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Radhames Liz delivered exactly what the Orioles needed last night, logging six solid innings and handing a three-run lead to the bullpen. Full Story
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Scott G

Alexandria, VA

#1 Jul 2, 2008
Im not a big baseball fan anymore, but this city is getting to be as bad as NY. I was glad to see Sherril got a standing O as he came in. Talk about a bunch of whiners and moaners. So many were ready to throw Sherill under the bus for two games lost. And here he is with 27 saves? The Orioles have a lousy team at best, this guy is giving you the chance at a .500 season, and so many were ready to cut him loose yesterday.

Since: Jul 07

Elkton, MD

#2 Jul 2, 2008
Now that's more like it !!! I wasnt sure how I'd feel with Trembley bringing in Sherrill again but he pretty much had to as Sarfate didnt provide too much relief. Ramon had a nice game too. He seems to have hit his stride offensively but he couldnt throw out my 11-year old daughter...
Mr Baseball

Mount Rainier, MD

#3 Jul 2, 2008
Scott G wrote:
Im not a big baseball fan anymore, but this city is getting to be as bad as NY. I was glad to see Sherril got a standing O as he came in. Talk about a bunch of whiners and moaners. So many were ready to throw Sherill under the bus for two games lost. And here he is with 27 saves? The Orioles have a lousy team at best, this guy is giving you the chance at a .500 season, and so many were ready to cut him loose yesterday.
Nobody was talking about cutting him loose. People were saying he was probably tired, which Sherril himself mentioned a couple of weeks ago. People were also saying he should be traded at the deadline which still holds true as well. Sherril is not the one "giving us a chance at a .500 season." He's helping, for sure, but the offense and middle relievers have easily contributed much more towards our record with all of the come from behind victories. This team doesn't have the talent to make the playoffs but they play their butts off and are fun to watch. I'm all for keeping Roberts now but the other veterans of value should definitely be traded if the price is right. In my mind the only way Roberts is traded is if it's in a deal for Texiera and we come to terms with him on a long term deal before the trade. I'm still not even sure about that.
Scott G

Alexandria, VA

#4 Jul 2, 2008
Mr Baseball wrote:
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Nobody was talking about cutting him loose. People were saying he was probably tired, which Sherril himself mentioned a couple of weeks ago. People were also saying he should be traded at the deadline which still holds true as well. Sherril is not the one "giving us a chance at a .500 season." He's helping, for sure, but the offense and middle relievers have easily contributed much more towards our record with all of the come from behind victories. This team doesn't have the talent to make the playoffs but they play their butts off and are fun to watch. I'm all for keeping Roberts now but the other veterans of value should definitely be traded if the price is right. In my mind the only way Roberts is traded is if it's in a deal for Texiera and we come to terms with him on a long term deal before the trade. I'm still not even sure about that.
I thikink you and I were reading different threads. I could not believe the posts of people wanting to put Sherills head on a platter, for two blown saves.
CHUCK

Baltimore, MD

#5 Jul 2, 2008
Sherrill is not at fault, the so called hard working management team of Andy, Dave and his coaches are. I want to see this talent we traded for, don't tell me they need to be seasoned in the minors or they could loose their confidence. Can you spell Tampa Bay Rays. Their kids came up together and now look where they are.
I want to see the Rowell's, Snyder, Arrieta, Wieters NOW NOT IN 3 YEARS. As usual we are getting the full blast of smoke blown up our you know where by the folks in the warehouse. Trade the Huffs, Millar, Hernandez. What are we doing with Freddie Bynum on our roster? What a pathetic organization.
Hatepaste

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Jul 2, 2008
Got a little nervous when I saw Sherrill warming. It'd be nice if they could just give him a week off, seems like he going through a little bit of a dead arm period. But at least he got the job done.

Ohh, and this city will never be as bad as New York or Boston.

