Del Negro faces big decision

Del Negro faces big decision

There are 41 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Oct 26, 2008, titled Del Negro faces big decision. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Forgive public-address announcer Tommy Edwards if, come the Bulls' regular-season opener Tuesday, he's frantically riffling through his notes after intoning his familiar: "And now ... the starting lineup for ...

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jake

Portland, OR

#21 Oct 27, 2008
Ben Gordon dribbles with his head down and eats up the shot clock to take his shots. He makes alot but he destroys team flow.

Gordon also cannot play a lick of defense, even on shooting guards who are as small as him, which is rare in today's NBA.

Don't even get me started on Hughes. Get rid of this guy
as fast as possible. He wasn't even productive along Lebron James, so how the hell is he can thrive for the Bulls? He is not dependable. period.
jake

Portland, OR

#22 Oct 27, 2008
It's going to be a long year.

Since: Jun 08

Chicago

#23 Oct 27, 2008
All of my comments are assuming the Bulls WILL NOT make a trade. Paxson has this thing for guys from winning programs which I think is a mistake. He would never take a guy from say a Fresno State or any other mid major program. I think that is a big mistake. The other mistake that the Bulls and many other teams make is drafting players from DUKE!!!

Duke produces excellent college players but their NBA game sucks. Even if they have skills they lack heart and can't stay healthy (see G. Hill and L. Deng) Their PG's are true system players and there style of play does not translate to the NBA game where athleticism does count for something.

Since: Jun 08

Chicago

#24 Oct 27, 2008
The Bulls are stuck with Hughes because nobody wants his contract. Their best shot for a trade is either Gordon or Heinrich. Actually Gordon makes the most sense because he is a scorer. If he could ever accept the 6th man role he truly is he could be like Vinnie Johnson from the Bad Boys Pistons. Still score like 15-20 a game and still command a pretty penny.

I could really see Gordon providing instant offense of the bench in a 4th close game. He'd be fresh when the opponent is tired and he would be able to slash with easy against tired big men.

But I dream--Gordan really wants to run his own show and the Bulls will eventually let him leave like they did Jamal Crawford a few years back. The Bulls organization still believes "Organziations win Championships" instead of players.
jake

Portland, OR

#25 Oct 27, 2008
Kevin Pritchard has put together a Portland team that has roster balance.
Every single piece has a backup that can step into a starters' spot and fill their absence.

The Bulls should observe.
Byron

United States

#26 Oct 27, 2008
It will be a long yr. Pax you need to go. I though Krause made stupid mistakes but come on Vinny as a coach. The starters who ever they will be would be backups on any other team with the exception of Rose. Yes I included Deng! Chicago has to be in the top 3 as a city with the biggest idiots for Owners/GM's. This team has no sense of direction as an organization with the moves it has made in the last 10 yrs.
American First

Ellicott City, MD

#27 Oct 27, 2008
Damani wrote:
Whether we like it or not the starting lineup will be:
PG - Derrick Rose(no brainer, face of the franchise)
SG - Kirk Hinrich(would have been Hughes if not for the injury)
C - Drew Gooden(best low post option, Gray is way too slow for Del Negro's style)
SF - Loul Deng(if you think they are going to pay this guy that kind of money to come off the bench, then you need your head examined)
PF - Tyrus Thomas(along with Rose this guy is the future of the franchise, most athletic guy on the roster, Skiles and Boylan did a horrible job of developing this guy minutes)
Bench - Gordon, Nocioni, Noah, Gray, Thabo, and Hughes when he returns!
Del Negro will struggle to get these guys minutes which should finally force Paxson to get some guts and make a couple of 2 for 1 deals!!!
I agree with you that this is the most plausible line up; but in my view, based on politics.

What do you feel the best line up is though?
American First

Ellicott City, MD

#28 Oct 27, 2008
jake wrote:
Ben Gordon dribbles with his head down and eats up the shot clock to take his shots. He makes alot but he destroys team flow.
Gordon also cannot play a lick of defense, even on shooting guards who are as small as him, which is rare in today's NBA.
Don't even get me started on Hughes. Get rid of this guy
as fast as possible. He wasn't even productive along Lebron James, so how the hell is he can thrive for the Bulls? He is not dependable. period.
If he's that bad Jake: Why has the Bulls used him as the "go to guy" for the last 2 seasons; and he lived up to it? Why did he impress the league and win "6th man of the year honors. Pal, what you been "smokin" laugh
American First

Ellicott City, MD

#29 Oct 27, 2008
Rio Kidd wrote:
The Bulls are stuck with Hughes because nobody wants his contract. Their best shot for a trade is either Gordon or Heinrich. Actually Gordon makes the most sense because he is a scorer. If he could ever accept the 6th man role he truly is he could be like Vinnie Johnson from the Bad Boys Pistons. Still score like 15-20 a game and still command a pretty penny.
I could really see Gordon providing instant offense of the bench in a 4th close game. He'd be fresh when the opponent is tired and he would be able to slash with easy against tired big men.
But I dream--Gordan really wants to run his own show and the Bulls will eventually let him leave like they did Jamal Crawford a few years back. The Bulls organization still believes "Organziations win Championships" instead of players.
Let's just say Ben Gordon was put in the wrong situation. He can start in this league or he could be a six man either is fine with me; but, don't imply that some how that Ben hasn't bee a gamer. He has never complained the organization isn't always right.
Mgray

