Shooter Now: Minnesota Twins should trade for Zack Greinke

Kansas City Royals' Zack Greinke warms-up prior to the start of the game against the Minnesota Twins on July 26, 2010 at Kauffman Stadium in Kansas City, Missouri. Full Story
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Fire Gardy Guy

Stillwater, MN

#1 Oct 19, 2010
As long as you still have the same head coach the final outcome will still be the same year after year!

Why?

We have gone through all star players and free agent players year after year replacing one with another hoping something pops us out of the first round but folks tend to forget the manager and coaches have been a constant and there lies the problem.

At least try a new manager with a new point of view with these star players then we will find out if it is the coaching or players themselves. Example....Dusty Baker was brought in to coach the Reds and this was their first playoff appearance in 15 god dam years!!!!!! along with tons of fired managers!! you tell me what changed there?

Next year will be Gardy's 10th season. Think about that and think of all the coaches we should have gone after in that time spand wasted on him. He is a great guy but not a proven playoff or championship caliber manager......bank on that.
twins 2011

San Francisco, CA

#2 Oct 19, 2010
shooter,
you're an idiot! why would you give up on your best young power prospect/player in young. if anythign you get rid of kubel or cuddyer who have shown over and over again they cant produce in the clutch and will only cost more money down the road. the twins already have wasted enough money with paying punto to be on the team. if a trade was to happen get rid of revere (a career single's hitter), blackburn, baker or slowey they're all the same.
Waswa

San Francisco, CA

#3 Oct 19, 2010
I don't see how acquiring a guy who has a history of anxiety problems is going to somehow help this team overcome their mental demons. That's like trying to put out a fire with a match.

Since: Jan 09

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Oct 19, 2010
Keep Young and include Cuddyer or Kubel in the trade. Move Young to DH, and Span to left. Get a real center fielder. Grienke is worth the price.
Milo Minderbinder

Arlington, TN

#5 Oct 19, 2010
Will the club have to pay for Mr. Zach's shrink?
Mark Hines

Milwaukee, WI

#6 Oct 19, 2010
I like the idea. They might balk at a trade within the division but the Twins are loaded on young pitching and outfielders in the minors plus I am pretty sure they will receive a number of picks on the free agents from this year. Rauch,Fuentes,Guerrier,Crain,P avano. Maybe once Cuddyer and Nathan's contract come off the books they might even be able to resign him.
Jordan

Saint Paul, MN

#7 Oct 19, 2010
Giving up Delmon Young, the guy who had the best offensive season on the team, with an upside of MVP proportions, and one of the only players who didn't embarrass themselves in the playoffs for a pitcher coming off a bad year? Delmon is gonna win a lot more games than Greinke is going to. Terrible journalism.
TtB

Hugo, MN

#8 Oct 19, 2010
A few years back the Twins had the AL MVP, Batting Champion, and Cy Young winner and they didn't make it past the first round. What's going to change now?
Ben

Red Wing, MN

#9 Oct 19, 2010
Shooter and Souhan must be conspiring to run Delmon out of town. Slowey and Hicks sounds about right to me.
Da Range Kid

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Oct 19, 2010
I agree, you could get rid of Delmon Young. Yes he was an asset offensively, but he can't run down fly balls. How many times this year did he just jog to get a fly ball only to have the runner advance another base? Move kubel to left and let Repko be the 4th outfielder.
no thanks

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Oct 19, 2010
Greinke's "off year" seems to be an off year and a half. Although KC has not been able to build anything around him, he has not been the same pitcher than was receiving Cy Young accolades. Delmon produced this year. Twins should have gotten Cliff Lee if they were serious about making a run deep into the post season this year. Thome is another year older. Morneau? Who knows if he'll even play again? Mauer can't keep getting abused behind the plate and keep up his numbers. They have a lot of things to figure out, and Greinke doesn't seem to be the answer in any of the scenarios needing to be addressed. If they can get him cheap, fine. Otherwise, we have enough question marks in the rotation already, not to mention position players.
Fire Gardy Guy

Stillwater, MN

#12 Oct 19, 2010
TtB wrote:
A few years back the Twins had the AL MVP, Batting Champion, and Cy Young winner and they didn't make it past the first round. What's going to change now?
Exactly my point. Folks tend to like a lovable manager but we have seen enough especially when the manager and his staff are the constant yet everyone is turning a blind eye becuase he is one of us.

Trust me I really wanted him to get us to a championship but when will that be and how many opportunity do you afford the guy since this is really his 9th season going on 10th. Remember Tom Kelly?

