Boy Scouts sue Philadelphia over rent...

Boy Scouts sue Philadelphia over rent, policy barring gays

There are 1157 comments on the Newsday story from May 27, 2008, titled Boy Scouts sue Philadelphia over rent, policy barring gays. In it, Newsday reports that:

A Boy Scouts chapter engaged in a long fight over gay rights has sued the city of Philadelphia to try to avoid paying $200,000 a year in rent to stay in the city-owned space that has been its headquarters for ...

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Tommy

Baton Rouge, LA

#1244 Aug 26, 2008
Moronic Dems wrote:
I'll come back when there's sign of intelligent life here.
Or when the BSA gets finished kicking Philly's backside up the block and back down again.
Happy Labor Day, azzoles.
AMEN Brother
DenMom

Glenn Dale, MD

#1245 Aug 26, 2008
Craig in OKC

Check your facts:

Once a Eagle Scout, the title never goes away; hence the statement "He *was* an Eagle Scout" is untrue. In the history of this award, only nine were ever "stripped" from their holders; and only the National Executive Board of the Boy Scouts of America can do this.
Unbelievable

East Hampton, CT

#1246 Aug 26, 2008
Moronic Dems and Tommy, intelligent life? People that think for themselves and form their own conclusions? Yes, that is a hardship for many.
good grief

Deep River, CT

#1247 Aug 26, 2008
UnbelievableFL wrote:
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Did he undergo a plesmograph to show that he was no longer attracted to the same sex, or is he just a homosexual who caved in to societal pressures to live a straight lifestyle?
maybe he's just weird, trying out the gay life, and returned to being straight. For all the good scouts does for youth, I'm saddened by this mess.
good grief

Deep River, CT

#1248 Aug 26, 2008
Moronic Dems wrote:
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The overwhelming evidence of the power of the Holy Spirit's ability to break people free from addictions and heal the sick and broken IS the testimonies of those whose lives have been irrevocably changed...millions of them over 2000 years.
I agree with this quote 100%. The problem here is folks who believe they are "above it all" and unable to succomb to a higher force, they just do what feels good, whether it's drugs, or homosexuality. They live in the here and now, with no regard for anything else. It's a sad world.
good grief

Deep River, CT

#1249 Aug 26, 2008
Jon Krueger wrote:
"Learn something about Scouting, and their history, before knocking them!"
I am an Eagle Scout. And as it happens, straight.
I was a Scout, a Scouter, and a leader at Council camps and a High Adventure camp.
I know something about Scouting and their history.
And I find many things to like about Scouting.
Homophobia is not one of them.
But then again, I know the Scout Law, Oath, Motto, Slogan, and Outdoor Code -- and there is nothing about sexual preference in any of them. Nothing.
The Scouting organizations of many lands, peoples, and nations recognizes this and have no problem with anyone's sexual preference.
Likewise troops and packs across this fine land don't care either.
It is only the national leadership of the BSA that gets hung up on gay.
Yes, people should learn about Scouting and its history. Has nothing to do with gay or straight. Straight is not a Scouting value. Honor is. And service. Bravery. Doing what's right.
Like Mark Bingham, who fought back on 9/11 and prevented al Qaeda from crashing a jet into the White House. The actions of Mark and few other brave souls on Flight 93 are inspiring and breathtaking. And yes, it turns out Mark was gay. Not that it makes any difference. Mark showed values any Scout would be proud of on that day. That's what it's about. I'm sorry BSA National can't see this yet.
Keep up the good work, we need more men like you. As I've said in earlier posts, homosexuality is a topic that is NOT discussed in my kids' three troops. I can't find enough good words to say about scouts, all 3 of my boys are involved, it's a major part of our whole families' lives. Why do some think we persecute homosexuals? My family does not, I do NOT agree with their lifestyle, but we tolerate them. Why can't they tolerate our view that we do not agree with their lifestyle? Notwithstanding the public funds issues, that's a whole 'nother matter, and gobbled up by the greeds of the attorneys and definitions. There should be more youth involved with scouting, instead of other foolish or selfish activities, and I'm a mother of 3 boys. Our male leaders and scoutmaster are men of worth, sacrifice, and willing to pass their worthy traits onto today's boys, instead of saying just do what feels good, be gay cause it's easy.
good grief

Deep River, CT

#1250 Aug 26, 2008
ltndncr59 wrote:
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Then Athiests, Hindus, and Wiccans are not allowed to be scout leaders? Just asking.
R E P E A T - read the scout oath and scout law before making foolish comments.
BSA

Philadelphia, PA

#1251 Aug 26, 2008
good grief wrote:
<quoted text> Keep up the good work, we need more men like you. As I've said in earlier posts, homosexuality is a topic that is NOT discussed in my kids' three troops. I can't find enough good words to say about scouts, all 3 of my boys are involved, it's a major part of our whole families' lives. Why do some think we persecute homosexuals? My family does not, I do NOT agree with their lifestyle, but we tolerate them. Why can't they tolerate our view that we do not agree with their lifestyle? Notwithstanding the public funds issues, that's a whole 'nother matter, and gobbled up by the greeds of the attorneys and definitions. There should be more youth involved with scouting, instead of other foolish or selfish activities, and I'm a mother of 3 boys. Our male leaders and scoutmaster are men of worth, sacrifice, and willing to pass their worthy traits onto today's boys, instead of saying just do what feels good, be gay cause it's easy.
Homosexuality is not a lifestyle - if you are gay - it not what you do - it is part who you are. That same as if you are a bigoted, narrow-minded housewife - it is not a life choice - it is simply who you are. You "tolerate" gay people - I'm sure they are very happy about that. Society also has to tolerate ignorance and homophobia - we're used to it.

