Mets show they're alive, it's NL East...

Mets show they're alive, it's NL East in coma

There are 20 comments on the Newsday story from Jun 26, 2008, titled Mets show they're alive, it's NL East in coma. In it, Newsday reports that:

The Mets are like that cold, creepy hand that comes up out of the grave and grabs your wrist just when you think they're dead and buried, nothing but a bunch of stiffs.

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Robert Cintron

United States

#1 Jun 26, 2008

You forget to mention Aaron Heilman as a goner together with El Duque, Pedro, Moises and Delgado. Maybe it is because we have not seen Heilman that much lately. Thank You Jerry.

On second thought, I’ll keep Pedro until the end of the season. His 12-15 wins will be necessary.

Rockville, MD

#2 Jun 26, 2008
They'd better get healthy, quick. They're not "vaulting" over anybody with Fernando Tatis, Endy Chavez and Marlon Anderson in the lineup every night.

Since: May 08

Whitefield, NH

#3 Jun 26, 2008
They're still a .500 team, and I can't see anything changing that in the near future. The only consistent thing about this club is its inconsistency.

The core of a winning team is already here, but that core is surrounded by mediocrity or outright ineptness. For now, it looks like we're stuck with what we've got. Depending on how poorly the rest of the division does, this is a second or third place team. And no, I don't think Jerry Manuel can work miracles.
Todd Schuster

New York, NY

#4 Jun 26, 2008
The National League Least I call it. Mets are going to be a 500 team, probably 80-85 wins, yet in 1973 the Mets won the NL East with an 82-79 record, & also shocked the Reds in the NL playoffs winning the pennant then losing to the A's in 7 in the Fall Classic. being the big Mets fan that I am, remember what the late Frank Edwin "Tug" McGraw once bellowed. YA GOTTA BELIEVE!! I'll believe it when they win 10 of 12 in a stretch.
Gil Hodges

Mastic Beach, NY

#5 Jun 26, 2008
This is the article that Wallace Matthews should have written yesterday if he'd only do a little research before pontificating about how bad the Mets are.
haywood jablomee

United States

#6 Jun 26, 2008
They only had five hits last night. There are only three players that can be counted on, Wright, Beltran(sometimes) and Reyes. The rest of the offensive roster looks like a last place team. With that said, three players cannot win a championship especially when the pitching isn't that good.

Melville, NY

#7 Jun 26, 2008
Gil Hodges wrote:
This is the article that Wallace Matthews should have written yesterday if he'd only do a little research before pontificating about how bad the Mets are.
I don't like Wallace Matthews either... but the Mets ARE a bad team.

Just accept it and look forward to the future.

“A-Rod face lift time!!!”

Since: Jun 08

Hollis, NY

#8 Jun 26, 2008
I wouldn't say a bad team just a mediocre team and the reporter was saying that the rest of the divsion isn't that much better. They are considered a bad team only because expectations were high and have underachieved..
Busey wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't like Wallace Matthews either... but the Mets ARE a bad team.
Just accept it and look forward to the future.

Melville, NY

#9 Jun 26, 2008
A-Rod Choke 2004 wrote:
I wouldn't say a bad team just a mediocre team and the reporter was saying that the rest of the divsion isn't that much better. They are considered a bad team only because expectations were high and have underachieved.. <quoted text>
True they have unachieved.

However, if the division wasn't such a joke, they would be buried 10 games back by now.

I, for one, didn't think they were going to make the playoffs, I thought they were overrated and too old in many keep positions.

They have young enough starts like Wright and Reyes to just accept this lost year and rebuild the farm system

Rineyville, KY

#10 Jun 26, 2008
I don't know what everyone's freaking out for. A strong and 'healthy' second half and this team can take the division.
And say what you want about the NL East or the NL in general, but I don't see ANY powerhouse team out there tearing up any of the leagues in the AL or NL.
This whole season has been mediocre for every team in the league.
Sure the Cubs have the leagues best record, so what. Zambrano is already hurt and that team is known for having untimely injuries down the stretch.
Boston is without Ortiz and Schilling and even when Ortiz comes back, who knows how he'll play.

My point is EVERYONE, barring a few teams, is underachieving. It is going to be another tight race for division titles this year and even tighter for the Wild Cards. All you can ask for at this point is that your team is in the hunt, which the Mets are.
Believe me, the way season has unfolded so far has me less then happy, but injuries happen and I'm not throwing in the towel just yet.
The Phillies last year played mediocre for most of the season and then at the last moment they got hot. Same for the Rockies and look where it took them.
This team has enough talent and is more then capable of going on a hot streak. Their seriously due one anyway.
Sure it would be nice to go wire to wire in first, but not every year is going to be like that. They're not out of it yet. The rest of July and August will tell the tale.

Orlando, FL

#11 Jun 26, 2008
I always like whenever teams in the AL are all close to one another its "parity" they all are good and just beat up on each other...but in the NL when you have "parity" its because all the teams stink. Truth is, the mets have a wiing record against the AL, and the AL is not as dominante as the thought they once were.
Common Sense

United States

#12 Jun 26, 2008
Hernandez, Delgado, Alou, Martinez and possibly Perez (if some consistant free agent pitcher is avaialable for 7+ mill) should all be gone by October. But do you believe Minaya will do it? If they make the playoffs it may not be so obvious and too much may be forgotten. As a Met fan I want them to make the playoffs and also Minaya to have a better plan. They are not a great team but one hot streak may do it.

