Lakers too much for Bulls

Lakers too much for Bulls

There are 42 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Nov 18, 2008, titled Lakers too much for Bulls. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Pau Gasol scored 24 of his season-high 34 points in the first half, and the Lakers rebounded from their first setback of the season with a 116-109 victory over the Bulls on Tuesday night.

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Mark

Mundelein, IL

#23 Nov 19, 2008
I still can not understand why Del Negro allows Gordon to pound the air out of the ball while Rose sits in the corner waiting for a pass that will not arrive. Gordon is highly effective when Rose is creating shots for him, not when he is trying to create his own shot. How many times do I have to watch Gordon drive into a triple team and either throw the ball away or get stuffed. Looks like Deng pulled one of the greatest heists in Bulls history, big time bust. Noah is a joke, and needs to put down the bong. Paxson needs to trade for a real power forward and center (mission impossible) or he needs to resign.
Damani

Schaumburg, IL

#24 Nov 19, 2008
Terry wrote:
I'm a Cavs fan but I watched the Bulls-Lakers game last night. How come Vinny Del Negro doesn't start Aaron Gray at center instead of Joakim Noah? Noah looks awful and at times, wasn't even getting back on D. It seemed like Gray could at least bang around underneath and draw some fouls. Is Gray usually worse than this?
The only problem with Gray is that he is extremely slow and tends to get alot of fouls. He is the biggest body and best post player on the team which is a slap in the face to Paxson because Gray is a second string center at best in the NBA!
Damani

Schaumburg, IL

#25 Nov 19, 2008
Does anyone notice that Gordon and Rose are bumping heads on the floor. On a number of occasions last night Rose pretty much had to scream for the ball. Gordon continues to hog the ball while Rose sits in the corner. Gordon does not accept the fact that this is Rose's team. No one notices it when Gordon is hot, but this guy is clearly playing to prove a point. He has a chip on his shoulders and Paxson needs to call Donnie Walsh in January in send Ben home to NY!!!
Greg

Willowbrook, IL

#26 Nov 19, 2008
Hardliner wrote:
Vinnie Del Negro is NBA for Terry Bevington.
Great analogy.
American First

Gwynn Oak, MD

#27 Nov 19, 2008
Need answer which may tell us why the Bulls keep failing. The Bulls new picks in the middle are Noah and Grey, both 7 footers. 5 years ago the Bulls had Eddie Curry and Chandler. What package was better? What I have seen so far of the Noah and Grey I think personally that Curry and Chandler were better at the same stages of development and would suspect better as time go on. Curry played better than Grey does and stats will point this out. Chandler played better than Noah.

Okay, we know Curry had a little lazy streak or adjustment to the big time, but truthfully i think I'm correct.

This is why the Bulls keep digging the same hole they can't move out of. They seems not to improve from year to year with the player selection they have. Remember Elton Brand?
dils

United States

#28 Nov 19, 2008
CentrILMark wrote:
Ben Gordon shoots 6-22 and 3-11 on three's. Follow that up with three turnovers. I think for right now the Bulls/Vinny and the coaches are sold on Ben as the only way(other then Derrick) they can generate consistent offense. Some nights he'll hit all the shots and lead the team to offensive success, and others he'll be like he was against the Lakers; awful with what about 27% from the field. Those are D-League numbers and something you're definitely going to get some nights from Ben. Meanwhile such a gambling overreliance on an inconsistent player just shows how pathetic the coaches appraisal, and rightfully so, of our bigs, namely Noah and Thomas. Even Gooden looks lost on certain nights, making bonehead passes and overrelying on way outside jumpers. Still, at least he shoots a decent % overall from the field. Noce can get to the basket with proper spacing against teams not loaded with quality bigs like the Lakers are. Still, the Bulls are very limited with Bigs even with Gray because usually he gets whipped defensively and is a walking designated foul. It just so happens Gasol's game involves a lot of hooks and tunraround short jumpers that don't create contact so Gray was actually able to stay out of foul trouble. Hughes showed why he, like Gordon, is a one night wonder because his shooting % overall is lame, and he while playing some solid 'D' at times makes boneheaded decisions passsing the ball in transition which is not what you need from a slasher. Lets face it, other than Rose, the Bulls have a less than mediocre team unless Deng finds a way to get his shooting % back up in the high 40's instead of 39% he's pathetically at right now. Somebody please get reinsdorf to fire Paxson so we can get some better players to compliment emerging star 25 pts(on way over 50% shooting) 9 assts only 2 to's, Mr. Derrick Rose
I agree with some of the stuf you said and I agree that Gordon had a bad night last night but until last night Gordon's shooting percentage this year was better than Kobe's. Not comparing him of coure but just saying that Gordon has actually had a good year so far and is a top 10 scorer this year. His assist and rebounds are also up this year. Rose's assist number also went up since Gordon has been astarter and they play well together. it was just a bad shooting night for Gordon. Thr real problem with this Bulls team is not even their lack of an inside presence, It's Luol Deng. You needed Luol to improve this year and to live up to his contract. He hasn't. Not even defensively. He's given you nothing in terms of leadership or anything in terms of being a difference maker on the court. Paxson gave money to the 2 guys who aren't difference makers on their on team and then drafted a guy that neither of these 2 guys can play with. Nothing changes until you get rid of Kirk and Luol.
Rod from Tennessee

AOL

#29 Nov 19, 2008
Boy, it's sure a good thing that Paxson wouldn't give up Luol Deng for Gasol wasn't it. Where would the Bulls be without their all-pro Deng? Oh, What, Naw, Your kidding right, Luol Deng's not all-pro? Geez.. The name Paxson needs to be included in the 7 dirty words list. Fortunately, with Paxson's superstar probably going back on injured reserve, maybe Vinny might give Sefelosha a shot at the SF role. So what if he's a couple inches less than the superstar, i wouldn't think there'd be too much of a dropoff.
Mgray

