Helton's walk-off homer lifts Rockies to 2nd win of the day

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Saito retired his first two batters before Matt Holliday singled and Helton, playing the first meaningful September of his stellar career, sent a 1-2 fastball to right-center for his fifth career game-ending ... Full Story

“Paralyzed From the Neck Up”

Since: Jun 07

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#3 Sep 19, 2007
edumacated by the DPS wrote:
why did Helton walk off? was he mad or somethin'?
He doesn't want to get traded to those stupid Red Sox in the offseason
David

Fort Collins, CO

#4 Sep 19, 2007
Captain Obvious wrote:
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He doesn't want to get traded to those stupid Red Sox in the offseason
Yeah he does, I would personally like to see him make the playoffs at least once in his career. Plain and simple he would have a better chance with the sox than with the rox.
David

Fort Collins, CO

#5 Sep 19, 2007
It's games like this that get you excited about this team, and as soon as you get excited and start to think that they're going to make the playoffs, than bam. They lose two of three to a team that is 20 games below 500 at home. What is it with this team? I just keep thinking back, where would they be if they didn't blow the home series against the Marlins and Pirates. If they miss the wild card by a few games, losing series to the last place pirates and the woeful marlins will be to blame.
Creep

United States

#6 Sep 19, 2007
David wrote:
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Yeah he does, I would personally like to see him make the playoffs at least once in his career. Plain and simple he would have a better chance with the sox than with the rox.
Screw the AL East. Would be great to see some attention being more focused on divisions like the NL West, where there is boatloads of talent with lower payroll. It's guys like PayRod and ManRam that are a bunch of primadonnas to begin with that are makin the dough, but putting on a show! I'm not saying that the NL West doesn't get love, but some more money would afford teams like the Rocks to spend some more and try to entice the talent they need to win championships.
Mike

San Francisco, CA

#7 Sep 19, 2007
Where was this intensity and this fire at the start of the season when they stunk up the joint? Had they played like this in April and May, this city wouldn't be talking wild card, we'd be talking division championship.

If they're going to concentrate on anything in the off-season, how about some pitching help. They have more than enough fire power in the lineup. Now someone other than Jeff Francis that'll show up consistently would be nice.

“Paralyzed From the Neck Up”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#8 Sep 19, 2007
David wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah he does, I would personally like to see him make the playoffs at least once in his career. Plain and simple he would have a better chance with the sox than with the rox.
If you want him to see the playoffs, and you don't believe that will happen here, the Yankees are a better destination. Boston is lucky they will be able to stumble their way into the playoffs this year and they didn't even make it last year. Hopefully the Rockies will make a good run in these last games and possibly ride that into the playoffs, assuming they catch up
David

Fort Collins, CO

#9 Sep 19, 2007
Creep wrote:
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Screw the AL East. Would be great to see some attention being more focused on divisions like the NL West, where there is boatloads of talent with lower payroll. It's guys like PayRod and ManRam that are a bunch of primadonnas to begin with that are makin the dough, but putting on a show! I'm not saying that the NL West doesn't get love, but some more money would afford teams like the Rocks to spend some more and try to entice the talent they need to win championships.
I personally don't like the red sox or yankees, it seems like there is only two teams in the MLB sometimes. However, the rox are a dysfunctional franchise who cannot even go get a manager with a winning record. I have lost most faith that the GM and ownership will make the required moves this off season to put this team in a position to make it to the playoffs. Francis and Cook are a start, but we need some better pitching than Fogg, and Lopez. Ubaldo looks promising but probably will still struggle next year, so we would need at least one preferably two more quality starters to contend with the dodgers and padres. Do you see that happening, I don't so I think as long as Helton is here he will not feel what it is like to make it to the playoffs.
Brak

Nolensville, TN

#10 Sep 19, 2007
Mike wrote:
Where was this intensity and this fire at the start of the season when they stunk up the joint? Had they played like this in April and May, this city wouldn't be talking wild card, we'd be talking division championship.
If they're going to concentrate on anything in the off-season, how about some pitching help. They have more than enough fire power in the lineup. Now someone other than Jeff Francis that'll show up consistently would be nice.
They need starting pitching help now, but that's only because Cook, Lopez, Hirsh, and even Dessens all went down. That's 3 and a half starting pitchers that are on the DL for the stretch run. A starting 5 of Francis, Cook, Jimenez, Hirsh, and Fogg/Lopez sounds just fine to me. I'm not sure what else is out there that is any better than that, and I'd be really concerned what they'd have to give up to get it.

The Helton contract is the big problem. For 16 million a year, the Rocks need more than 15 HR and 85 RBI. The city will never forgive them if they let Holiday go, so they need to focus on signing Atkins. I like the swings Stewart has been putting on balls lately, but you can't underestimate the value of a young proven RBI guy.
Mike

San Francisco, CA

#11 Sep 19, 2007
I dunno that the fans will forgive the team if they let Holliday walk. I mean realize the guy couldn't catch a cold if he tried, but you're giving up one of the better young hitters in the game right now.

Helton's contract is an issue, no doubt about it. I wonder if he'd be willing to sit down and restructure it any so they have money now. It would be at least worth trying to discuss it with him after the season.

