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sonicfilter

Fishers, IN

#1000955 Oct 11, 2013
As the Shutdown Continues, the GOP Bleeds Support

Notably, only 13 percent of self-identified Democrats view their own party unfavorably while 27 percent of Republicans view their own party unfavorably. Does this reflect the fact that a growing number of Republicans are convinced that the congressional GOP is going to surrender on Obamacare? It doesn’t look like it:

The GOP’s unfavorable rating among Republicans is up eight points from September, compared with a one-point rise in Democratic Party unfavorables among Democrats. These findings may be consistent with the widely circulated narrative that the Republican Party is internally splintered on how best to handle the budgetary negotiations.

Granted, the GOP’s unfavorable rating among Republicans was already a high 19 percent before the current budget confrontation commenced, and at least some Republicans were disgruntled because they felt the party wasn’t sufficiently conservative. But the Republican willingness to embrace confrontation doesn’t seem to have yielded any net gains in support among Republican voters. One can imagine a scenario in which the composition of GOP voters with an unfavorable view of the party has changed. That is, the number of Tea Party Republicans disappointed in the GOP might be shrinking as the number of somewhat conservative and moderate Republicans disappointed in the GOP might be growing. Yet any gains from the former have been more than outweighed by losses from the latter.

http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/360909/s...
forks_make_us_fa t

Norman, OK

#1000956 Oct 11, 2013
Gov shutdown!

No money for Veterans...

Kids will starve...

where did the money go?

It went here...

Oysters!

"$3 million for Chesapeake Bay Oyster restoration in Maryland."

https://www.facebook.com/notes/john-mccain/we...

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#1000957 Oct 11, 2013
Realtime wrote:
<quoted text>The Republican party has become fractured and dysfunctional__just like Islam.
Looks like they need to flush some more RINOs down the toilet.
Whatever

Gering, NE

#1000958 Oct 11, 2013
lily boca raton fl wrote:
How Talk Radio and Fox News Brainwashed My Dad
A filmmaker's father came to believe the extreme right-wing lies of Rush Limbaugh and other conservative media mavens.
October 10, 2013
Jen Senko is a filmmaker who watched in horror as her father slowly came to believe the extreme right-wing lies of Rush Limbaugh and other conservative media mavens. Now she’s making a documentary about it called The Brainwashing of My Dad.
So when Rush Limbaugh told him that poor people and Mexicans and blacks and feminazis were to blame for well, everything, he got mad too and took it up as his cause. He would get super-angry and bite the middle of his tongue and look like he was going to explode.
ROC: How exactly did his behavior change?
JS: When I was growing up my dad seemed to love everybody. I never heard any kind of talk against any race or ethnicity. He was funny and goofy and talked to anybody....When I was in college I knew a lot of gays, and he was friendly and even gregarious and even thought them "cultured." He wasn't prejudiced at all. It wasn't until later that he underwent a radical change.
When my dad changed, he became obsessive. He got angrier. After he retired, he would sit in the kitchen and eat his lunch and listen to Rush Limbaugh for three full hours a day. God forbid you interrupt Rush.
You couldn’t argue with him. He was one angry, whirling, right-wing dervish. He even got mail from and gave money to the NRA though never owned a gun in his life. My mother found he wrote all these checks to various right-wing causes.
Rush's audience is 72% men and most are white over the age of 65, and with Fox and other outlets, it’s similar stats.
ROC: If you had 30 seconds to speak to Rush Limbaugh, what would you say?
JS: I guess I’d ask him a number of “why”s. Why do you do what you do? Is it the money? Do you believe what you say? Do you realize you have been a party to the destruction of families all across America by tearing them apart into “Dittoheads” versus non-Rushies? How do you feel about yourself? Are you proud of yourself? Then I would call him a Fat Fuck (not that there’s anything wrong with being fat).
http://www.alternet.org/media/how-talk-radio-...
If we want to read opinion pieces we would use Real Clear Politics.

