jan 7, 2008
One more thing to add the Rockets have expressed interest in both Carlos and Dooling so does anyone know what the Magic can get out of that. The Rockets are hurting right now in the guard position.
el boricua

Bayamon, Puerto Rico

#16 Jan 7, 2008
Why SVG donít sit Lewis and bring him from the bench? Please everyone knows he has been the biggest problem so far.

“I thought it was chocolate”

Since: Apr 07

Oviedo, FL

#17 Jan 7, 2008
el boricua wrote:
Why SVG donít sit Lewis and bring him from the bench? Please everyone knows he has been the biggest problem so far.
Dont's bench Lewis. Just run some plays for him. He looks lost out there. He's supposed to be one of the first offensive options, but you never see the Magic run plays to get him the ball. He gets the ball if he happens to be open, then he's expected to create his own shot (which he's not good at). Run some plays for Rashard. Use him or lose him!

Keep JN as a backup (he plays his best ball this way) and let the other guys get used to one another.

Dwight needs help in there. Lewis is not a power forward. He and Hedo should not be on the floor at the same time. I think Hedo could be like a Ginobili coming off the bench.
KGB

Orlando, FL

#18 Jan 7, 2008
Hey Mitchell UK...
What do you think is causing the Magic to decline?
I enjoy reading your comments.

I'm not sure it's all about the Point position, though it does start there.
To win consistently we need to get Turnovers down to around 13/game. Howard, Lewis, Hedo, Jameer all turn the ball over a bit too much. We did a better job taking care of the ball earlier in the season...and when we did not, we shot out way out of trouble (shots are not falling as well as the were). We seem to have TO's at the worst times! We also need to up our free throws to about 75%. Hitting free throws does more than putting up points...it means your concentration level is high, and making the FT keeps your team on that high. It also makes the opposition play softer (tentative) defense.
Tony

AOL

#20 Jan 7, 2008
Mitchell UK wrote:
What happens between now and the trade deadline could effectively shape the whole Howard-Lewis era. We know that those guys are locked in for the next 5+ years, so who they are surrounded with becomes parramount. To me, Orlando has the following chips to deal between now and the end of Feb:
Garrity (expiring)$4m
Arroyo (expiring)$4m
Dooling (expiring)$4m
Evans (expiring)$1.5m
Augustine (expiring)$0.6m
Redick (maybe attractive due to youth, shooting ability, also has a team termination option)$2m
You would guess that only one of Dooling or Arroyo would be dealt due to their both playing the same position, and dealing them both would leave Orlando with only Jameer Nelson at the point (unless another PG came back in return). Assuming only one of them is on the block, that leaves Orlando with roughly $12m in tradeable asset before the deadline. There was an interesting article here ( http://www.contracostatimes.com/warriors/ci_7... ) that suggested the Warriors might like an Arroyo or Dooling for Michael Pietrus deal, which if it happened would definitely give the Magic the upgrade they need at the 2 spot.
That would leave Garrity, Evans, Augustine and possibily Redick as chips to deal to rebuilding teams for a tough, definsive, rebounding forward. If you look at the teams which may be looking to give up on this season and rebuild, you have sides like Milwaulkee, Indiana, Sacramento, Memphis. From those teams, there are the likes of Dan Gadzuric, Jeff Foster, Kenny Thomas or Stromile Swift who could provide some help to Dwight Howard in the paint. Say a deal with GSW involved Dooling, a team of Howard, Jeff Foster, Lewis, Pietrus, Arroyo, backed up by a bench of Foyle, Turkoglu, Bogans and Nelson, would be pretty formidable.
One alternative which could turn Orlando into contenders overnight would be to forget about upgrading the 2 for now, and dealing $12m of expiring deals to Memphis for Pau Gasol. He is a little soft, but Gasol's face-up, high post game, complimenting Dwight in the low post and Lewis, Turk and Arroyo/Nelson on the perimeter would make Orlando a horror matchup for any team.
All of this is armchair GMing, of course - the teams mentioned above may decide they don't need to rebuild, or they or Orlando may not like the products on offer. Still interesting to speculate, though. All I know is, Otis Smith better have some plans for February, becuase once those expiring deals walk out of the door in the summer, there is no getting anything in return for them.
Good stuff, I think they really need a dirty work type power forward who can rebound and defend and who doesn't need alot of touches. Reddick probably doesn't have much trade value he is making to much for what he brings to the table...any team could get a guy in the d league or europe for the minimum to do what he does.
Sixx

Olla, LA

#21 Jan 7, 2008
Right on, Tony. The guard issues are not the biggest concern with this team.

el boricua thinks SVG is not fair to CA..Does that mean SVG would rather take a loss using JN than play CA? I don't buy it for an instant.

Bring in a tough guy that can start at PF or center. DH is great but he can't do it all by himself.

Nice to read SVG is spending additional time with Cook, lots of luck there. Toss Gortat into the mix with Howard on the floor. It isn't like we need him to be a scorer.

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