Mets waste game for Vargas and unfort...

Mets waste game for Vargas and unfortunate fans

There are 18 comments on the Newsday story from May 14, 2008, titled Mets waste game for Vargas and unfortunate fans. In it, Newsday reports that:

Casey Stengel used to have a standard line for nights like Wednesday night, nights when his team played poorly, listlessly, stupidly or a combination of the three.

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Spencer, NY

#2 May 15, 2008
He's right. Fans are paying big bucks for a sloppy team.
Todd Schuster

New York, NY

#3 May 15, 2008
This team has no inspiration, no guts whatsoever. Seems like it's c arryover from 2007. It's like they don't give a damn. Heilman should have gone with Sosa & Figueroa, and Willie has no guts whatsoever. He's like la di dahing it like it's no big deal. IT IS A BIG DEAL!!!! Lost in the shuffle was a terrific performance by Claudio Vargas but was wasted by horrible offense & lousy pitching by Aron. Add to that Reyes getting doubled off by the line drive beltran made out & also Alou getting tossed by DeMuth by a close pitch that was off the plate. Moises is a veteran, he knows better. This came to fruition when Endy pops out with 2 men on. In the end, it comes up a loss. Now Pelfrey has the pressure on him to win & even the series against the lowly Nats. You should be able to do at least 5-2 against the doormats. Now it could be a 3-4 homestand losing 3 of 4 to the Nats. Absolutely inexcusable. Willie must go. He's lost this team. Bring Maz in. Need some fire. yes we have Johan, Maine & Ollie pitching in the Bronx but this team needs a fire lit from under them. PATHETIC!!!!!1

Boston, MA

#4 May 15, 2008
It's apparent that there are many problems with this team. I saw the do on Bobby Valentine the other night on ESPN2. I have to admit that with less talent, Bobby V's teams were a lot more competitive.

New York, NY

#5 May 15, 2008
How much longer can they let Willie kill any chances of making the playoffs? You can't blame Reyes for getting doubled up. It was a hard hit and most guys would have been doubled. They made a great play. Willie said that he needed Heilman to go 2 innings because he was short in the bullpen. Did he ever think of keeping Vargas in a little longer? Especially when he said he could have gone to 100 pitches and he only threw 87. Willie is a terrible manager and needs to go.
Salty Parker

United States

#6 May 15, 2008
After the game, "Comatose Willie" claimed he had limited options when he brought in Heilman. Schoenweis was at the hospital with stomach pains, Wise was unable to pitch three days in a row. However, "Comatose Willie" admitted Vargas could have thrown 100 pitches, yet he took him out at 87. The Mets need Heilman to get straightened out especially since their pathetic starters, other than Santana, do not pitch deep into games. The Mets offense contributed mightly to the defeat. Tim Redding is not Cy Young yet these days the Mets make everyone look like Cy Young.
Enough of Randolph

Milford, MA

#7 May 15, 2008
Willie Randolph should have been fired last year after the Mets collapse when Torre and Larussa were both available to replace him. Now there is noone available of that caliber to replace him. Unfortunately though he does not seem to be able to motivate this team. They have too much talent to hover around 500.
Charlie the tuna

Atlanta, GA

#8 May 15, 2008
Again...Randope, Petersen & Heilman MUST GO !!!!!!!!!!

Brooklyn, NY

#9 May 15, 2008
Y'know, I was planning to come in all the way from central NJ to see a few more games at Shea this year, but with the way the Mets are playing, I may just take a pass. If they play like they don't care, then why should I bother taking all that time and spending all of that money?

If I want to see a minor league team, I'll watch the Somerset Patriots. At least ticket prices are lower there, and it's 15 minutes away.

Trimmed the attendence? Indeed.

