For Orioles, a season of mixed signals

For Orioles, a season of mixed signals

There are 122 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Sep 29, 2008, titled For Orioles, a season of mixed signals. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

Though it went unsaid by the Orioles' front office, this season was never about wins and losses, or where the team finished in the American League East standings.

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Ghost Oriole Apologist

Pleasanton, CA

#61 Sep 29, 2008
Shawn wrote:
Actually Ghost its been 2 years and MacPhail as of today he no longer has Payton, Millar, Bedard, Tejada, Gibbons, Bradford, Patterson, Trachsel and a few others. A few of those were untradable due to money or no ability.
And someone please explain to me how 1st base is the 'least of our worries'? The O's haven't had an everyday 1st baseman to speak of in years. And don't give me the Huff had a better year then Teixeira crap because he didn't.
Huff .304 .360 .552 .912 32 HR 108 RBI
Teix .308 .410 .552 .962 33 HR 121 RBI
1B is a major offensive position and the O's haven't had a major offensive 1B in a decade. Now Teixeira said before playing for the O's is a life long dream. Well lets hope they make it a reality.
And he won't be a Yankee they have too many Dh/1B type players as is. And they want pitching not more hitting.
People let's remeber a few things before we disagree with Ghost Oriole:

1.Statistics and facts that don't support Ghost Orioles argument can not really be conidered valid or relevant

2. Andy MacPail was hired two years ago and obviously should have been making trades and acquring players immediately. The fact that this team and all of the farm system has not been totally revamped by now is impossible to believe.

3. The Orioles not making the World Series this year after Andy MacPhail had two whole years to change things around can be considered a complete failure.

4. The Orioles front office preceeding Andy MacPhail made no trades, moves or signings that should be considered when evaluating Andy MacPhail's performance. The lack of talent throughout the organization when he came aboard is completely his responsibility.

5. Peter Angelos is the Devil incarnate and his hobbies other than destroying baseball franchises include shooting new born puppies and fire bombing orphanages
Ghost Oriole

Southampton, PA

#62 Sep 29, 2008
Burnett has a contract which pays him $12 million each for '09 and '10

After a big season, he may be looking for a raise. I expect he'll get 3yrs and $42 mil from someone. Maybe more.

If the O's sign him, Burnett will make more than the rest of the team combined in 2010.
NC Orioles Fan

Lake Mary, FL

#63 Sep 29, 2008
FireTrembley wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah...how dare true O's fans that have sat through 11 years of losing and empty promises criticize this franchise and it's front office. You're a moron.
Bill K, you're such a smarty pants, why haven't you submitted an application yet. Shut up and put some action into your mouth and go work for Angelos at 12K - much, much less than my $20/hour, 35K a year.
Ghost Oriole Apologist

Pleasanton, CA

#64 Sep 29, 2008
Ghost Oriole wrote:
Burnett has a contract which pays him $12 million each for '09 and '10
After a big season, he may be looking for a raise. I expect he'll get 3yrs and $42 mil from someone. Maybe more.
If the O's sign him, Burnett will make more than the rest of the team combined in 2010.
Ghost Oriole if I am going to defend you please elaborate on that statement. Because if you are complaining that the O's will be spending TOO MUCH on Burnett (a free agent, and they don't spend enough money now) I'll have to write another clause stating that flip flopping by Ghost Oriole is not only OK but should be considered a sign of genius.
Prospect Expert

Hyattsville, MD

#65 Sep 29, 2008
Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
This is why old-time scouts are being shown the door for younger scouts who rely more on data than what they see with their eyes. Former players and old-time scouts seem to think that they are able to go to a game and "spot" talent. However, what your eyes show you is subjective. I have been to an O's game and watched one of our sorry pitchers look like Roger Clemens for a night. You see far below average pitchers throw no-hitters practically every year. The said truth is, Mr. Baseball, that stat guys know more about baseball than your 30 years could every teach you.
Yeah, right. It's 'stat' guys that allowed Pujols to walk out of the A's and Marlins camps. It was 'stat' guys working for the Rangers and Dodgers that cut Vladimir Guerrero.