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jason

Bethpage, NY

#7 Jul 2, 2008
CHUCK wrote:
Sherrill is not at fault, the so called hard working management team of Andy, Dave and his coaches are. I want to see this talent we traded for, don't tell me they need to be seasoned in the minors or they could loose their confidence. Can you spell Tampa Bay Rays. Their kids came up together and now look where they are.
I want to see the Rowell's, Snyder, Arrieta, Wieters NOW NOT IN 3 YEARS. As usual we are getting the full blast of smoke blown up our you know where by the folks in the warehouse. Trade the Huffs, Millar, Hernandez. What are we doing with Freddie Bynum on our roster? What a pathetic organization.
Chill out! If those guys you mentioned aren't traded to make room for the youngsters then take a moment for a deep breath or two or one hundred and realize that their contracts are all up either this year or next year plus a few others who are having no impact (BAEZ!). Those guys were signed before Andy Mac got here, and the O's are stuck with them.

Also, the only one of that bunch of A-ball prospects that is even remotely close to being ready for the majors is Wieters (although he's in AA now). If they're going to bring anyone up it should be guys like Bergesen, Tillman, Montanez, or Reimold out of AA who have been consistently producing this year.

By the time all the dead weight veterans are gone this year or next those guys will all be closer to the show. There is a light at the end of the tunnel -- Patience!
CHUCK

Baltimore, MD

#8 Jul 2, 2008
jason wrote:
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Chill out! If those guys you mentioned aren't traded to make room for the youngsters then take a moment for a deep breath or two or one hundred and realize that their contracts are all up either this year or next year plus a few others who are having no impact (BAEZ!). Those guys were signed before Andy Mac got here, and the O's are stuck with them.
Also, the only one of that bunch of A-ball prospects that is even remotely close to being ready for the majors is Wieters (although he's in AA now). If they're going to bring anyone up it should be guys like Bergesen, Tillman, Montanez, or Reimold out of AA who have been consistently producing this year.
By the time all the dead weight veterans are gone this year or next those guys will all be closer to the show. There is a light at the end of the tunnel -- Patience!
Jason while I agree with some of what you say, let's not forget if you are waiting another 2-3 years for these guys to get here you can't expect a good return immediately so you still have 2-3 years before we see anything at the major league level. Now you have too much time wasted with these kids. We have nothing to loose to let these kids play at this level now.
veedub

Englewood, CO

#9 Jul 2, 2008
CHUCK wrote:
Now you have too much time wasted with these kids. We have nothing to loose to let these kids play at this level now.
Patience is a virtue. I know it's a difficult mentality to emphasize after a decade of losing, but don't get irrational.

Do you honestly want to promote all of those guys up to Baltimore right now and throw them to the lions? How did that work out for Olson, Penn, Liz, Fiornetino, etc., last year? Not very good. Some of them are flat out NOT READY. MacPhail has made it a point not to rush these guys, and I agree.

Good win last night, and the Birds are back on track. The biggest thing for me was the return of Adam Loewen. He really buckled down in his second inning and looked great. That's huge for the Orioles, as they'll need all the help they can get with Albers done. Bierd should be back soon as well. Middle relief is absolutely essential to any kind of success in the second half of the season.
Joke Man

Portland, OR

#10 Jul 2, 2008
Sherrill's back, now what's up with Sarfate?? The dude walks way too many when the game is on the line, then doesn't get out of his own jam. At least Don Stanhouse could clean up his mess. This guy scares me more.
Blue

Baltimore, MD

#11 Jul 2, 2008
I think the people that felt negative towards Sherril were just plain frustrated. It's human nature. I think he has 5 total blown saves this year, two this week, and two the week Pittsburg was in town. I was at that game, but we came back and won. So a blown save doesn't mean a loss.

As far as Sherril again, he has pitched over 70 innings already this year which i think is more than he had all of last season. He is getting used to the innings and position so let's give him some time to adjust and have faith that you can get the job done.

