Barack Obama, our next President

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"The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep," Obama cautioned. Young and charismatic but with little experience on the national level, Obama smashed through racial barriers and easily defeated ...
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Cway

United States

#870834 Mar 8, 2013
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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Considering your brain's location being hidden to the rear of your Hermaphrodite sex organs, it is most improbable that you could credibly judge other brains with any degree of accuracy.
You risk losing your mind with each bowel movement.
A Half-Wit cannot properly sit in judgement of Ingenuity.
Hey, how's it going mental midget?

Still trying to be funny and not succeeding.

Some things never change.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#870835 Mar 8, 2013
Cway wrote:
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I see Sherlock is still trying to score points on Ford trivia.
Pret-ty pathetic.
Scoring has nothing to do with it.

Telling the truth does.

It's in my blood.

You haven't learned the concept yet being in Boy Messiah Mode:}
Cway

United States

#870836 Mar 8, 2013
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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During the next electrical storm, find shelter beneath a flag pole, Dood. You need something to light up your dull life.
Listen to this idiot.

"DUHHHH, you need something to light up your life. DUHHHH."

Keep 'em coming, mental midget.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#870837 Mar 8, 2013
Cway wrote:
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Hey, how's it going mental midget?
Still trying to be funny and not succeeding.
Some things never change.
Have you ever considered hiring someone to interpret the world correctly for you?

So far, you've done a rotten job by yourself.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#870838 Mar 8, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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Obesity is highly hereditary.
So is stupidity.

Nuculur thanks his momma and whoever the guy was.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#870839 Mar 8, 2013
Cway wrote:
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Listen to this idiot.
"DUHHHH, you need something to light up your life. DUHHHH."
Keep 'em coming, mental midget.
Your brain, on Frankenstein's Operating Table during an electrical storm, might come alive. Look 'im up, Dood.

It could only help.
Waxman

Windsor, CT

#870840 Mar 8, 2013
Commie scum:
Cway wrote:
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Carol,
A rather ugly side to the way your side "debates" is to dance away from the facts you can't answer.
I refer to the arrangement the Bush Administration made with pharmaceutical companies, where reprsentatives of the latter were allowed to participate in DEA evaluations of new drugs produced by the same companies!
This is a clear case of conflict of interest.
But even worse, it shows the extent to which Republicans not only fail in their obligation to be a watchdog over the private sector, but actually allows corporations to co-opt the watchdog function and bring in line with their goals.
We saw this again with MME, which allowed oil companies to actually fill out the government inspection reports of their safety standards. The BP diaster followed.
This underlies the true nature of the Republican Party which is to betray the public trust to corporate profit.
not even worth more than one post'
Cway

United States

#870841 Mar 8, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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From what I've read for myself on the Gulf of Tonkin-it was another clear case, of botched up instructions based on botched up MISinformation.
As in the MISinformed of stupid parrot squawk and repeat sayz, what the MISinformed of stupid parrot squawk and repeat doez.
You'll have to be more specific as this doesn't tell me much.

I will simply reiterate the passage from Prouty's "The Secret Team". Prouty states the CIA had operational control of all U.S. military units from 1954 to 1964 until the regular combat troops came in.

The CIA also ran an operation known as OPLAN34 (in "The Pentagon Papers" it is entitled 34A) which made use of unmarked aircraft and ships which attacked the North.

I don't think the Maddox and Turner Joy were part of OPLAN34. More likely they entered an area where OPLAN34 forces had just left, with North Vietnamese patrol boats in pursuit, mistaking the two destroyers as part of the raiding force.
Cway

United States

#870842 Mar 8, 2013
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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Your brain, on Frankenstein's Operating Table during an electrical storm, might come alive. Look 'im up, Dood.
It could only help.
The only thing amusing about this is that you think it's funny.
Neutral Party

Louisville, KY

#870843 Mar 8, 2013
I see that Cway approach is to belittle and discredit anything not flattering to government or liberal interests. When pointed out weaknesses in his argument, he plays the spin game remotely linking some conservative conflicting point.

These are how liberals operate. The belittling and name calling because no one can have a different opinion. I believe in the first amendment and those that try to shut me up mentally challenged and afraid of the truth.

Cway believes the government is the answer. I believe the people are the answer. Government suppresses, people achieve.
Blahblahblah

London, KY

#870844 Mar 8, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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FEMA grants should not be used to fund rebuilding on sand bars like the Rockaways or below sea level in New Orleans, future disasters just waiting to happen again.
What the heck you think built the skimped on levees to start with?

You know how many MILES of "sandbar type land" there is in the US?

(approx 12,383 miles (19,928 km) directly-that's not counting how far some of that extends inland.

