Loewen hit hard in loss to Cardinals

Loewen hit hard in loss to Cardinals

There are 26 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Mar 19, 2008, titled Loewen hit hard in loss to Cardinals. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

Orioles manager Dave Trembley wants his rebuilding club to emphasize pitching and defense this year, the same blueprint used to construct past pennant winners.

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Allentown, PA

#1 Mar 19, 2008
this kid has talent but anybody who thinks he heathy also belives the orioles can rebuild buy getting ripped off on big name player trades ,with exception to adam jones who will be gone too in 4 or five years too.

United States

#2 Mar 19, 2008

United States

#3 Mar 19, 2008
I attended this game. I think the batting practice pitcher had better stuff than Loewen had today.
Doug M

Naples, FL

#4 Mar 19, 2008
He has only pitched 7 1/3 innings in just under a year. He is gonna need some time to figure it out again.

Mark if you think we got ripped off in those trades, I think you are not seeing the big picture at all.
Ghost Oriole

Philadelphia, PA

#5 Mar 19, 2008
Fortunately, if Loewen fails the O's can plug in...ummm....ahhh....

It still cracks me up that the faithful are "looking forward to seeing what the prospects can do."

I suppose they've never heard of minor league baseball. Well, they're going to see plenty of minor league quality in Baltimore this year.

This could be the worst Oriole team in many decades. It's realllllly bad.
fact check

United States

#6 Mar 19, 2008
Let's see; Loewen has a 12+ ERA. I'd say there should be a lot of concern. Look at the ERA of the staff so far. True, it's only spring training, but that spring training is now less than two weeks away. It's going to be a long year. Very, very long.
Ghost Oriole

Philadelphia, PA

#7 Mar 19, 2008
The huge mistake that McPhail is making is seeking quantity instead of quality.

The O's basically got nothing in exchange for Tejeda. Luke Scott is already on the downside of his brief career and a marginal player at his peak. The balance of the pitchers from that trade are hurt or non-entities. They'll be lucky if even one player survives three years with Baltimore.

Adam Jones should be a good player, and the others will fill in, but the O's traded a HUGE player in Bedard. When the Marlins traded Beckett they received Hanley Ramirez. Baltimore could've received a lot more than Adam Jones in exchange for Bedard.

He was worth two major prospects, not a prospect and a bunch of filler.

The proposed Roberts trade will deliver another pile of marginal players. What's the point?


#8 Mar 19, 2008
Man, I don't know? I think any ray of hope I had for the O's is gone.
Watching the Parade in '54 and ALL those Great pitchers we had - and the game was So much fun!!
Now, 10 losing years - and now a definite LAST place, we can't even beat the "Rays"
Maybe watching Mt. St. Joe's Texiera at Atlanta Braves will help?????
Ghost Oriole

Philadelphia, PA

#9 Mar 19, 2008
Want to know the real reason (Angelos' fault) the O's are so bad?

A COMPLETE LACK OF EFFORT IN THE INTERNATIONAL MARKET. Baltimore doesn't even pretend to try and sign players from outside the U.S. any longer. It's just absurd.

Just like everything else associated with the team, it shows poor planning and a desire to fail.

Seriously, can anyone even name the last good international player signed by the O's scouts?

Ponson is the best I can remember, and he signed over a decade ago (if you call that 'good'). Armando Benitez comes to mind, but he must have signed 15 years ago or more.

Imagine how good the team could be if they forked over some money to young players from the Dominican instead of Aubrey Huff and Danny Baez?!

United States

#10 Mar 19, 2008
Loewen's rusty it's almost to be expected, if takes until June for him to find his groove so be it.

Ghost, A) It's too early to determine the outcome of our recent trades B) We are now pouring money into the Dominican, establishing a new complex there. C) Why dont you go root for the Phillies?

Baltimore, MD

#11 Mar 19, 2008
Props to Keith Law of Scouts Inc, who said last year that Loewen would never get his control back after his last arm injury. That was before this injury! I say the over under on starts for him this year is 10 and I take the under.