GO ORIOLES!
pstroms

Ocean City, MD

#12 Jul 2, 2008
Mr Baseball wrote:
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Nobody was talking about cutting him loose. People were saying he was probably tired, which Sherril himself mentioned a couple of weeks ago. People were also saying he should be traded at the deadline which still holds true as well. Sherril is not the one "giving us a chance at a .500 season." He's helping, for sure, but the offense and middle relievers have easily contributed much more towards our record with all of the come from behind victories. This team doesn't have the talent to make the playoffs but they play their butts off and are fun to watch. I'm all for keeping Roberts now but the other veterans of value should definitely be traded if the price is right. In my mind the only way Roberts is traded is if it's in a deal for Texiera and we come to terms with him on a long term deal before the trade. I'm still not even sure about that.
Very good assessment Mr. Baseball, you took the words right out of my mouth. Let's continue to have fun and try to win without screwing up the rebuilding process.
Nashville Os Fan

Hermitage, TN

#13 Jul 2, 2008
Blue wrote:
As far as Sherril again, he has pitched over 70 innings already this year which i think is more than he had all of last season. He is getting used to the innings and position so let's give him some time to adjust and have faith that you can get the job done.
GO ORIOLES!
? Sherril has pitched his year
Nashville Os Fan

Hermitage, TN

#14 Jul 2, 2008
That last post deleted the number I typed in... Sherril has pitched 37 1/3 innings this year... not 70
john

Ambler, PA

#15 Jul 2, 2008
Hey Rivera and Pappelbon have blown back to back saves would you want to "GET RID OF THEM"? This happens in baseball. I have no problem with Sherril other members of the team Yes I think they are dead wood and need to be cut loose after the season. On top of that list is Melvin Mora 8 million a year for a .227 batting average and mediocre defensive skills. If the Orioles are going to be serious about contending in the future they need a serious UPGRADE at 3rd.
ann

Rosedale, MD

#16 Jul 2, 2008
Yesssss!.....
Joe

Washington, DC

#17 Jul 2, 2008
john wrote:
Hey Rivera and Pappelbon have blown back to back saves would you want to "GET RID OF THEM"? This happens in baseball. I have no problem with Sherril other members of the team Yes I think they are dead wood and need to be cut loose after the season. On top of that list is Melvin Mora 8 million a year for a .227 batting average and mediocre defensive skills. If the Orioles are going to be serious about contending in the future they need a serious UPGRADE at 3rd.
The problem is we are stuck with Melvin until 09'. And if you would have polled most O's fans in April of 06' as to what to do with Melvin I would say at least 4 out of 5 said lets sign him long-term already. I thought this was a bad move at the time as I didn't see contention in our near future, it would have been far better to get 2 first round draft picks for him no question but most of my brothers wanted him signed and should not be compaining now, this is what you wanted.
John

Ruffs Dale, PA

#18 Jul 2, 2008
Well I glad to see Payton join the club. One more thing am just happy that the team is over 500 .

GO O's
Joe

Washington, DC

#19 Jul 2, 2008
Scott G wrote:
Im not a big baseball fan anymore, but this city is getting to be as bad as NY. I was glad to see Sherril got a standing O as he came in. Talk about a bunch of whiners and moaners. So many were ready to throw Sherill under the bus for two games lost. And here he is with 27 saves? The Orioles have a lousy team at best, this guy is giving you the chance at a .500 season, and so many were ready to cut him loose yesterday.
How can you prefer another sport to baseball? Off the field it has had it's problems but no game can match its drama between the lines.

Say what you will about NY and I hate the Yankess as much as the next O's fan, but they are a baseball first city along with Boston, St. Louis, and LA and for that they have my grudging respect.
veedub

Englewood, CO

#20 Jul 2, 2008
john wrote:
Hey Rivera and Pappelbon have blown back to back saves would you want to "GET RID OF THEM"? This happens in baseball. I have no problem with Sherril other members of the team Yes I think they are dead wood and need to be cut loose after the season. On top of that list is Melvin Mora 8 million a year for a .227 batting average and mediocre defensive skills. If the Orioles are going to be serious about contending in the future they need a serious UPGRADE at 3rd.
First, please don't put Flat Breezy in the same sentence as Paps or Mo. Those guys are TRUE closers, and some of the best in the game (in Mo's case, ever). Georgie is a LOOGY turned closer because of Ray's injury. Not to take anything away from George at all, as he's been solid all year for us. I still think we need to trade him if we can find a good offer for him.

Second, Mora isn't going anywhere until after 2009. Still, if his slump continues, I'd like to see DT approach him about a utility role and move Huff to third. Mora isn't blocking anyone as Moore is struggling in AAA, and Rowell is years away. Yet, he's killing our offense. Millar too.

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