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LCNLin

United States

#1000959 Oct 11, 2013
LoisLane59 wrote:
<quoted text>
The actual number of people who really couldn't afford health care was included with those who could but chose not to in the total number of the "uninsured".
How is that going to be any different now?
How many will just pay the penalty until they get sick and then sign up? How many will not pay the penalty OR sign up and just go to the ER as they've always done?
Even if millions sign up, unless young working males between the ages of 21 and 39 and those who live in states where premiums have doubled and tripled are willing to pay the brunt of the costs, who is going to end up paying for this?
All the IRS can do is write nasty letters and threaten to garnish wages if penalties aren't paid. Will they garnish the wages of the poor or turn them away from ERs?
The possible scenarios of this being an abject failure are endless.
More yarns in the morning.
LCNLin

United States

#1000960 Oct 11, 2013
LoisLane59 wrote:
<quoted text>
The only thing that's dysfunctional is Obama and Reid demanding complete ownership of this law because they think it belongs to them and because their plan is for a single-payer system down the road and their dogged determination to discredit Republicans no matter how many people are made to suffer in the process.
And, of course, liberal socialists such as yourself who are more than willing to hand Obama and Reid the control they so desire on a silver platter using the strong arm of a biased and dysfunctional IRS.
Republicans are divided temporarily on how best to save the country from Reid and Obama - and you.
No credibility after thousands of anti American posts.
for the win

Birmingham, UK

#1000961 Oct 11, 2013
No Surprize

Seminole, FL

#1000962 Oct 11, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
From county chairmen to national party luminaries, veteran Republicans across the country are accusing tea party lawmakers of staining the GOP with their refusal to bend in the budget impasse in Washington.
The Republican establishment also is signaling a willingness to strike back at the tea party in next fall's elections.
"It's time for someone to act like a grown-up in this process," former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu argues, faulting Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and tea party Republicans in the House as much as President Barack Obama for taking an uncompromising stance.
Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour is just as pointed, saying this about the tea party-fueled refusal to support spending measures that include money for Obama's health care law: "It never had a chance."
The anger emanating from Republicans like Sununu and Barbour comes just three years after the GOP embraced the insurgent political group and rode its wave of new energy to return to power in the House.
Now, they're lashing out with polls showing Republicans bearing most of the blame for the federal shutdown, which entered its 11th day Friday. In some places, they're laying the groundwork to take action against the tea party in the 2014 congressional elections.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/establishme...
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No Surprize

Seminole, FL

#1000963 Oct 11, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
As the Shutdown Continues, the GOP Bleeds Support
Notably, only 13 percent of self-identified Democrats view their own party unfavorably while 27 percent of Republicans view their own party unfavorably. Does this reflect the fact that a growing number of Republicans are convinced that the congressional GOP is going to surrender on Obamacare? It doesn’t look like it:
The GOP’s unfavorable rating among Republicans is up eight points from September, compared with a one-point rise in Democratic Party unfavorables among Democrats. These findings may be consistent with the widely circulated narrative that the Republican Party is internally splintered on how best to handle the budgetary negotiations.
Granted, the GOP’s unfavorable rating among Republicans was already a high 19 percent before the current budget confrontation commenced, and at least some Republicans were disgruntled because they felt the party wasn’t sufficiently conservative. But the Republican willingness to embrace confrontation doesn’t seem to have yielded any net gains in support among Republican voters. One can imagine a scenario in which the composition of GOP voters with an unfavorable view of the party has changed. That is, the number of Tea Party Republicans disappointed in the GOP might be shrinking as the number of somewhat conservative and moderate Republicans disappointed in the GOP might be growing. Yet any gains from the former have been more than outweighed by losses from the latter.
http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/360909/s...
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LCNLin