My brothers and were all Boy Scouts and my father was a Scoutmaster. It was one of the best experiences of my life. I am straight and have been married for over 20 years. Yes, I have gay friends - some of them "married" and with children. They are some of the most solid families I know of.

You think it is "easy" to be gay? Who would choose that? Isn't life filled with enough challenges?

The Boy Scouts as a group I think have the right to exclude gays if they want to. But they shouldn't be surprised when others don't agree with their position. And in this case it will cost them money.

Since: Mar 07

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#1252 Aug 27, 2008
good grief wrote:
<quoted text> I agree with this quote 100%. The problem here is folks who believe they are "above it all" and unable to succomb to a higher force, they just do what feels good, whether it's drugs, or homosexuality. They live in the here and now, with no regard for anything else. It's a sad world.
Why would you think that gay people live only in the here and now, with no regard for anyone else?

Regardless of your personal opinion, no one "succombs" to being born gay. Sexual orientation isn't a behavior that is chosen, unlike taking drugs.

It is not harmful to the gay person, unlike taking drugs.

So explain the comparison.

Gay people are simply those that are born with ONLY the emotional/physical/spiritual attraction to the same gender.

Our altruism, empathy, community spirit, desire for family, and good sense are not affected by the gender of those we can love.

We all choose different lifestyles, just as all heterosexual people do, but, contrary to your belief, we are no more likely to choose selfish lifestyles than YOU are.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#1253 Aug 27, 2008
good grief wrote:
<quoted text> Keep up the good work, we need more men like you. As I've said in earlier posts, homosexuality is a topic that is NOT discussed in my kids' three troops. I can't find enough good words to say about scouts, all 3 of my boys are involved, it's a major part of our whole families' lives. Why do some think we persecute homosexuals? My family does not, I do NOT agree with their lifestyle, but we tolerate them. Why can't they tolerate our view that we do not agree with their lifestyle? Notwithstanding the public funds issues, that's a whole 'nother matter, and gobbled up by the greeds of the attorneys and definitions. There should be more youth involved with scouting, instead of other foolish or selfish activities, and I'm a mother of 3 boys. Our male leaders and scoutmaster are men of worth, sacrifice, and willing to pass their worthy traits onto today's boys, instead of saying just do what feels good, be gay cause it's easy.
Being gay in the face of such beliefs is far from easy.

Why in the world would you believe that gay people are not capable of self sacrifice?

And what makes you think there are not gay kids in your scout packs?

There are, you know.

And they are just as in need of support and direction as the straight ones are.

Simply pretending that gay people do not exist in and contribute to your community is not really doing your kids a favor. Teaching them that folks come in different styles, and that all people should be judged by their actions and contributions, not their differences might be a better stratagy. One that will help them trhoughout their lives in all their dealings with others.

I would love to have you explain how the gender of the only people we can be attracted to can be defined as a chosen "lifestyle". Do you consider your wife a simple lifestyle? Or your love for her?

Somehow I doubt it.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#1254 Aug 27, 2008
good grief wrote:
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maybe he's just weird, trying out the gay life, and returned to being straight. For all the good scouts does for youth, I'm saddened by this mess.
Define your concept of a "gay life" and how one "tries it out".

If by this you mean that a person is only attracted to the same gender, and acts upon this natural attraction in a way that is natural for them, then I can see it.

No one who is gay "tries it out". We are either born this way, or not. It's pretty simple.

Would you rather that people who are born this way pretend to be straight for your benefit, marry unsuspecting straight spouses in loveless marriages of convenience, and prodice lots of children into these sad relationships?

Would you like this for your children, gay or straight?

Somehow, I doubt it.

When you try to relegate my life, and the lives of countless others to a simple choice you don't agree with, you try to de-humanize.

I hope that none of your children, or your grandchildren to come, are not gay. The suicide rates for such children in families like yours are very high.

You don't have to actively persecute gay people to send the message that the natural state of being gay is "wrong". And for gay kids, who cannot change the way they are made, this message can be a death sentance.
hello

Middletown, CT

#1255 Oct 9, 2008
very sad to see such a mess !
safety and welfare

Knoxville, TN

#1257 Jul 15, 2013
It sucks!
safety and welfare

Knoxville, TN

#1258 Jul 15, 2013
hello wrote:
very sad to see such a mess !
Better believe it!

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Don2 from Philly

North Wales, PA

#1260 Aug 28, 2013
The Scouts went to court and the court said they could stay for $1 a year because they built the building. The money would be taken from poor kids who Need the support

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#1261 Aug 28, 2013
The Scouts went to court....mmm takes money to go to court....they don't need money if they can afford to sue!

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