It was 'stat' guys that drafted Bryan Bullington, Shawn Abner, and Matt Bush.
FireTrembley

United States

#66 Sep 29, 2008
Ghost Oriole Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>
Ghost Oriole if I am going to defend you please elaborate on that statement. Because if you are complaining that the O's will be spending TOO MUCH on Burnett (a free agent, and they don't spend enough money now) I'll have to write another clause stating that flip flopping by Ghost Oriole is not only OK but should be considered a sign of genius.
Might be difficult for you to see anything accept for black and white...due to you being a moron and all...but I believe this is more of an issue with spending money wisely. Burnett is not worth $14M a year...who ever signs him will know they are overpaying him, but will have to do so because their window for a championship will be closing. The O's don't even have a window so there is no reason to entertain the idea of picking him up.
Ghost Oriole Apologist

Pleasanton, CA

#67 Sep 29, 2008
FireTrembley wrote:
<quoted text>
Might be difficult for you to see anything accept for black and white...due to you being a moron and all...but I believe this is more of an issue with spending money wisely. Burnett is not worth $14M a year...who ever signs him will know they are overpaying him, but will have to do so because their window for a championship will be closing. The O's don't even have a window so there is no reason to entertain the idea of picking him up.
You couldn't understand humor or sacasm if it bit you on your fatass! But I'm the moron...Please, boy.

“Baltimore Fan Forever”

Since: Jun 08

Greensboro, NC

#68 Sep 29, 2008
Ghost Oriole Apologist wrote:
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People let's remeber a few things before we disagree with Ghost Oriole:
1.Statistics and facts that don't support Ghost Orioles argument can not really be conidered valid or relevant
2. Andy MacPail was hired two years ago and obviously should have been making trades and acquring players immediately. The fact that this team and all of the farm system has not been totally revamped by now is impossible to believe.
3. The Orioles not making the World Series this year after Andy MacPhail had two whole years to change things around can be considered a complete failure.
4. The Orioles front office preceeding Andy MacPhail made no trades, moves or signings that should be considered when evaluating Andy MacPhail's performance. The lack of talent throughout the organization when he came aboard is completely his responsibility.
5. Peter Angelos is the Devil incarnate and his hobbies other than destroying baseball franchises include shooting new born puppies and fire bombing orphanages
That is why Ghost Oriole never registered. If he did everyone could see that he is the master of contradictions.(Well, I guess we know that anyway.) Stats that support his case = good. Stats that don't support = bad.

He'll say we need to get rid of every 30+ player, then later muse as to why we aren't signing a 30+ free agent.

I like Ghost Oriole. He makes me laugh on a daily basis. It's free entertainment. But I do wish he would register. That way we could have his posts archived for all to see and enjoy.
FireTrembley

United States

#69 Sep 29, 2008
Ghost Oriole Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>
You couldn't understand humor or sacasm if it bit you on your fatass! But I'm the moron...Please, boy.
You were OWNED...accept it like a man.
Shawn

Elkridge, MD

#70 Sep 29, 2008
Well lets see $25 mil -$8 mil (for 1 season of Huff)=$17 mil. Name 2 quality pitchers that can be had for only $17 mil. And I am talking QUALITY not Paul Byrd and his 4.60 ERA.

Lets not forget the O's need someone to get the Butts in the seats.

And the O's should be sitting around the $125 mil a season payroll. When the O's were winning they had a $90+ mil a year payroll. And with the $40 mil MASN brings in it looks like the O's should be spending more. So get off the 'its too mcuh money' BS.
Ghost Oriole Apologist

Pleasanton, CA

#71 Sep 29, 2008
The reviews are in:
NCBirdfan wrote:
<quoted text>
I like Ghost Oriole. He makes me laugh on a daily basis. It's free entertainment. But I do wish he would register. That way we could have his posts archived for all to see and enjoy.
See, people REALLY like Ghost Oriole!
Mongo

Bowling Green, VA

#72 Sep 29, 2008
Why is everyone concerned about Angel-loss spending money in free agency? He should've been able to bank plenty on money NOT spent on free agents the last couple of years.

So long as it doesn't hinder MacPhail's rebuilding plans (to include signing draft picks), I don't see the harm in pursuing Burnett or Texiera. At the very least, we can drive up the price for NY and Boston to pick them up, and Tiexera in particular could be a good marketing opportunity for the club to add revenue.
Bill

Plano, TX

#73 Sep 29, 2008
Ghost Oriole wrote:
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So, you're praising "the plan" while saying the front office is terrible.
Clear as mud.
Ghost, when did I ever say I was in favor of what the O's front office was doing? I just called them "terrible." In fact, you responded to that post. The fact of the matter is that until the Orioles succesffully rebuild, we are going to suck. Unforuntately, our front office has no shown to be particularly adept at this whole rebuilding thing, but that is what is needed.
Bill Bruce

