First, are you saying welfare is the death of democracy? We better be on guard against the Salvation Army, then.<quoted text>
When you take from those who work and give to those who wouldn't, the democracy," or in our case the republic, "ceases to exist."
Second, I can argue the corollary. When society reaches a point where the ultra-rich control most of the wealth, democracy ceases to exist in that fashion.
Better ask someone who is a communist diehard believer, then.To a communist-minded diehard believer, I’d like to ask just when you think the Cuban and North Korean states are going to flower into social-anarchist models of economic and social equality.
It happened in Russia under Gorbachev and Yeltsin. And it may come back one day. None of us can predict how these things play out over time. I might add, Nicaragua is socialist and vastly more free than it was under its U.S.-fostered dictator, Anastosio Somoza.Not only is it a sick joke to suppose that such governments will ever evolve into even this shortsighted morass of inanity, but that anarchism itself will ever manifest according to such a model.
Are you seriously suggesting the U.S. government, the Republicans in particular, do not exert any ifluence over U.S. markets? Such an argument is belied by the $4 billion in federal subsidies given to the oil companies. Not to mention agricultural subsidies.Since free or freed markets are the only ones consistent with the absence of political government, it follows that socialism could never endure on any large, lasting scale, absent an oppressive government bootheel [sic] to keep it hobbling along by armed force.
There are numerous socialist regimes going strong. Examples include China, Vietnam, Venezuela, Bolivia and Nicaragua. I will further add there are many shades of socialism, from the totalitarian one of China, to the democratic socialism of Nicaragua.
Again, the model above is not fully accurate. That is the totalitarian model. Not all socialist governments follow it.Such is the case now. And so, we can fully expect, will it ever be in the future. Human nature, and human desire, operates along quite different lines.It is more than instructive to take note of even a percentage of what is contained in Marx’s infamous 1848 Manifesto of the Communist Party: Abolition of all private land ownership, and rights of inheritance. Government monopolization of all transportation, communications, and educational systems.
How about the rightwing dictatorships the CIA fostered in Latin America for decades? These countries were ruled by rich families who controlled nearly all the wealth. They used the police and military to savagely opppress all political parties but their own. So please don't try to hang the repression label on socialists alone.