Club releases Loewen, but likely not ...

Club releases Loewen, but likely not for long

There are 61 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Oct 21, 2008, titled Club releases Loewen, but likely not for long. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

To make room on their 40-man roster for a quintet of injured pitchers, the Orioles released 2002 first-round draft pick Adam Loewen yesterday and outrighted five players to Triple-A. Loewen's release ...

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Ghost Oriole

Hatboro, PA

#1 Oct 21, 2008
Loewen will be starting his minor league career (hitting) at age 25.

In the history of baseball, that's probably been attempted fewer than a dozen times.

The Orioles are insane. There's NO POINT in this, other than to distract from the fact that they have little ability to find and add talent.
Jeff

Baltimore, MD

#2 Oct 21, 2008
It's worth a try, it's a low-risk high-reward. He could become another Rick Ankiel and if that happens we have another hitter on our hands which isn't a bad thing.
schlomo

Parkton, MD

#3 Oct 21, 2008
Future 1st Baseman perhaps? Plenty of room in our minor league system for someone to give that a try. No one standing in their way (forget Teixeira).
Ghost Oriole

Hatboro, PA

#4 Oct 21, 2008
Another HUGE complaint with the O's bad decisions. IMO, they should be adding a solid core of AAAA players, such as:

Nelson Cruz 44HR 125RBI AAA/MLB
Dallas McPherson 42HR 98RBI AAA
Josh Phelps 31HR 97RBI
and so on.

Yes, I know these guys seem to peak out at AAA, but Norfolk has had nothing in the way of hitting for the last few years (2008 66HR in 142 games; 2007 92HR in 143 games).

It appears that they're going to pay Loewen a premium minor league salary which COULD HAVE gone to a 27 or 28 year-old AAA stud.

The O's have lacked depth for the entire decade, and they are still making terrible choices.

There are always guys in the minors who appear to hit a wall when promoted to MLB. Given the O's lack of depth and seeming lack of plan for 2010, it would make sense to add cheap talent NOW.

It won't make the team a playoff contender, but they will be less awful.

Unfortunately, I expect them to do little or nothing.
Bob S

Augusta, ME

#5 Oct 21, 2008
One of the biggest reasons for the Orioles futility over the past 10 years has been their horrible 1st round choices (pre-2007). Loewen is one of the poster boys for that bad luck, ineptitude or whatever you want to call it. Hopefully, Brian Matsuz can change the bad karma for 1st round Baltimore pitchers.

Since: Jan 08

Fort Campbell, TN

#6 Oct 21, 2008
Just don't know he's might just turn into one of the best 1B. Why cut down a player before he's given a chance.
Look what the O's had at 1B this year 242 hitter (or something close to that) those are a dime a dozen!
Ghost Oriole

Hatboro, PA

#7 Oct 21, 2008
No, it's not worth a try. It's pointless.

Loewen will take a spot from someone who would've had a legitimate hope of being a MLB player.

The comparisons to Ankiel are WRONG.
Ankiel was a minor league hitter at age 21 (slugging over .600). By the time Ankiel was 25, he was hitting with power at AA.

Loewen won't make it to AA until age 27 or 28. And he has NO EXPERIENCE playing a defensive position. Oh, and he has to learn how to hit at age 25.

Sorry, but a lot of O's fans really don't understand the sport. Clearly, the O's front office lacks basic knowledge of the sport.
Ghost Oriole

Hatboro, PA

#8 Oct 21, 2008
Just don't know he's might just turn into one of the best 1B. Why cut down a player before he's given a chance.
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You've changed my mind. I think the O's should just sign any player, especially if they have zero experience at the position.

Baseball is just a lottery. There's no way of knowing if any player will be good in the future. Good teams are just lucky.

There's a 26 year-old electrician in the Dominican Republic who might be the next Manny Ramirez. The O's should sign him.
Ghost Oriole

Hatboro, PA

#9 Oct 21, 2008
schlomo wrote:
Future 1st Baseman perhaps? Plenty of room in our minor league system for someone to give that a try. No one standing in their way (forget Teixeira).
This kind of logic makes my head hurt.

