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Lawmakers should pay their own way - Hawaii Editorials

There are 36 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Jul 24, 2009, titled Lawmakers should pay their own way - Hawaii Editorials. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Having weathered the public outcry about their biggest wage increase ever, 16 Hawaii Democratic legislators have been spending this week at a national conference in Philadelphia at public expense.

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Lefty

Mililani, HI

#22 Jul 24, 2009
Once these legislators file for reimbursement for their expenses, is the Star Bulletin going to seek our, obtain and publish the final accounting? If reimbursement is taxpayer funded, then it is public information. I'd like to see what these crooks really charge off to government expense. First Class Travel? Concert Tickets? Family member travel? Bet its a lot more than what this article estimates.
rtkona

Honolulu, HI

#23 Jul 24, 2009
They are without shame or accountability -- UNTIL ELECTION DAY.
banzai

Honolulu, HI

#24 Jul 24, 2009
Wacko wrote:
When these corrupt public officials return to Hawaii, I hope they will do the honorable thing by paying for their own junket.
They should be reprimanded for what they have done and pay back as well as apologize to everyone in this State.
The honorable thing would be hari kiri.
I would be happy to be their second.
(I would have used the correct term, seppuku, but hari kiri is the vulgar form, and that's all these democrats are...vulgar).
3keys

Honolulu, HI

#25 Jul 24, 2009
Can we get a list of the legislators who are attending this conference?

Since: Feb 08

Kaneohe, Hawaii

#26 Jul 24, 2009
3keys wrote:
Can we get a list of the legislators who are attending this conference?
It was in the print edition yesterday but was not online. I can't find it on the web anywhere.

"How conveeenieeent."

P.S. I do know that Carol Fukunaga was one of them. Since she's my Senator I wrote to her. Everyone else should do the same.
agapito

United States

#27 Jul 24, 2009
Kauakea wrote:
Lingle did not go to the National Governors Association Conference last week because of the state's financial woes. Aren't the legislators aware of this situation? Talk about not even playing the role of being concerned about the "little people."
I suspect the main reason she didn't go is that she is a tad busy with negotiations.
Manoa

Honolulu, HI

#28 Jul 24, 2009
Unbelievable.
Arrogant, stupid, and insensitive.
In the light of everything happening, why would they do this.
There is absolutely no way to justify this (I expect them to try, but no, no, no-- cannot rationalize this one).
realmerv

Honolulu, HI

#29 Jul 24, 2009
Flexo wrote:
The democrat side of the aisle seems to have no shame when it comes to taxpayer money. They're an embarrassment to the party and to the state.
What do you mean an embarrassment to the party? They are all like that. They like anything free as long as someone else is paying for it. That's why they are known as Tax & Spend Democrats.

If you will notice, the Republicans don't do things like this because they are frugal and don't like to waste money ... even if it is someone else's money. Well, at least most of them.
realmerv

Honolulu, HI

#30 Jul 24, 2009
Mike wrote:
Editor: You are out to lunch as well. Do you honestly believe these pol's, will reimburse the state account? THese are the same people that voted themselves a raise, during funding cuts for school's,(kids), libraries,(kids), sports,(kids), health and human services,(kids adults elderly), literally every state service, these pol's are, have been, and will remain, blood sucking leeches who could care less about their constituents,(except when it's empty promise election time)
You deserve an "A" for your post!
ino

Haiku, HI

#32 Jul 24, 2009
i've noticed that carol fukunaga have taken a lot of junket trips at taxpayer expense. do any of you know if she missed any free junkets lately??
Fair and Balanced

Philadelphia, PA

#33 Jul 24, 2009
Lynn Finigan is a hypocrite! She and the other House Republicans go on plenty of trips. She went on a trip during the legislative session. If a Democrat did that they would be attacked. Gene Ward was not at the Special Session in July because he was travelling. Barbara Maramoto was eating lunch with the visiting Emporer from Japan at Washington Place and chose not to be in session representing her constituents. Wake up people.
Late Night Reader

Honolulu, HI

#35 Jul 25, 2009
There are a lot of assumptions that bloggers here are making that simply are not true. First, legislators did not give themselves a pay raise, in fact they haven't gotten a pay raise since the 90s, purposefully afraid of such criticism as found on these blogs. When salaries for any job are so low, you don't get the range of selection you would ideally want. In that time, unions have gone through at least 3 rounds of pay raises. The raises they did get were set by an independent third party to which the legislature has gone out of its way to not take it. Legislators currently make a lot less than what their credentials would give them in the private sector.

Both Dems and Reps do trips, the question really is whether or not the trips make sense for their value. If they do and better policies come out of it, then yes it is worth it. If not, then no. I cannot know if the knowledge gained may be worth it but I don't believe they would go without a belief that it would be. The public backlash for spending is high now and they are aware of that.

Lastly, money that is allocated for the legislative branch is separate from money for other programs such as education, transportation, etc. Thus, saving $50k doesn't mean at all that then now we can hire a new teacher. If the money is not spent here, the legislature will spend that money on something else within the State Capitol building and only there because that is the requirement for the funding. So the choice is NCSL trip or say $50k of improving the landscape at the Capitol.

The part that bothers me the most is, there are legit criticisms of monetary spending but without knowing the full details, the comments here can't be taken seriously and put into actions that can change the entire funding allocation strategy.

Since: Feb 08

Kaneohe, Hawaii

#36 Jul 27, 2009
Fair and Balanced wrote:
Lynn Finigan is a hypocrite! She and the other House Republicans go on plenty of trips. She went on a trip during the legislative session. If a Democrat did that they would be attacked. Gene Ward was not at the Special Session in July because he was travelling. Barbara Maramoto was eating lunch with the visiting Emporer from Japan at Washington Place and chose not to be in session representing her constituents. Wake up people.
First of all, in the interest of being fair and balanced, who paid for those trips? If they were on personal trips then what would be the problem. Ward could have had his scheduled far in advance. Who knows?

Per Coleen Hanabusa's statement, I understand that MarUmoto ate lunch during the lunch break that was held during the session as well.

What I do know is that the Dems sent 16 people to a trip that would have warranted, at most, 2 people ... unless it takes 16 people to deliver the equivalent brainpower of 2 normal people. Who knows?
Luger

Honolulu, HI

#37 Aug 14, 2009
Kauakea wrote:
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First of all, in the interest of being fair and balanced, who paid for those trips? If they were on personal trips then what would be the problem. Ward could have had his scheduled far in advance. Who knows?
Per Coleen Hanabusa's statement, I understand that MarUmoto ate lunch during the lunch break that was held during the session as well.
What I do know is that the Dems sent 16 people to a trip that would have warranted, at most, 2 people ... unless it takes 16 people to deliver the equivalent brainpower of 2 normal people. Who knows?
Do you really believe a person that attends a class, seminar, or conference can effectively convey what is learned to a bunch of people that didn't attend? To save on costs perhaps we could teach just a couple of students in every class at UH and let them rely everything to anyone else that wants to learn. Brilliant idea!
Big Al

AOL

#38 Aug 14, 2009
Scam!!!!!!!!

Since: Feb 08

Kaneohe, Hawaii

#39 Aug 14, 2009
Luger wrote:
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Do you really believe a person that attends a class, seminar, or conference can effectively convey what is learned to a bunch of people that didn't attend? To save on costs perhaps we could teach just a couple of students in every class at UH and let them rely everything to anyone else that wants to learn. Brilliant idea!
Of course they can. With regard to teaching, much of it is going online. Seems people can learn by reading without doing things in person. Been doing it for years, in fact.

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