Atlanta, GA

#30 Nov 19, 2008
Anyone noticed that Rose is averaging more points per game than Beasley whom some wanted 2 draft?
Kobe FAN

Springfield, TN

#31 Nov 19, 2008
absolutely noone can guard kobe and did you see how he just play with the bulls? He treated them like lil kids man! He could've dropped 70 pts if he wanted to, but he decided to play streetball with them.
Stephen

Houston, TX

#32 Nov 19, 2008
Kobe FAN wrote:
absolutely noone can guard kobe and did you see how he just play with the bulls? He treated them like lil kids man! He could've dropped 70 pts if he wanted to, but he decided to play streetball with them.
I agree. The final score was close, but the Lakers were never worried about losing. They had controlled the game from start to finish. Kobe is the best player in the league and has bee for several years. It reminds me of watching Jordan, when you just know he could do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted. I was all for the Bulls gutting their team last year to get Kobe, but we just had to keep Deng.

Oh well, we have Rose now and he is a stud.
Hilsto

Youngstown, OH

#33 Nov 19, 2008
The problem is clearly not with our current starting guards. They have consistently shown up each game or in the very least matched the production of their opponents. It's our big guys who are struggling and have been all season so far. All it takes is the other team to have a reasonably good big guy and we get blown out at those positions. It is hard to win games like that and you can't expect Rose and Gordon to just keep turning it up a level when they are already getting 20 some points a night each.
Hilsto

Youngstown, OH

#34 Nov 19, 2008
And the Lakers were never going to trade Kobe. They were just stirring up the drama since it is what Phil and Kobe live off of. I thought everyone knew that by now. Kobe was not going anywhere, certainly not for anyone one the Bulls squad. What superstar were we going to give them in return? It was never going to happen.
Pete

Paso Robles, CA

#35 Nov 19, 2008
I know many of us, myself included, have been down on Gordon but Gordon isn't the problem. Though he does need to be told to stop hogging the ball and to play within himself and to get the ball back to Rose, Gordon is a scoring machine that many teams would love to have. Unfortunately, he's probably gone after the season.

Our biggest problems now are 1. the bigs don't know how to play under the basket and 2. Luol Deng.

Imagine if our bigs could actually play. Rose would have 15 assists per game minimum and Gordon would be deadly every game.

As for Deng, he is a classic case of agents ruining the game. Deng is WAY overrated and I cannot believe Pax gave him that big contract. We are going to end up losing some better players because we won't be able to pay them. Pax was an excellent player and radio commentator but he has got to be one of the worst GMs in NBA history.
CO Bulls Fan

United States

#36 Nov 19, 2008
I listened to the game last night, and it sounded like an entertaining game for the first half, but with Kobe not asserting himself on offense till the second half, you knew the Lakers never felt threatened. Chuck Swirsky is terrible by the way. I'd give Neil Funk some time to adjust to TV. Deng gettnig hurt is the best thing that could've happened to this team. Start Noc! Bring in Thabo as a defensive stopper. Vinny should start rotating his starting bigs depending on the matchup. Start Gray against bigger teams like the Lakers and Cavs. Play Thomas and Gooden against smaller teams. Gray is slow, but you only need him for half court sets on offense. Rose beats everyone down the floor, so it doesn't matter how fast the center is. Rose is the man. I look forward to watching this kid for the next 10 years.
Fish

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#37 Nov 19, 2008
This team has no offensive firepower other than Rose and once every four games Gordon. This is a team built for DEFENSE, and yet they start Noah over Thomas, and one of the best defensive player (Thabo) sits on the bench.

As it stands we're not going to go out there and out shoot people. How about instead we play to our strength and put our best defenders out there.

ALSO, we need to get to the line!! We actually are shooting FTs well this year, how about more driving and drawing fouls and getting to the line.
mjh

Orlando, FL

#38 Nov 19, 2008
1 low % game for gordon an pple jump all over him... jus aint right.
Gator

Janesville, WI

#39 Nov 19, 2008
Half of you dont even seem to know what your talking about most of the time. I agree with mjh, Gordan has one bad game shooting this year so far and you jump all over him? I know he is selfish and a ball hog at times, but can you honestly see this team at 5-6 without him? I didnt think so and next year when he is gone, you will realize what we had.

And for all those of you that want to cut Paxsons head off and the comment by Pete that he is one of the worst GM's in NBA history proves what i said above, most of you dont know what your talking about. 3 years ago when the Bulls were winning 49 games, you all wanted to bow to Johnny P. Why dont we just bring Krause back, would that please you guys?
James

Schaumburg, IL

#40 Nov 19, 2008
complain about Deng, Hinrich, Noah, Gordon all you want. These guys just got to play harder.
Mgray

Atlanta, GA

#41 Nov 19, 2008
Gator,
U are funny. John Paxson is incapable of building an NBA team that can compete 4 a title. Imagine this team without Rose which fell into the Bulls lap. Paxson signed every player on this roster. That speaks 4 itself. The Bulls have had no low post presense since Scottie Pippen left 11 years ago.
Greg

Willowbrook, IL

#42 Nov 19, 2008
Mgray wrote:
Gator,
U are funny. John Paxson is incapable of building an NBA team that can compete 4 a title. Imagine this team without Rose which fell into the Bulls lap. Paxson signed every player on this roster. That speaks 4 itself. The Bulls have had no low post presense since Scottie Pippen left 11 years ago.
I don't think of Pippen as a low post presence. He spent a lot of time at the point or on the wings.

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