Riverdale, GA

#30 Oct 27, 2008
Byron wrote:
It will be a long yr. Pax you need to go. I though Krause made stupid mistakes but come on Vinny as a coach. The starters who ever they will be would be backups on any other team with the exception of Rose. Yes I included Deng! Chicago has to be in the top 3 as a city with the biggest idiots for Owners/GM's. This team has no sense of direction as an organization with the moves it has made in the last 10 yrs.
Couldn't agree more. One day before the opening tip and these clowns don't even know who the starters are. Lame is as lame does.
Paula Kerves

Crystal Lake, IL

#31 Oct 27, 2008
According to what their GM said some time back, the Bulls were supposed to be nailing down one additional low post option (to replace Joe Smith) over this summer. Unless that person is Michael Ruffin, I don't think that acquisition has materialized. Should we be asking what trades could happen during the season to rectify the lack of a genuine low post player?
slimBodidicus

Kansas City, MO

#32 Oct 27, 2008
The coach can't name his starters? That's what happens when you don't have any. Starters, that is.
Chris Carr

Chicago, IL

#33 Oct 27, 2008
sara palins toy, hilarious comment! jake, Portland hasnt accomplished anything yet, not even made the playoffs! why should the Bulls observe? At least the Bulls put together a string where they made the postseason several consecutive seasons in a row.
maddog

Chicago, IL

#34 Oct 27, 2008
I think they have to keep Heinrich around in case Rose gets hurt or doesn't develop as quickly as wanted. I think he still has value, but his game seems to be going backwards the last couple of years. But starting him at shooting guard makes no sense - he'd be a shooting guard who can't shoot.

Gordon will get traded because he wants big money and the Bulls won't give that money to him. He will always be a limited player because of the defensive mismatch he causes when he starts. He's too short for a shooting guard and his ball handling isn't good enough for a point.

Pat Riley famously said the perfect team would be five 6-9 guys who could run, and the Bulls came close with second threepeat team, with the exception of Luke. This team has players that could fit that bill - I don't know if they will start, but I want to see Rose, Thabo, Deng, Thomas, and Noah on the floor together for an extended time.
adam

Defiance, OH

#35 Oct 27, 2008
American First wrote:
So I go: Derrick Rose at Point G; Ben Gordon at shoot G., Tyrus and Deng at PFs; Gray in the Middle.
Thabo, Goodwin, Hughes, Nicioni, Kirk, Noah/etc., off the bench. Thabo can play point. Magic Johnson could play point and it didn't matter who the opposing gaurd was or how quick they were-same for Thabo. Thabo can shoot the outside jumper. Look folks, Thabo is in his 3rd year. He was a point gaurd coming in, like a Reggie Theus type. He was not giving a chance as a rookie. He played sparingly. The few times he has played he was used as a shooting gaurd because of the Bulls needs and not because he couldn't play point. I mean the Bulls tried Kirk Hinrich at point and Kirk is a shooting gaurd; the problem with Kirk is for his size he needs to make that 15 to 3pt shot frequently; he needs to be able to drive to the hoop and score or get fouled; he needs to be a great assist man; he needs to be able to dribble well to elude a man; Kirk does none of these things well enough to start or to justify 12 million salary that is more than every one on the team that is better than him. My God, Ben Gordon makes 4 million; Deng 6 million; Nicionio 8 million.
You repeatedly make ignorant comments about hinrich as the "white guy management has to play". Dude, give up on the race card. This isn't the 60's, there is no race issue here. If that was the case, don't you think the Bulls would've drafted someone else besides a black guy that they knew would take Kirk' spot. Everytime you post on here its something about race. So you lost my respect there. And then you further that by your comments about Thabo and Ben.

I like Thabo, but he is not developed yet offensively. And as far as playing the point, you're nuts. He is the worst out of the guards when it comes to ball handling. He has never played point guard in his professional career, both here and overseas, and you want to make him the PG just b/c he is tall like Magic Johnson. Google the draft from the year he came in and he is listed as a shooting guard. That's what he is except he can't shoot. And then as far as the contracts go, you do know that Deng makes 11 million for being a wingman that is afraid to go inside 15 feet and attack the basket right? Ben Gordon being better than Hinrich???? HAAAAAAAA. He isn't even the in the top 4 here. He can't handle the ball (watch the end of every qtr when he tries to penetrate and dribbles off of his foot). He shoots more inconsistant than any of the other guards scoring 30 one night and only 6 the next night. The only thing he does consistent is letting his guy go right by him to the lane.
Do us a favor and leave your mo.ro.nic. opinions off of here. Just save yourself the embarrassment and save us the racial bias.
adam