It is true about the pitching. It had been so long since a couple of those guys pitched, I had forgotten about them. Oops!
Creep

United States

#12 Sep 19, 2007
David wrote:
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I personally don't like the red sox or yankees, it seems like there is only two teams in the MLB sometimes. However, the rox are a dysfunctional franchise who cannot even go get a manager with a winning record. I have lost most faith that the GM and ownership will make the required moves this off season to put this team in a position to make it to the playoffs. Francis and Cook are a start, but we need some better pitching than Fogg, and Lopez. Ubaldo looks promising but probably will still struggle next year, so we would need at least one preferably two more quality starters to contend with the dodgers and padres. Do you see that happening, I don't so I think as long as Helton is here he will not feel what it is like to make it to the playoffs.
I agree, but Helton knew that when he signed that 10-year deal a few years back. I think they tried to do that with Larry Walker - get him to a solid team before he retired to have a run at the WS. St. Louis never did it. Always a gamble, and I think at this point Helton knows it, and unless he's satisfied with a short one-year or two-year deal that can match his salary, he probably won't go. Alot of guys like being with one team their entire career, and I personally think Helton's that guy.

I would have to say that the bullpen has improved in the last few years, obviously with the addition of Francis and Jimenez. But with a guy like Cook on the DL with an ERA of 4 is not good in this part of the stretch. Thing is, you don't see any guys with an ERA below 4, and that needs to change to have consistent wins at home and on the road.

Well, let's sit back and watch. A sweep of the Dodgers right now would be bittersweet going into this last roadtrip.
Creep

United States

#13 Sep 19, 2007
I wanted to add anotehr $0.02!

Tulowitzki is the HOTTEST thing going for that team now.(Of course Matt Holliday continues to mash)
Brak

Nolensville, TN

#14 Sep 19, 2007
Mike wrote:
I dunno that the fans will forgive the team if they let Holliday walk. I mean realize the guy couldn't catch a cold if he tried, but you're giving up one of the better young hitters in the game right now.
Helton's contract is an issue, no doubt about it. I wonder if he'd be willing to sit down and restructure it any so they have money now. It would be at least worth trying to discuss it with him after the season.
It is true about the pitching. It had been so long since a couple of those guys pitched, I had forgotten about them. Oops!
I agree with you. I don't think the fans would forgive the front office if they let Holliday go. I was just assuming that they are going to do everything they can to lock him up.
You're right, it has been a while since some of those guys threw, and more than a couple of Cook's starts this year have been forgettable.
I think Helton is the kind of guy that might agree to a restructuring of his contract. I've always liked the guy, and I'd love to see him make it to the post season with the Rocks but he may need to spread a little of the 16 mil around to help make that happen.
Abc

United States

#15 Sep 19, 2007
I think Helton would restructure for the right reasons. But if you look the Rox are like already at the bottom of the Payroll list how much more do they need to save?

Face the facts Holliday will be gone they always trade young talent away for nothing even though they always say that is what they build on (jennings, pierre, chacon, i know there is more)

Can we get Kronke to buy this team? Look at the money he is willing to invest. Nuggs in the play offs past 3 years, Av's dominate decade just now came to an end. Maybe he wouldn't be afraid to bring Colorado a winning baseball team.

I have long given up on our GM/Owners it seems they have no clue or care.
Mike

San Francisco, CA

#16 Sep 19, 2007
Abc wrote:
I think Helton would restructure for the right reasons. But if you look the Rox are like already at the bottom of the Payroll list how much more do they need to save?
Face the facts Holliday will be gone they always trade young talent away for nothing even though they always say that is what they build on (jennings, pierre, chacon, i know there is more)
Can we get Kronke to buy this team? Look at the money he is willing to invest. Nuggs in the play offs past 3 years, Av's dominate decade just now came to an end. Maybe he wouldn't be afraid to bring Colorado a winning baseball team.
I have long given up on our GM/Owners it seems they have no clue or care.
I don't think they trade any of these guys this off-season. It would take one hell of a blockbuster kinda deal to do it, I believe. I think the team is finally at a point where wholesale changes aren't needed. Just minor tweaks here and there. An addition to the bullpen, someone to take a spot in the outfield a night here and there, that sort of thing. The main components to a good playoff team are already there.

Now if they can just get going like this from the beginning of the season instead of late June, they wouldn't have to fight for the playoffs in the last 2 weeks.
David

Fort Collins, CO

#17 Sep 20, 2007
Abc wrote:
I think Helton would restructure for the right reasons. But if you look the Rox are like already at the bottom of the Payroll list how much more do they need to save?
Face the facts Holliday will be gone they always trade young talent away for nothing even though they always say that is what they build on (jennings, pierre, chacon, i know there is more)
Can we get Kronke to buy this team? Look at the money he is willing to invest. Nuggs in the play offs past 3 years, Av's dominate decade just now came to an end. Maybe he wouldn't be afraid to bring Colorado a winning baseball team.
I have long given up on our GM/Owners it seems they have no clue or care.
This is baseball, and they have a bargaining agreement called arbitration. Helton will not restructure his deal, it's guaranteed. Either the Rocks will have to eat his salary, or he will have to be traded to one of the two teams that would be willing to pay him. You can guess what two teams I'm talking about. It would be nice if Kroeke or Cuban for that matter would buy the team, but the monforts would have to be willing to sell it first. I don't see that happening anytime soon. We're stuck with the worthless owners for a long time I fear.
Mike

San Francisco, CA

#18 Sep 20, 2007
Oh yeah. Heaven forbid a player do anything that's good for the game and counter to the baseball player's union. I swear, I don't think that the player's union is the strongest in sports, I think it may well have become the strongest in the country. They've stared down Congress and basically won with how well they've been able to put off legislation on drug testing. They have gotten anything and everything they've wanted. Donald Fehr has made Bud Selig his personal puppet.

I wish we could get Kronke to buy the Rockies. Forget abotu Cuban. He's doing everything he can to get his hands on the Cubbies. There are a lot of people with lots of money who want to get into ownership and are willing to spend the money to bring a championship to their city. I think there should be a way to get teams out of the hands of cheapskates in all sports, not just baseball and not just here in Denver.
Rocky Fan

United States

#19 Sep 20, 2007
To my other Rockies Fans, there is still hope. BELIEVE!!!!

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