Melville, NY

#13 Jun 26, 2008
Its hard to go on a long streak when the only players you sign are aging latin players.

Joshua Rosenstock

Elmhurst, NY

#14 Jun 26, 2008
You forgot to mention that all of this bad NL ball was played against the AL. There is no doubt which league is superior which is why it has become obvious that the DH is a good idea whose time has come and should now go.


#15 Jun 26, 2008
It's the most insane,unbelievable, screwed up first half of a season
I have ever seen and brothers i have been seeing them more than most.3 1/ 2 out with the crap year the Mets have had Yuck. But we will take it and hope. Sorry Willie it wasn't your fault after all. Manuel is no genius but he is wacky enough to declare his ome of his players should go out with yeterdays garbage. Good Nuff
b carey

Bohemia, NY

#16 Jun 26, 2008
i'll agree that its crazy how such a mediocre and inconsistent team can be so close to first this late in the year, but just think where they'd be if they didn't go 5-5 in their last 10. if they went 8-2 like the brewers they'd be a game out.

let's not pat 'em on the back for sucking.

Colnbrook, UK

#17 Jun 26, 2008
Gil Hodges wrote:
This is the article that Wallace Matthews should have written yesterday if he'd only do a little research before pontificating about how bad the Mets are.
Now that Willie is gone, the team is playing much better. I just can't believe how good the mariners are! I predict them to be WS champs!

Since: May 08

United States

#18 Jun 26, 2008
Although I can appreciate a writer showing some ba$$s, I can also notice a below-the-belt shot when I read one.“Gangsta Jerry – has taken his place, talking way too flippantly way too often for a man who supposedly reads a lot of deep books.”

If I may Miss Howard, flippantly is quite a serious word directed towards a brand-new, New York manager who I’m rolling the dice on by saying that you’ve probably never even met the guy. Am I right? In addition, I’m not able to view anyone in a serious manner if they cannot backup their statements with facts. Thus, would you kindly amuse all of us here by quoting Jerry Manuel on when he acted flippantly?

I’m an honest person, so I admit that I had little clue as to the definition of flippantly, so I did my research by looking-up the definition. Further, the word is described as such: shallow, disrespectful, and lacking seriousness.

Nonetheless, when did reading a lot of “deep books” make anyone more special, intelligent, and better than someone else? If I may summarize your thoughts, than it seems like you find Jerry “Gangsta” Manuel to be communicative in a shallow and disrespectful way – which surprises you since you believe that Manuel “supposedly” reads a lot of “deep books.”

Please define “deep books” for us too, Miss Howard.

I can understand how you may be against Manuel’s “she” and “ladies on the bus” comments, however, I don’t believe your anger should have you take an unprofessional shot at a Man. I never read anything to which Jerry Manuel references you—Johnette Howard in any press conference, media meeting, post-game conference, pre-game conference, dugout talk, reporters meetings, etc., etc.

So, why would you find the need to basically callout someone who probably has no idea who you are?

Furthermore, since when is a coach the “Face of The Franchise?” Moreover, since when has the saying moved to,“Jerry Manuel gets the franchise tag as the NY Mets’ manager?” Mr. Jerry Manuel is the NY Mets’ manager. Manuel holds the accountability to motivate and lead his team to being the best team possible.

Finally, call me flippant – because I kindly need for you to now describe,“cage-rattling gestures.”

Again, call me real flippant – because since when did a professional manager cease communication with his players instead of coaching them to do something like – steal more bases? If you truly believe that a New York Leader is not suited for their job after pushing a player to do more of something they’re good at, than just call me a flippant-flippin’ person.

A good soccer player should shoot the ball more often; a hockey player is more likely to score if they shoot the puck more often; a basketball player is bound to score more points if they just shoot the ball more frequently. You get the point, right?

The bottom line is that Jerry Manuel was a MLB Coach of The Year, added to his effective motivational tactics and leadership qualities. The NY Mets needed a change; welcome Jerry Manuel, who took the bull by the horns and got right into business. And ya know what – if he has to talk about how changes may be near, while not caring a penny about contracts and money; the players who produce and are accountable will be in the lineup. Period.

We should be excited to hear something emotional come from the manager, because if you think this manager and this team will sit on their hands, close their eyes, and bite their lips – well Johnette Howard – you just wouldn’t have anything to write about.

Let’s Go Mets!


#19 Jun 26, 2008
I think that the Mets are going to win the National League East. They just need to go on a little hot streak and they will be back in first place. I think that they need to take Oliver Perez out of the rotation and put him in the bullpen because he is just too inconsistent, you never know what you are going to get from him. Jerry Manuel is doing a good job as manager. Maybe a couple of more games and we should be close to the top of the divison. LETS GO METS.
Ron Balloons

Bronx, NY

#20 Jun 27, 2008
Lets Go Mets

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