Defiance, OH

#36 Oct 27, 2008
American First wrote:
<quoted text>
If he's that bad Jake: Why has the Bulls used him as the "go to guy" for the last 2 seasons; and he lived up to it? Why did he impress the league and win "6th man of the year honors. Pal, what you been "smokin" laugh
What have you been smokin?(Seriously, no laugh) The league doesnt think very high of gordon, other wise teams would've offered something for himthe past two years when the bulls have made it known that he was avaliable. Or they could've just offered him a contract since he's been able to receive offers as a free agent the past two years. Guess how many teams even talked to him......TWO. TWO FREAKING TEAMS. One of them was the bulls. His value has diminished so much that he was going to go overseas b/c teams here don't want to pay for an undersized, lazy, selfish sg who has never played defense. And if your logic on him being good b/c he got an award two years ago for sixth man is good, than Kirk is a good pg b/c he was top three in voting for rookie of the year and also made 2nd team All-Defense 2 or 3 years ago.
So again I ask, What have you been smoking?
adam

Defiance, OH

#37 Oct 27, 2008
maddog wrote:
I think they have to keep Heinrich around in case Rose gets hurt or doesn't develop as quickly as wanted. I think he still has value, but his game seems to be going backwards the last couple of years. But starting him at shooting guard makes no sense - he'd be a shooting guard who can't shoot.
Gordon will get traded because he wants big money and the Bulls won't give that money to him. He will always be a limited player because of the defensive mismatch he causes when he starts. He's too short for a shooting guard and his ball handling isn't good enough for a point.
Pat Riley famously said the perfect team would be five 6-9 guys who could run, and the Bulls came close with second threepeat team, with the exception of Luke. This team has players that could fit that bill - I don't know if they will start, but I want to see Rose, Thabo, Deng, Thomas, and Noah on the floor together for an extended time.
Your lineup is very reasonable. I just wish Thabo would develop a better shot. Hopefully, consistant playing time will provide that.

The lineup that could've won this year instead of 3 years from now if I was GM would've been:

pg- Hinrich (or made a serious run at Baron Davis instead of offering Deng all that money)

sg- Thabo/Hughes depends on Thabo's progression on offense

sf- Deng/Noc if deng doesn't get his head out of his a.s.s

Pf- Michael Beasley- This guy would've opened up shots for everyone on the floor immediately along with atleast 16 and 9 every night.

C- Noah/Gooden- depends on matchups and Noah's ability to go 24hr's w/o smoking weed

Bench- Nocioni (6th man), Gooden/Noah, Hughes/Thabo, Thomas, Gray, Gordon
adam

Defiance, OH

#38 Oct 27, 2008
Also, about my post above, it'snot that I dont like Rose, I think he has shown he will be very good. I just think the Bulls would've been better had they gotten that go to guy down low to open up shots outside. That's what has hindered this team for the past 5 years, even when they were in the playoffs. Teams learned that they can smother the guards b/c they don;t have worry about any scoring down low.
Say NO to BO

United States

#39 Oct 27, 2008
Del Negro Face Big Decision

He sure does: how does one lead the richest nation in the world having no experience?
BIG Z FROM CHI-TOWN

Rockford, IL

#40 Oct 27, 2008
All u guys need to stop hatin on the BULLS!!! The are gonna be the suprise of the season just watch.. They need to trade Larry Hughes and either Ben Gordon or Kirk Hinrich but as much as I love Kirk I think they should leave Ben Gordon and trade Kirk.Then they can go with that smaller backcourt who cares they will always have Thabo for defense and Rose and play defense too. And they need to trade one of the forwards.. I think they should trade of Noah, Gooden and Larry Hughes for Emeka Okafor (who is very underated) from the Charlotte Bobcats and then trade Kirk Hinrich to the Miami Heat for Jason William who is a good back up for Derrick Rose or sign a reliable free agent point guard to back up derrick rose and the 2008-2009 CHICAGO BULLS LINE UP AND PLAYING TIME WOULD BE:

SF:LUOL DENG 35-38 MINUTES/GAME
PF:TYRUS THOMAS 30-33 MINUTES/GAME
C: EMEKA OKAFOR 33-35 MINUTES/GAME
SG:BEN GORDON 30 MINUTES/GAME
PG:DERRICK ROSE 38-40 MINUTES/GAME

6TH:ANDRES NOCIONI 25-28 MINUTES/GAME
7TH:THABO SEFALOSHA 20-25 MINUTES/GAME
8TH:AARON GRAY 15-18 MINUTES/GAME
9TH:JASON WILLIAMS 10-15 MIN/GAME

IF THE BULLS DO WHAT I SAID THEY CAN BE NBA CHAMPS IN 2 YEARS

WHETHER THEY MAKE THESE MOVES OR NOT I PREDICT 50-52 WINS THIS SEASON AMD DERRICK ROSE BEING THE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR WITH AVERAGES OF 15.5 PPG, 7.1 APG, 3.5 RPG, AND 1.5 SPG

AND ANDRES NOCIONI CAN BE THE 6TH MAN OF THE YEAR AND OFCOURSE BEN GORDON WILL NOT START THE WHOLE SEASON THEY CAN START THABO WHEN THE NEED VERY GOOD DEFENSE AGIANST THE OPPOSING TEAMS SHOOTING GUARD...TELL ME WHAT U GUYS THINK OF THIS...

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