Baltimore, MD

#12 Mar 19, 2008
Ghost Oriole what are you talking about? Tillman is a HUGE prospect and Butler and Mickolio are projects with big upside. Patton and Albers are legit #3 or 4 starters for a guy who may be 35 and had no other takers! MacPhail fleeced those teams. He still needs this years and next years draft to round out the farm system and he needs Sherrill,Hernandez and Mora to have decent years to get more good players in the system. A "legit" rebuild takes time. If we don't have a top five farm system by 2010 I'll be stunned. Then it becomes will Angelos let him spend the money to augment the young talent and keep the young talent. That's a whole other matter!

Webb, AL

#13 Mar 19, 2008
I join Warthog in having watched the game in Ft. L. today. Loewen was a disaster. Is this "rust" or is this just a pitcher who can't pitch? I have no idea at this point. But, if he does not improve soon, the O's will lose 100 games easily.

Dearborn Heights, MI

#14 Mar 19, 2008
I still think the O's are headed in the right direction. Yes, the next couple of years will be difficult, but the future looks promising. Had Bedard left on his own, the O's would have had nothing in return. Tejada's skills were slowly going downhill, but at least the O's got something for him. I'm willing to be patient. I've waited 10 years, what's a couple of more.
Ghost Oriole

Philadelphia, PA

#15 Mar 19, 2008

Patton has a torn labrum and fewer than 10% of pitchers recover from that surgery. He's done. You should read the paper.

Albers is a middle-range prospect who did OK at AAA and has been shelled in MLB so far. Nothing special. He might stick on the big team at age 26 or 27. That's hardly a high achiever.

Tillman has a career minor league ERA of 4.91. When you said HUGE were you talking about his ERA? Maybe he'll mature into a decent pitcher, but he's nowhere close at this point. He's been racked at Single A level.

You don't seem to realize how few players even make it to MLB much less play at a high level.

I'll stand by my assertion that Jones is the only player who makes it three years with the ML squad.

You're drinking the Kool Aid.
Ghost Oriole

Philadelphia, PA

#16 Mar 19, 2008
Yes, the next couple of years will be difficult, but the future looks promising.

I don't know what people are seeing.

Weiters might become the next Ramon Hernandez, IF everything pans out.

Reimold might become the next Melvin Mora IF he advances quite a bit.

One of these piching prospects might surprise and become the next Daniel Cabrera.

So if all those "maybes" come to pass, the team will look like it does now in a few years.


If just a few bad things happen and Angelos continues to spend time above ground, the team is within a whisker of become baseball's worst for a long, long time. They've been circling the bowl all decade, and the water is quickly draining from the bowl.

Doesn't anyone see that Angelos has slashed payroll and no one is signed past 18 months from now?!!!

The 2010 team could have the lowest payroll in MLB!
Attila the Hon

United States

#17 Mar 19, 2008
Crystal Palace Baltimore.
The second season begins on F. 4/25.
Season tickets still available - only $125.
Individual game price is just $16.
Log on to crystalpalaceusa.com .

Ghost Oriole

Philadelphia, PA

#18 Mar 19, 2008
Tejada's skills were slowly going downhill:

2005 26HR 98RBI .304BA
2006 24HR 100RBI .330BA
2007 18HR 81RBI .296BA

Yeah, what a loser. Gee, horrible stats. I didn't like his attitude either, but he was still the most valuable offensive player on the team.

Let's see how his replacements are doing (Fahey/Hernandez combined Spring 2008):

59AB 15H 0HR 8RBI 1XBH

ONE extra base hit in 59 AB's! Such awesome power.

If the O's play either of those guys they may well set the record for the lowest production in 30 years at ANY position on an AL team.

That's where we find ourselves. And there isn't a single SS prospect in the system worth noting.

United States

#19 Mar 19, 2008
Attila the Hon wrote:
Crystal Palace Baltimore.
The second season begins on F. 4/25.
Season tickets still available - only $125.
Individual game price is just $16.
Log on to crystalpalaceusa.com .
Is that football? Sorry, I watched my last game as of 3/30/1984 and haven't missed it at all. If it's soccor or lacrosse, man kill me first.

Fort Washington, MD

#20 Mar 19, 2008
Concerned? Heck, I'm panicked, and it's not even April.

And Joe, Crystal Palace is a soccer team. I don't know why attila's promoting it here, though. I guess because it doesn't cost anything.

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