Battle Creek, MI

#74 Sep 29, 2008
This is Birdland?????? Sorry...what it is is Bullsh$#! I was driving to work this morning, and it struck me about half way through my commute from Harford County, to Rosedale. I just turned 41 years old, and I didn't see the Orioles play a meaningful game during my thirties! Not one "must win" series against the Red Sox, or Yankees in late September. No Orioles Magic against the Blue Jays in a game that's meant anything since Bush's old man was the prez! My son is 8.......he's NEVER seen a game that really "counted". The franchise is a joke, the owner is clueless, and the fans are the ones that are left to wallow in the perpituity of losing. It's bad folks, and try as I must to stay optimistic, it's hard when the light at the end of the tunnel never gets any closer....even after 11 years.
Bill

Plano, TX

#75 Sep 29, 2008
Prospect Expert wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, right. It's 'stat' guys that allowed Pujols to walk out of the A's and Marlins camps. It was 'stat' guys working for the Rangers and Dodgers that cut Vladimir Guerrero.
It was 'stat' guys that drafted Bryan Bullington, Shawn Abner, and Matt Bush.
Look at what the Red Sox have done led by stat guy Theo Epstein.
Keeper

Silver Spring, MD

#76 Sep 29, 2008
Joe wrote:
I think that first sentence should be required reading of all the domesday posters. "This season was never about wins and losses, or where the team finished." I have been telling the numbnuts who post on here all along that our expectations were extremely low and the losses should be viewed in that light. However day after day, the same suspects would be here taking the teams temperature, and trashing them and decrying the manager. This finish however, was our destiny, there were too many deficiencies for it too have ended any other way.
That we have a new plan and a new renowed GM I feel calls for a little deference from the fans. The problem is most want this fixed overnight. Happily the GM is not into "timeframes" as he explained yesterday during the game. Meaning that repairing the farm system and infrastucture first will allow great results to then follow the the big league level, as what happened in Tampa.
You just keep on thinking of that place, Lenny. Keep thinking of that place.
Bill

Plano, TX

#77 Sep 29, 2008
Shawn wrote:
Well lets see $25 mil -$8 mil (for 1 season of Huff)=$17 mil. Name 2 quality pitchers that can be had for only $17 mil. And I am talking QUALITY not Paul Byrd and his 4.60 ERA.
Lets not forget the O's need someone to get the Butts in the seats.
And the O's should be sitting around the $125 mil a season payroll. When the O's were winning they had a $90+ mil a year payroll. And with the $40 mil MASN brings in it looks like the O's should be spending more. So get off the 'its too mcuh money' BS.
No! Signing players to "get butts in the seats" should not be a concern for a rebuilding team. Signing Tex for $25 is absurd. We need pitching. We need lots of things. The money saved by not signing him will go in free agents, draft picks, and scouting. 1B is not a position you dump $25 million in. There are too many out there. Money needs to be spent at SS and on starting pitching if anything.
Ghost Oriole Apologist

Pleasanton, CA

#78 Sep 29, 2008
Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
Ghost, when did I ever say I was in favor of what the O's front office was doing? I just called them "terrible." In fact, you responded to that post. The fact of the matter is that until the Orioles succesffully rebuild, we are going to suck. Unforuntately, our front office has no shown to be particularly adept at this whole rebuilding thing, but that is what is needed.
Bill I know that you are true to our cause but your mistake laden ramblings are not indicative of the educated disciples we are seeking. Please find another teet to suckle.
Keeper

Silver Spring, MD

#79 Sep 29, 2008
Bill Bruce wrote:
This is Birdland?????? Sorry...what it is is Bullsh$#! I was driving to work this morning, and it struck me about half way through my commute from Harford County, to Rosedale. I just turned 41 years old, and I didn't see the Orioles play a meaningful game during my thirties! Not one "must win" series against the Red Sox, or Yankees in late September. No Orioles Magic against the Blue Jays in a game that's meant anything since Bush's old man was the prez! My son is 8.......he's NEVER seen a game that really "counted". The franchise is a joke, the owner is clueless, and the fans are the ones that are left to wallow in the perpituity of losing. It's bad folks, and try as I must to stay optimistic, it's hard when the light at the end of the tunnel never gets any closer....even after 11 years.
Well put, Bruce.

This team has been selling "rebuilding" for so long and I can't believe some people are still buying into that excuse. They're not rebuilding anything. They're just slipping away further away from what was once a proud franchise.
Lucky Horseshoe

Fort Washington, MD

#80 Sep 29, 2008
wow, idiots fighting with morons. I am sure this will be covered live in HD on MASN.

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