1) The O's have no good first basemen in the minors.

2) Adam Loewen is NOT a good first baseman. He's not a good anything.

3) So...put him at first base in the minors for the O's.

How, exactly, is this going to fix the problem for the O's???

Core Oriole fans want and deserve last place. Seriously.
Ghost Oriole

Hatboro, PA

#10 Oct 21, 2008
Sorry for the rant this AM. Let's look at a player who will be available this winter:

Josh Phelps age30 AAA 30HR 91RBI .291BA

I'm not suggesting that Phelps is any kind of answer. But the reality is that if Adam Loewen follows the track of every superior hitting prospect, he'll hit AAA at age 28. Remember, he'll be playing rookie ball at age 25.

So why in the world should the O's invest a lot of time and money in Loewen when they can simply make a phone call and pick up a "fully baked" player at the same age?

It's dumb.
oscanada

Toronto, Canada

#11 Oct 21, 2008
Ghost Oriole. Josh Phelps has more chances than Steve Traschel..and basically failed everywhere. There's really not much risk in giving Loewen a shot and see what happens. It's not like he's going to be playing first for us next year anyway.
After what happened with Carlos Pena, the O's shouldn't turn down giving someone another chance. How about Jonny Gomes from Tampa? He did hit 20 plus dingers before and seeing that they owe us a player in the Bradford 'giveaway' maybe he's worth a shot. We aren't likely to get anyone of value anyway.
Ghost Oriole

Hatboro, PA

#12 Oct 21, 2008
oscanada---

So, let me see if I follow what you want the O's to do.

You think the O's should be adding minor league players with zero experience at an advanced age. 25 year-old rookie league hitters with no experience since high school.

It cracks me up when "fans" say that Loewen hit well in community college. He was the 5th best hitter in that lineup at Chipola.

I suppose that expectations are now at the level that "fans" don't care if the team just adds guys with ZERO experience.

Adam Loewen has ZERO ZERO ZERO professional AB's.

Zero. None. Never.

How in the world can you compare him to Carlos Pena??! Pena hit 75HR's for the Detroit Tigers in 4 years! It's not as though Pena was a mystery.

Guess what: Pena hit .247 this year. His career average is .251. With more AB's, he hit more homers.

I maintain that one needs to be dishonest or nuts to support the O's front office. Comparing a complete novice to an experienced MLB slugger is definitely nutty.
Ghost Oriole

Hatboro, PA

#13 Oct 21, 2008
And by the time Pena was Loewen's age, he already was a AAA/MLB player with 107 professional HR's.

Why not compare Loewen to Babe Ruth? Ruth was a pitcher before becoming a hitter, and it's just about an equal stretch of reality.

By way of comparison, the O's haven't produced a young minor league hitter with 100HR's since......ummmm....well, it's been decades.

Signing a Carlos Pena is not in any way the same as wasting time with Adam Loewen. I'm all for signing a couple of Pena types, and hoping that something works out.

They're not going to get Tex, and I suspect that Millar is Plan B.
Walt

Bonita Springs, FL

#14 Oct 21, 2008
Ghost Oriole wrote:
oscanada---
So, let me see if I follow what you want the O's to do.
You think the O's should be adding minor league players with zero experience at an advanced age. 25 year-old rookie league hitters with no experience since high school.
It cracks me up when "fans" say that Loewen hit well in community college. He was the 5th best hitter in that lineup at Chipola.
I suppose that expectations are now at the level that "fans" don't care if the team just adds guys with ZERO experience.
Adam Loewen has ZERO ZERO ZERO professional AB's.
Zero. None. Never.
How in the world can you compare him to Carlos Pena??! Pena hit 75HR's for the Detroit Tigers in 4 years! It's not as though Pena was a mystery.
Guess what: Pena hit .247 this year. His career average is .251. With more AB's, he hit more homers.
I maintain that one needs to be dishonest or nuts to support the O's front office. Comparing a complete novice to an experienced MLB slugger is definitely nutty.
NO ONE agrees with you probably 90% of the time...... makes me glad the season is over and that I don't follow this forum as much now to see your continual berating of the O's and the fans. Also funny to see most of these posts are yours without many replies so essentially you're talking to yourself..... again lol
Ghost Oriole

Hatboro, PA

#15 Oct 21, 2008
oscanada---

If the O's want a Carlos Pena type gamble at first base, they should get Chris Shelton.