Although anyone who would build/buy a place next to a levee system, or any similar type of scenario, should at least common sense enough to realize, the chances being taken in doing such, and have considerations enough that such then becomes a personal issue, between the doers of such and insurance companies, that should honor those who have sense, decency and honesty enough to faithfully contribute to the same.
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#870845 Mar 8, 2013
Cway wrote:
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You'll have to be more specific as this doesn't tell me much.
I will simply reiterate the passage from Prouty's "The Secret Team". Prouty states the CIA had operational control of all U.S. military units from 1954 to 1964 until the regular combat troops came in.
The CIA also ran an operation known as OPLAN34 (in "The Pentagon Papers" it is entitled 34A) which made use of unmarked aircraft and ships which attacked the North.
I don't think the Maddox and Turner Joy were part of OPLAN34. More likely they entered an area where OPLAN34 forces had just left, with North Vietnamese patrol boats in pursuit, mistaking the two destroyers as part of the raiding force.
I could see introducing the Pentagon Papers as good applicable use of resources when discussing Vietnam.

Is that better?

Hope so-cuz that's all you get lol.
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#870846 Mar 8, 2013
Cway wrote:
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You'll have to be more specific as this doesn't tell me much.
I will simply reiterate the passage from Prouty's "The Secret Team". Prouty states the CIA had operational control of all U.S. military units from 1954 to 1964 until the regular combat troops came in.
The CIA also ran an operation known as OPLAN34 (in "The Pentagon Papers" it is entitled 34A) which made use of unmarked aircraft and ships which attacked the North.
I don't think the Maddox and Turner Joy were part of OPLAN34. More likely they entered an area where OPLAN34 forces had just left, with North Vietnamese patrol boats in pursuit, mistaking the two destroyers as part of the raiding force.
But in the spirit of genorosity-since it's Friday night LIVE-

James Stockdale-Commander/Admiral US Navy, 1992 VP candidate (R Perot)

Quote-

"Not a ship, not the outline of a ship, not a wake, not a reflection, not the light of a single tracer bullet. Nothing."

Reporting HIS surveillance in regards to statements made on witnessing "torpedo runs" while aboard the U.S.S. Maddox.

Just for the pure sake of History.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#870848 Mar 8, 2013
Cway wrote:
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The only thing amusing about this is that you think it's funny.
Lying is not funny. Remember that the next time you try it.
Cway

United States

#870849 Mar 8, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Undone by the Vietnam War
Despite Johnson's success in promoting his domestic reform policies, however, his presidency was equally defined by the failure of his policies toward Vietnam. Like the three presidents before him, Johnson was determined to prevent North Vietnamese Communists from taking over the U.S.-supported government of South Vietnam. He believed that America's national security depended on containing the spread of communism around the world.
As part of this effort, Johnson steadily escalated U.S. military involvement in the Vietnam War. The number of American troops in Vietnam soared from 16,000 when he first took office in 1963 to more than 500,000 in 1968, yet the conflict remained a bloody stalemate. As the war dragged on and American and Vietnamese casualties mounted, anti-war protests rocked college campuses and cities across the U.S.
Johnson's popularity within his own party plummeted as well. When it appeared that he might face a stiff challenge for the 1968 Democratic presidential nomination, Johnson announced his decision not to run for re-election. "I shall not seek, nor will I accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president," he said in a nationally televised speech on March 31, 1968. Johnson explained that he wanted to focus on the peace process and pressing domestic issues without the distraction of a political campaign. The conflict in Vietnam, though, brought him nothing but pain and frustration during his last months in office, and U.S. military involvement in Vietnam continued for four years after his departure from Washington in January 1969.
History should always REMIND.
Bring the troops Home-NOT relocate them to "Libya" or anywhere else.
Again, Prouty is clear in his boook the CIA ran black operations against North Vietnam where unmarked U.S. aircraft and ships made unprovoked attacks. When fired upon, the CIA falsely claimed the communists fired first.

The CIA is hardly a liberal organization, and especially during the Cold War era.

Even if Johnson knew and approved, I don't see this as black mark against the mainstream Democrat Party. For the simple reason that it goes against the grain of Democrat philosophy to launch these kinds of wars. You never saw this kind of thing under Roosevelt or Truman.

I believe Johnson likely knew the Gulf of Tonkin was a set-up and likely knew the South Vietnamese government was not the democracy he and the CIA made it out to be.

Which makes him a rightist and a renegade within the Democrat ranks.

For all of which he was kicked out of the party in 1968.

I might add, LBJ was a close friend of J. Edgar Hoover, oil tycoons H.L. Hunt and Clint Murchison, and the Root Brothers of the Construction Giant, H.L. Root, which later received a lucrative contract in Vietnam. There was nothing liberal about Johnson. And his relationship with the Northeast wing of the Democrat party, especially the Kennedys, was strained to put it mildly.
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#870850 Mar 8, 2013
Cway wrote:
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Hey, how's it going mental midget?
Still trying to be funny and not succeeding.
Some things never change.
USS Maddox (DD-731), 1944-1972
Actions in the Gulf of Tonkin, August 1964

Amid steadily rising tensions over North Vietnam's activities in Laos and South Vietnam, at the end of July 1964 USS Maddox entered the Gulf of Tonkin for a cruise along the North Vietnamese coast. As part of a general U.S. effort to collect intelligence in potential Far Eastern hot spots, this "Desoto Patrol" was particularly focused on obtaining information that would support South Vietnamese coastal raids against North Vietnam. One of these had just taken place as Maddox began her mission.

