MLB doesn't take a stand on Arizona law

Downtown Phoenix can look like a ghost town in July, when temperatures routinely top 105 degrees.

Banners greeting visitors adorn airport walls and stretch from light posts. The All-Star game logo — a Southwestern palette of Sedona red, black and Sonoran sand featuring the mountains surrounding the Valley of the Sun — is everywhere, from storefronts and hotel lobbies to restaurants and taxi cabs.

But not everyone feels entirely welcome here.

"We are getting letters and emails from people asking us if they need to bring any documentation when they're visiting for the All-Star game," said Luis Avila, president of Somos America, Arizona's largest immigrant-rights coalition. "Why should anyone be asking what kind of documentation should I be carrying when I'm in Arizona? That is ridiculous."

[Diego]

Um. The MLB supports America and its laws.

[What]

Clearly the author hasn't ever been to Phoenix in July? Good gawd the advocates for immigration reform are on the streets daily demanding rights they know they'll never get! As for the MLB, good!

[FLAPATRIOT]

Quote""We are getting letters and emails from people asking us if they need to bring any documentation when they're visiting for the All-Star game," said Luis Avila, president of Somos America, Arizona's largest immigrant-rights coalition. "Why should anyone be asking what kind of documentation should I be carrying when I'm in Arizona? That is ridiculous."... It sure is...every LEGAL IMMIGRANT to this nation already knows that they are REQUIRED TO HAVE THEIR GREEN CARD WITH THEM AT ALL TIMES

[What]

FLAPATRIOT wrote:

Quote""We are getting letters and emails from people asking us if they need to bring any documentation when they're visiting for the All-Star game," said Luis Avila, president of Somos America, Arizona's largest immigrant-rights coalition. "Why should anyone be asking what kind of documentation should I be carrying when I'm in Arizona? That is ridiculous."... It sure is...every LEGAL IMMIGRANT to this nation already knows that they are REQUIRED TO HAVE THEIR GREEN CARD WITH THEM AT ALL TIMES

They pulled the same thing last year. Anything for attention. I went to Phoenix 3 x's last year with a valid DL a credit card and travelers checks. The only PROBLEM I had was clerks at convencience stores speak Spanish and I don't.

[Gloria85]

FLAPATRIOT wrote:

Quote""We are getting letters and emails from people asking us if they need to bring any documentation when they're visiting for the All-Star game," said Luis Avila, president of Somos America, Arizona's largest immigrant-rights coalition. "Why should anyone be asking what kind of documentation should I be carrying when I'm in Arizona? That is ridiculous."... It sure is...every LEGAL IMMIGRANT to this nation already knows that they are REQUIRED TO HAVE THEIR GREEN CARD WITH THEM AT ALL TIMES

I thought they were broke and penniless and "living in the shadows."

Where do they get the $$$$ to travel to Arizona?

[spytheweb]

US citizens don't have to worry about it and illegals don't have any papers to bring.

[Pee Wee Herman]

What wrote:

Clearly the author hasn't ever been to Phoenix in July? Good gawd the advocates for immigration reform are on the streets daily demanding rights they know they'll never get! As for the MLB, good!

MLB is a sports organization, not a racist radical right wing of the Arizona white nationalist party.

Go take your grievances to the State Capitol.

[libertarian4321]

Given that 7 of the American League All Stars (and 23 of the American League All Stars in total), I'd bet some of the players are concerned that some cop is going to shake them down and ask for "You're papers, please."

So why would regular folks (including US citizens of Hispanic descent) not wonder what they need to bring to comply?

With the exception of Curtis Granderson and Josh Hamilton, every starting player on the American league squad is Hispanic.

C Alex Avila, DET

1B Adrian Gonzalez, BOS

2B Robinson Cano, NYY

3B Adrian Beltre, TEX$

SS Asdrubal Cabrera, CLE$

OF Jose Bautista, TOR

OF Curtis Granderson, NYY

OF Josh Hamilton, TEX

DH David Ortiz, BOS

[Chrgrfan]

Well then let's open up the border. Screw the laws because some of them play baseball. How stupid.

libertarian4321 wrote:

Given that 7 of the American League All Stars (and 23 of the American League All Stars in total), I'd bet some of the players are concerned that some cop is going to shake them down and ask for "You're papers, please."
So why would regular folks (including US citizens of Hispanic descent) not wonder what they need to bring to comply?
With the exception of Curtis Granderson and Josh Hamilton, every starting player on the American league squad is Hispanic.
C Alex Avila, DET
1B Adrian Gonzalez, BOS
2B Robinson Cano, NYY
3B Adrian Beltre, TEX$
SS Asdrubal Cabrera, CLE$
OF Jose Bautista, TOR
OF Curtis Granderson, NYY
OF Josh Hamilton, TEX
DH David Ortiz, BOS

[LOL]

libertarian4321 wrote:

Given that 7 of the American League All Stars (and 23 of the American League All Stars in total), I'd bet some of the players are concerned that some cop is going to shake them down and ask for "You're papers, please."
So why would regular folks (including US citizens of Hispanic descent) not wonder what they need to bring to comply?
With the exception of Curtis Granderson and Josh Hamilton, every starting player on the American league squad is Hispanic.
C Alex Avila, DET
1B Adrian Gonzalez, BOS
2B Robinson Cano, NYY
3B Adrian Beltre, TEX$
SS Asdrubal Cabrera, CLE$
OF Jose Bautista, TOR
OF Curtis Granderson, NYY
OF Josh Hamilton, TEX
DH David Ortiz, BOS

And you're concerned why? Read the Smith Act, illegals are required under federal law to carry their documentation 24/7, 365 in OUR country.