He'll be a cheap FA, and he hit .340 at AAA in 2008. He has a career MLB BA of .274. He has a career MiLB BA of .314 and a .410 OBP.

He has washed out at DET and TEX.

I don't expect much from the guy, but he has 10,000x the upside of Adam Loewen.
Ghost Oriole

Hatboro, PA

#16 Oct 21, 2008
Gosh, Walt, that really stings.
Ghost Oriole

Hatboro, PA

#17 Oct 21, 2008
The really funny thing about all this loyalty to Loewen is that he was a terrible MLB pitcher (8-8 5.38ERA 1.64WHIP), and not particularly good in the minors (15-17 3.61ERA 1.43WHIP).

We're not talking about Jim Palmer.

He has a seriously bad left arm, and no experience as a hitter.

And people are arguing that this is who the O's should play at first base in the minors.
dave

Laurel, MD

#18 Oct 21, 2008
Ghost Oriole,

Who cares they stink? Why not take a gamble on him? They have plenty of bad players in their system thanks to Flanagan, Bettie and Syd Thrift. It might take away one of those dregs out of the system. You have a man crush on Josh Phelps. He has done nothing in the major leagues Why add him? So we can win ten more games in triple a.
We need to keep drafting good prospects with McPhail. Give him a chance you are always throwing insults toward him. I think he might know a little more about baseball than you. It is impossible to turn a bad team around in two years.
sportnut

Philadelphia, PA

#19 Oct 21, 2008
First off, Loewen hasn't been assigned to any team accept to instructional leagues. So quit compaining!

I think it's great the O's had a young player who was performing well. He break's a bone and you know what? They stay with him and give him a chance. If any of you or me was in Loewen's shoes we'd say thank you. We easily could have been dumped to the side.

Everyone cries loyalty to the club yet it goes both ways. Loewen has never degraded the O's, the city or brought shame to the support. From all counts he was a quality person.

Maybe one day this will make him a good coach as well.
Ghost Oriole

Hatboro, PA

#20 Oct 21, 2008
I think it's great the O's had a young player who was performing well. He break's a bone and you know what? They stay with him and give him a chance. If any of you or me was in Loewen's shoes we'd say thank you. We easily could have been dumped to the side.
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Are O's fans really this dumb? I'm somewhat sorry to insult you, but:

A) Loewen was not performing well as a MLB pitcher. He is not a hitter, and has NEVER played professionally as a position player. He'll be 25 years old to start next season.
B) This might come as a shock, in sports, people play specialty positions. Just because they're good at one position does not mean they'll be good at another.

NFL teams don't make place kickers into quarterbacks, no matter if they played QB in high school.

The O's, and EVERY OTHER TEAM, regularly dump players "to the side." That's the business. That's what you must do. They dump dozens of organizational players every year. Everyone does.

Do the math: if Loewen is amazingly successful and advances to MLB, he'll arrive as a rookie at age 29. That's well past his prime.

So, why bother? He'll be on a physical downslope from Day One.

If you think it makes sense to try and convert Loewen into a hitter, you really aren't very bright (in baseball terms).

It's just a very, very dumb move meant to distract the gullible fans from the lack of action coming out of the front office.

We're entering an era of Orioles baseball which borders on complete insanity.

Luis Hernandez --- MLB shortstop?
Adam Loewen ---- 25 year-old rookie league first baseman?
Daniel Cabrera --- rock of the rotation no matter how he pitches?

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