On the afternoon of 2 August 1964, while steaming well offshore in international waters, Maddox was attacked by three North Vietnamese motor torpedo boats. The destroyer maneuvered to avoid torpedoes and used her guns against her fast-moving opponents, hitting them all. In turn, she was struck in the after gun director by a single 14.5-millimeter machine gun bullet. Maddox called for air support from the carrier Ticonderoga, whose planes strafed the three boats, leaving one dead in the water and burning. Both sides then separated.

Maddox was soon ordered to resume her patrol, this time accompanied by the larger and newer destroyer Turner Joy. On 3 August, the South Vietnamese conducted another coastal raid. Intelligence indicated that the North Vietnamese were planning to again attack the U.S. ships operating off their shores, although this intrepretation was incorrect. During the night of 4 August, while they were underway in the middle of the Tonkin Gulf, Maddox and Turner Joy detected speedy craft closing in. For some two hours the ships fired on radar targets and maneuvered vigorously amid electronic and visual reports of torpedoes.
Maddox was soon ordered to resume her patrol, this time accompanied by the larger and newer destroyer Turner Joy. On 3 August, the South Vietnamese conducted another coastal raid. Intelligence indicated that the North Vietnamese were planning to again attack the U.S. ships operating off their shores, although this intrepretation was incorrect. During the night of 4 August, while they were underway in the middle of the Tonkin Gulf, Maddox and Turner Joy detected speedy craft closing in. For some two hours the ships fired on radar targets and maneuvered vigorously amid electronic and visual reports of torpedoes.

Though information obtained well after the fact indicates that there was actually no North Vietnamese attack that night, U.S. authorities were convinced at the time that one had taken place, and reacted by sending planes from the carriers Ticonderoga and Constellation to hit North Vietnamese torpedo boat bases and fuel facilites. A few days later, the U.S. Congess passed the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, which gave the Government authorization for what eventually became a full-scale war in Southeast Asia.

Kinda like- WTH we doing in Libya, besides abetting to Failed Statehood-ism?
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#870853 Mar 8, 2013
Cway wrote:
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Again, Prouty is clear in his boook the CIA ran black operations against North Vietnam where unmarked U.S. aircraft and ships made unprovoked attacks. When fired upon, the CIA falsely claimed the communists fired first.
The CIA is hardly a liberal organization, and especially during the Cold War era.
Even if Johnson knew and approved, I don't see this as black mark against the mainstream Democrat Party. For the simple reason that it goes against the grain of Democrat philosophy to launch these kinds of wars. You never saw this kind of thing under Roosevelt or Truman.
I believe Johnson likely knew the Gulf of Tonkin was a set-up and likely knew the South Vietnamese government was not the democracy he and the CIA made it out to be.
Which makes him a rightist and a renegade within the Democrat ranks.
For all of which he was kicked out of the party in 1968.
I might add, LBJ was a close friend of J. Edgar Hoover, oil tycoons H.L. Hunt and Clint Murchison, and the Root Brothers of the Construction Giant, H.L. Root, which later received a lucrative contract in Vietnam. There was nothing liberal about Johnson. And his relationship with the Northeast wing of the Democrat party, especially the Kennedys, was strained to put it mildly.
SO I stand with my initial statement on what I'd read personally about the incident myself-

A mistake of MISinformation, based on squawk and parrot MISinformation.

Kind of like My Lai.

And Benghazi.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#870854 Mar 8, 2013
Blahblahblah wrote:
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What the heck you think built the skimped on levees to start with?
You know how many MILES of "sandbar type land" there is in the US?
(approx 12,383 miles (19,928 km) directly-that's not counting how far some of that extends inland.
Although anyone who would build/buy a place next to a levee system, or any similar type of scenario, should at least common sense enough to realize, the chances being taken in doing such, and have considerations enough that such then becomes a personal issue, between the doers of such and insurance companies, that should honor those who have sense, decency and honesty enough to faithfully contribute to the same.
If someone wants a house on a sand bar, that is entirely their right.

Just don't ask the taxpayers to cover their losses when the sand bar disappears.
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#870857 Mar 8, 2013
Cway wrote:
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And his relationship with the Northeast wing of the Democrat party, especially the Kennedys, was strained to put it mildly.
Can't blame him for that. Like docksider sailing loafers are navy been in combat boots or something :-).
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#870858 Mar 8, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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If someone wants a house on a sand bar, that is entirely their right.
Just don't ask the taxpayers to cover their losses when the sand bar disappears.
That's what I said. Duhmmy.

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