[libertarian4321]

LOL wrote:

<quoted text> And you're concerned why? Read the Smith Act, illegals are required under federal law to carry their documentation 24/7, 365 in OUR country.

I think you meant "legal" non-citizens.

My point is that since "legal non citizens," "illegals," and US citizens of Hispanic descent tend to look the same, a lot of people who are here legally, or even those who are US citizens, are going to be harassed and be forced to "show their papers"- it's not illogical that they would be concerned about going into a police state like AZ.

[LOL]

libertarian4321 wrote:

<quoted text>
I think you meant "legal" non-citizens.
My point is that since "legal non citizens," "illegals," and US citizens of Hispanic descent tend to look the same, a lot of people who are here legally, or even those who are US citizens, are going to be harassed and be forced to "show their papers"- it's not illogical that they would be concerned about going into a police state like AZ.

I think you haven't read the Smith ACT? How about the U.S. Citizens of Hispanic heritage stop telling their relatives to "come on it" you'll get nice freebies?

[Chrgrfan]

libertarian4321 wrote:

<quoted text>
I think you meant "legal" non-citizens.
My point is that since "legal non citizens," "illegals," and US citizens of Hispanic descent tend to look the same, a lot of people who are here legally, or even those who are US citizens, are going to be harassed and be forced to "show their papers"- it's not illogical that they would be concerned about going into a police state like AZ.

I have many family members who live in Arizona that are more than happy to show their ID. You can't expect the authorities to enforce immigration laws and then tell them they can't verify citizenship status. That is stupid. Its not harassment it's authorities doing their job. Quit crying about pulling out an ID. BFD.

[libertarian4321]

Chrgrfan wrote:

<quoted text>
I have many family members who live in Arizona that are more than happy to show their ID. You can't expect the authorities to enforce immigration laws and then tell them they can't verify citizenship status. That is stupid. Its not harassment it's authorities doing their job. Quit crying about pulling out an ID. BFD.

People like you, who simply comply with every government edict without question, are the kind of sheep who allow Republics to become dictatorships. That's the kind of mentality that allowed Hitler and Mussolini to grab so much power.

I, for one, will not meekly comply every time someone in the government thinks he has a right to demand "your papers, please!"

[Chrgrfan]

libertarian4321 wrote:

<quoted text>
People like you, who simply comply with every government edict without question, are the kind of sheep who allow Republics to become dictatorships. That's the kind of mentality that allowed Hitler and Mussolini to grab so much power.
I, for one, will not meekly comply every time someone in the government thinks he has a right to demand "your papers, please!"

What is so hard about showing ID? How many soldiers have died for this country and your crying about showing your ID? Reaching for that wallet is tiring.

[libertarian4321]

Chrgrfan wrote:

<quoted text>
What is so hard about showing ID? How many soldiers have died for this country and your crying about showing your ID? Reaching for that wallet is tiring.

It's not that it's physically hard, it's that American citizens should not be forced to prove their identity to authority when they have done nothing wrong. Yeah, I know the cops are only supposed to ask when some other "crime" is involved, but we all know that is not how it's going to work in reality. They will be pulling people over on any trumped up charge just to check papers. It's even worse when American citizens are forced to comply based on nothing more than their skin color.

[Chrgrfan]

libertarian4321 wrote:

<quoted text>
It's not that it's physically hard, it's that American citizens should not be forced to prove their identity to authority when they have done nothing wrong. Yeah, I know the cops are only supposed to ask when some other "crime" is involved, but we all know that is not how it's going to work in reality. They will be pulling people over on any trumped up charge just to check papers. It's even worse when American citizens are forced to comply based on nothing more than their skin color.

Personally I feel it's the least I can do. I can't expect for our country to be secure if we have people coming into our country illegally or over staying their VISA's. If our law enforcement, border patrol and military can risk their lives TRYING to protect us, the most I can do is open my wallet and prove I am who I say I am. If they do it and it's because of my skin color then my ID will prove to them they are wrong.

[libertarian4321]

Chrgrfan wrote:

<quoted text>
If our law enforcement, border patrol and military can risk their lives TRYING to protect us,

Protect us?

Protect us from what, onion pickers, bus boys, and hotel maids?

I guess I'm just not that afraid of farm and restaurant workers.

Maybe you can convince me that I should be terrified of low wage employees?

[LOL]

Pee Wee Herman wrote:

<quoted text>
MLB is a sports organization, not a racist radical right wing of the Arizona white nationalist party.
Go take your grievances to the State Capitol.

Rcist much?

[Chrgrfan]

libertarian4321 wrote:

<quoted text>
Protect us?
Protect us from what, onion pickers, bus boys, and hotel maids?
I guess I'm just not that afraid of farm and restaurant workers.
Maybe you can convince me that I should be terrified of low wage employees?

So the crimes illegal immigrants commit don't bother you? You think your immune to being a victim? Good luck with that.