Trumbull, CT

#10 May 15, 2008
Just another example of why Randope is not qualified to manage this team. How many times do the Mets have to get burned by using HELLman before Willie sees the light?
First it was Guillermo Mota then Sosa and now Heilman.
Some people never learn.
Could have gone with Sanchez, Smith, Feliciano, Wise but picks Heilman. What an amazin manager we have.
Sadly Not Speculation

Elmhurst, NY

#11 May 15, 2008
May be time to investigate the Mets for covering up Jose Reyes' cocaine problem, which may help both Reyes and the Mets in the long run, WM. Visually, Mets fans know they suck. However, a little investigative journalism may show why.

Carrollton, TX

#12 May 15, 2008
Actually, Vargas threw 97 pitches and was in a jam. (Look at the box score next time, Wal-Mat) He hadn't thrown a game in the major leagues since last September. So I don't blame Willie for pulling him. Heilman has to do his job in that situation, and he didn't get it done.
Rich Yacenda


#13 May 15, 2008
Wallace when you write good i gott tell you necause i blister you a lot.Great write up.on the money Ifelt Willie was having brainiacs all night but why Heilman.the object ist win that game.we drop Sosa and Figuerora to make room for Wise...No wise....NO Smith who was ready...Heilman should be pulled as soon as Nats went ahead 3-2. He was awful..looked scared.The only answer for Heilman is to have bench call the pitches.
Rich Yacenda


#14 May 15, 2008
All of you guys writing today are right in your comments,except the cocaine writer...a very serious charge out up or shut up.I agree Willie is a lousy manager and a lousy judge of talent.He was very neagative about Reyes four years ago and never got on board with Wright unil he really proved himself. Mazzilli is not a bad idea but neither is Valentine. Even the Kid
Carter could work. C"mon Minaya it's your butt too. Step up.

Pearland, TX

#15 May 15, 2008
Hey Wallace. Su ck my balls!

Huntington Station, NY

#16 May 15, 2008
willie randolph contimues to prove why 12 gms who said no thanks willie were right. the guy cant manage the game, he cant manage starting pitching and he cant manage a pen. send windmill willie back to the bronx where he belongs. he certainly isnt a manager. good job omar and wilpon for picking this i diot.

“27 wins”

Since: Jan 07

Bradford, PA

#17 May 15, 2008
Rich Yacenda wrote:
(remarks clipped) Mazzilli is not a bad idea but neither is Valentine. Even the Kid Carter could work. C"mon Minaya it's your butt too. Step up.
It's not just Minaya's butt, it's HIS team. He handled the off-season trades and has given Randolph a suspect bullpden to begin with. Omar should be fired, too.

Schaumburg, IL

#18 May 15, 2008
Since last June, the Mets are proving completely incapable of being respected by their fans. We resent a highly-paid team whose trademark is underwhelming, uninspired play half the time. This club is totally out of sync, dependent on unlikely players to deliver. Where would this team be right now without Church, for example. Team offense so erratic, it cannot be counted upon for any "big" games if, in fact, this team will play in many more big games. Only the sad-sack NL provides enough illusion to keep fans from facing the truth about the mediocrities the Mets have become. At the quarter mark, no one is using the "it's still early" rationale. The team does not have the talent to run off any appreciable winning streaks no matter how soft the schedule. There is no longer any audience for phony optimism a' la Randolph's annoying press quotes. What's wrong with blasting these zombies when it's deserved? The team stays with unproductive -no, damaging- players way too long. We all know who they are. Soon, if no changes are made, the Mets will become irrelevant before the All Star break and it will be fully deserved. The game itself is boring enough without watching this lousy play. This style of play can no longer be dismissed as transitional and harmless. This style of play is actually New York Mets baseball. It's not going away.

Tucson, AZ

#19 May 15, 2008
Where do I start? How many games do the Mets plan to flush down the drain in an attempt fix Heilman's problems?

This team is making an art out of taking called third strikes that are simply too close to take. Whatever happened to putting the close two strike pitch into play - protecting the plate?

They lost today, Thursday, by the one run that they did not hustle for earlier in the game.

Unfortunately, a team that is not motivated, going through the motions in the matter of effort - there is no slump for effort - is an indictment of the manager. I know they will say that it is one game and we have to put it behind us, but didn't they lose the pennant last year by one game?

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