United States

#1000964 Oct 11, 2013
lily boca raton fl wrote:
How Talk Radio and Fox News Brainwashed My Dad
A filmmaker's father came to believe the extreme right-wing lies of Rush Limbaugh and other conservative media mavens.
October 10, 2013
Jen Senko is a filmmaker who watched in horror as her father slowly came to believe the extreme right-wing lies of Rush Limbaugh and other conservative media mavens. Now she’s making a documentary about it called The Brainwashing of My Dad.
So when Rush Limbaugh told him that poor people and Mexicans and blacks and feminazis were to blame for well, everything, he got mad too and took it up as his cause. He would get super-angry and bite the middle of his tongue and look like he was going to explode.
ROC: How exactly did his behavior change?
JS: When I was growing up my dad seemed to love everybody. I never heard any kind of talk against any race or ethnicity. He was funny and goofy and talked to anybody....When I was in college I knew a lot of gays, and he was friendly and even gregarious and even thought them "cultured." He wasn't prejudiced at all. It wasn't until later that he underwent a radical change.
When my dad changed, he became obsessive. He got angrier. After he retired, he would sit in the kitchen and eat his lunch and listen to Rush Limbaugh for three full hours a day. God forbid you interrupt Rush.
You couldn’t argue with him. He was one angry, whirling, right-wing dervish. He even got mail from and gave money to the NRA though never owned a gun in his life. My mother found he wrote all these checks to various right-wing causes.
Rush's audience is 72% men and most are white over the age of 65, and with Fox and other outlets, it’s similar stats.
ROC: If you had 30 seconds to speak to Rush Limbaugh, what would you say?
JS: I guess I’d ask him a number of “why”s. Why do you do what you do? Is it the money? Do you believe what you say? Do you realize you have been a party to the destruction of families all across America by tearing them apart into “Dittoheads” versus non-Rushies? How do you feel about yourself? Are you proud of yourself? Then I would call him a Fat Fuck (not that there’s anything wrong with being fat).
http://www.alternet.org/media/how-talk-radio-...
nobama is posting a lot of repeats,
carol off except for the repeat post.
Just dropped by to see if the tea party people continue to talk to each other :-)
Still warm here
LCNLin

United States

#1000965 Oct 11, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
As the Shutdown Continues, the GOP Bleeds Support
Notably, only 13 percent of self-identified Democrats view their own party unfavorably while 27 percent of Republicans view their own party unfavorably. Does this reflect the fact that a growing number of Republicans are convinced that the congressional GOP is going to surrender on Obamacare? It doesn’t look like it:
The GOP’s unfavorable rating among Republicans is up eight points from September, compared with a one-point rise in Democratic Party unfavorables among Democrats. These findings may be consistent with the widely circulated narrative that the Republican Party is internally splintered on how best to handle the budgetary negotiations.
Granted, the GOP’s unfavorable rating among Republicans was already a high 19 percent before the current budget confrontation commenced, and at least some Republicans were disgruntled because they felt the party wasn’t sufficiently conservative. But the Republican willingness to embrace confrontation doesn’t seem to have yielded any net gains in support among Republican voters. One can imagine a scenario in which the composition of GOP voters with an unfavorable view of the party has changed. That is, the number of Tea Party Republicans disappointed in the GOP might be shrinking as the number of somewhat conservative and moderate Republicans disappointed in the GOP might be growing. Yet any gains from the former have been more than outweighed by losses from the latter.
http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/360909/s...
Tea Party seems to be destroying the republican party
sonicfilter

Fishers, IN

#1000966 Oct 11, 2013
Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
I know this makes you mad but opinion pieces will be marked as spam by me.
Rather than people discussing their opinions, cluttering the forum with opinion pieces from both sides (if you want an opinion piece info war) would reduce this to nothing but a sad version of Real Clear.
<spam>
opinions....

"It's time for someone to act like a grown-up in this process,"

"It never had a chance."

An Associated Press-GfK poll released Wednesday showed why these party loyalists are so concerned: More Republicans told pollsters that the GOP is mishandling the shutdown than is handling it well. And among those who say it's being poorly handled, twice as many Republicans say the party is not doing enough to negotiate with Obama than those who say the party is doing too much.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/establishme...

spin any way you need to, but those are facts. which i will keep presenting no matter the Topix right wing nutjob state of denial.

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#1000967 Oct 11, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
<quoted text>
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 51% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Obama's job performance.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_conten...
on the rise.
and btw....republicans vote and they're not happy with republicans.
Many Republican respondents were unsparing in their view of what their representatives have been doing:
More than a third of Republicans disapproved of how their party’s members in Congress are doing their job, while nearly 40% said congressional Republicans were putting the party’s agenda above the good of the country [bold mine-DL].
When that many people in your own party are against what you’ve been doing, it is absurd to believe that you are in a position to “win” anything.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/lariso...
Obama(Care) who?
"53 percent unhappy with his performance and 37 percent approving of it." AP

37 percent approve of Obama. That's not much more than the 35 percent that would vote for Ming the Merciless if he were the Democrat running for president.