1987 World Series
A year after taking over the reins of the Twins from Ray Miller, Kelly took the team that he had helped build through his role as one of the top people in the Twins' minor league organization and led it to a World Series championship

Some managers are born championship winners and some just fall into one(Joe Girardi of New York Yankees & Jon Gruden formerly of Tampa Bay)
Mary Jane

Hartford, CT

#13 Oct 19, 2010
YES!!!!! Get rid of Young....he's going to be a cancer on this team. Ditch him now. Mark my words. He's no Twin.
Mary Jane

Hartford, CT

#14 Oct 19, 2010
And another thing. Managers lose games. Players win them. Look at Manual for Chrissakes....you could prop a cold dead Billy Gardner in that dugout and they'd still win the World Series.

Gardy is just fine. He didn't lose a single game for us this year.(Ulger lost two but that's a whole 'nuther story). We need the players. You've got to trade players that have value. Delmon has value. And he's an a-hole waiting to explode into another bat-throwing, fight-with-your-own-teammate-o n-the-field kinda guy. Get rid of him this off season.
Robbie

Edenton, NC

#15 Oct 19, 2010
Gardy has to go and I haven't heard one logical argument of why he should not be fired. It's like playing cards, if you're given a good hand but don't know how to play it, all the good cards are worthless in trying to win the game---Gardy has been given good cards and it's obvious he doesn't know how to play them. In fact regarding pitching I think he could write a book on how to turn a good thrower into s#!t. Send him out to pasture and send Anderson with him---time for a shakeup....
Matt

Belle Plaine, MN

#16 Oct 19, 2010
I think it's funny how people try to get rid of our players who had poor seasons for great players (I consider a CY Young winner a great player). Do you think a rebuilding team like Kansas City would want an old player with 1 year left on their contract (Cuddyer or Kubel) - there's no reason they would want that. I have been a big Delmon fan since he got here (he's still getting better - he's younger than Valencia), but if you can get a pitcher capable of winning a CY Young when he is focused, in a winning situation instead of a constant losing situation like KC, it would help out both teams. You have to remember, to get something of quality you have to give up something of quality.
jmsptrck

Chicago, IL

#17 Oct 19, 2010
twins 2011 wrote:
shooter,
you're an idiot! why would you give up on your best young power prospect/player in young. if anythign you get rid of kubel or cuddyer who have shown over and over again they cant produce in the clutch and will only cost more money down the road. the twins already have wasted enough money with paying punto to be on the team. if a trade was to happen get rid of revere (a career single's hitter), blackburn, baker or slowey they're all the same.
not sure you get how this works. the trade, to be successful, has to be attractive to both parties involved. not just one. do you seriously think the royals are going to take an aging cuddyer (and his $11M/yr contract) or an above average bat (at least in the regular season (not that it would matter to the royals) attached to a slow, sub-par outfielder/dh in kubel in exchange for grienke? helloooooo. anybody home?
Mike

Saint Cloud, MN

#18 Oct 19, 2010
I have no problem trading any of the players mentioned, but if Young goes, you only get one other starting pitcher. You're getting two professional players for one. And, I'd want him to sign an extension. If you want more players, give up a prospect.
Mike

Saint Cloud, MN

#19 Oct 19, 2010
Fire Gardy Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly my point. Folks tend to like a lovable manager but we have seen enough especially when the manager and his staff are the constant yet everyone is turning a blind eye becuase he is one of us.
Trust me I really wanted him to get us to a championship but when will that be and how many opportunity do you afford the guy since this is really his 9th season going on 10th. Remember Tom Kelly?
1987 World Series
A year after taking over the reins of the Twins from Ray Miller, Kelly took the team that he had helped build through his role as one of the top people in the Twins' minor league organization and led it to a World Series championship
Some managers are born championship winners and some just fall into one(Joe Girardi of New York Yankees & Jon Gruden formerly of Tampa Bay)
The Twins lucked into a World Series in 87 playing and winning at home. The 91 team was good and I don't remember us playing the Yankees to get there, do you? Fire Gardy Guy, get used to it. He's not going anywhere. You're wasting your breath.
Mike

Saint Cloud, MN

#20 Oct 19, 2010
Fire Gardy Guy wrote:
As long as you still have the same head coach the final outcome will still be the same year after year!
Why?
We have gone through all star players and free agent players year after year replacing one with another hoping something pops us out of the first round but folks tend to forget the manager and coaches have been a constant and there lies the problem.
At least try a new manager with a new point of view with these star players then we will find out if it is the coaching or players themselves. Example....Dusty Baker was brought in to coach the Reds and this was their first playoff appearance in 15 god dam years!!!!!! along with tons of fired managers!! you tell me what changed there?
Next year will be Gardy's 10th season. Think about that and think of all the coaches we should have gone after in that time spand wasted on him. He is a great guy but not a proven playoff or championship caliber manager......bank on that.
I think having Joey Votto hit 40 homeruns and Aroldis Chapman throw 100 mph might have helped old Dusty a little...

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