Without that built-in 35 percent that would vote for the corpse of a dead dog if it were the Democrat, Obama's job approval rating is at 2 percent.
... 2 percent.
Whatever

Gering, NE

#1000968 Oct 11, 2013
No Surprize wrote:
<quoted text>Detzing all the time bent over and punked by No Surprize Carol, you loser always something stuck in up your ass...
Detzing always eating someone elses shit, you looking like an ignorant idiot you dumbass....
The hazards of being a ghetto demokRAT you loser...
It's the culture...
Hey Surprise, do you remember before the election there was a person who would come to the forum and make arrogant remarks about how most of posters here was so below him in intelligence than would complain about lack of civility from others. Was that Patrick or Antonio?
sonicfilter

Fishers, IN

#1000969 Oct 11, 2013
Rush Limbaugh: The GOP’s Charlie Sheen

You have seen the NBC/WSJ poll results showing that the manufactured crises of the shutdown and the debt ceiling are eviscerating Republicans. You may have heard that the Koch Brothers are running like hell away from the implosion on Capitol Hill. But if you get your news and analysis only from Rush Limbaugh, this is what you’ll hear. Excerpt:

If Lee and Cruz had not done this, Obamacare would be imgresfully funded, the debt limit would have been increased, and whatever was happening at the exchanges would be a well-kept secret. But because Lee and Cruz insisted on this, the Democrats were exposed. Harry Reid: Why should I care about kids with cancer? Obama opening the National Mall for illegal aliens and keeping it closed to World War II vets. People ask whether the conversation is good for the country or not. Of course it is. Here’s the thing, folks — and this is something else I want to reiterate.

What the people inside the Beltway do not understand is that outside the Beltway, this is not just the Republicans versus Obama.

That’s not how the people view it.

This is the country opposed to Washington.… That’s how people outside the Beltway see this.

Let’s see … where have we heard this kind of thing before( http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/jokes... )? Ah yes. Heavy doesn’t accurately describe the level of casualties Cruz and Lee have inflicted.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher...

Since: Jun 13

Orlando, FL

#1000970 Oct 11, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>Good for him!
Obviously the boehner bunch are sweating and trying to buy time.
They should have done their work in the first place.
Just answer this question. If it's possible you can give a thoughtful answer, I mean.

Would you expect Democrats to sit quietly by and cave in to Republicans' demands if they refused to negotiate a law passed strictly on a Republican partisan vote of which the majority were and still are against and with unintended unfavorable consequences?

You do know Democrats have shutdown the government numerous times in the past and negotiations on the part of Republicans ended them?

Republicans would have never excluded Democrats from having any input or tweaking a law of this magnitude by refusing to negotiate in the first place. And Republicans would have never passed a law of this magnitude on a strictly partisan vote without one Democrat on board.

I know that was a lot to digest but just try and answer the first question.
No Surprize

Seminole, FL

#1000971 Oct 11, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>
nobama is posting a lot of repeats,
carol off except for the repeat post.
Just dropped by to see if the tea party people continue to talk to each other :-)
Still warm here
Obama's continued government shutdown proves just how brown shirt the USA, demokRats and Patrick have become since George Bush, comrade obama denying people freedom, controlling peoples lives, and denying people their rights..

By executive order Comrade obama, a sellout can fund, close or open anything you idiot...

Tear down this Wall obama...

When the Tea Party Patriots take back the country in 2014, you commies, brown shirt liberals and moochers will need to learn and fish or cut bait...

It's the culture...
sonicfilter

Fishers, IN

#1000972 Oct 11, 2013
<spam>! hands over my ears i can't hear you, blah blah blah blah blah.......

there seems to be some correlation between some of you folks and female sex organs.
tell_it_like_it_ IS

Oklahoma City, OK

#1000973 Oct 11, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>
nobama is posting a lot of repeats,
carol off except for the repeat post.
Just dropped by to see if the tea party people continue to talk to each other :-)
Still warm here
<spam>
No Surprize

Seminole, FL

#1000974 Oct 11, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
<quoted text>
opinions....
"It's time for someone to act like a grown-up in this process,"
"It never had a chance."
An Associated Press-GfK poll released Wednesday showed why these party loyalists are so concerned: More Republicans told pollsters that the GOP is mishandling the shutdown than is handling it well. And among those who say it's being poorly handled, twice as many Republicans say the party is not doing enough to negotiate with Obama than those who say the party is doing too much.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/establishme...
spin any way you need to, but those are facts. which i will keep presenting no matter the Topix right wing nutjob state of denial.
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