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#845956 Jan 24, 2013
The Hitler gun control lie
Gun rights activists who cite the dictator as a reason against gun control have their history dangerously wrong
If you’re going to impose a brutal authoritarian regime on your populace, better to disarm them first so they can’t fight back.
Unfortunately for LaPierre et al., the notion that Hitler confiscated everyone’s guns is mostly bogus. And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.
University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them.
The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did.“The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.
The law did prohibit Jews and other persecuted classes from owning guns, but this should not be an indictment of gun control in general. Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning? Should we eliminate all police officers because the Nazis used police officers to oppress and kill the Jews? What about public works — Hitler loved public works projects? Of course not. These are merely implements that can be used for good or ill, much as gun advocates like to argue about guns themselves. If guns don’t kill people, then neither does gun control cause genocide (genocidal regimes cause genocide).
some nutjob will hit us with: who cares what some professor said?
so Rush/FOX are accredited historians?
well they do know something about unicorns.
#845957 Jan 24, 2013
"Rush Limbaugh is a wind bag", but a high paid one. Ratings may come before the good of the Republican Party?
The GOP problem was R L was a leader of the Republican Party rather than Sen.John McCain, from 2009 to 2011.
Senator McCain's robust attack on Sec of State Hillary Clinton was in part theater.
McCain need to lead the party until someone can be found.
Bush family seems disinterested at the moment???
#845958 Jan 24, 2013
Start spreadin the news....
On pace for 100 this year!
Ban guns and Coca-Cola®
Since: Dec 10
#845959 Jan 24, 2013
Well, dufus, if it's that simple, just tell us.
Where will the money come from to pay for Obama's government?
A simple source of money is all that's required to answer this question.
#845960 Jan 24, 2013
Once again they see obama making a power grab ,nothing more , btw polls are easily manipulated , the best way to see how America feels about guns would be for you to volunteer to confiscate them .
#845961 Jan 24, 2013
Not enough brooms supplied there either following years of Oblowbag Kennedy regime huh?
How's the tax gouges going thar in Massa'gouge'emville this year? All the little working class above table peons gathering their pennies up okay?
#845962 Jan 24, 2013
now that they have guns they can just shoot all of the lowlifes who usually get away with rape.
Why Won’t the Military Take Troop-on-Troop Rape Seriously?
Rush will have a fit the first time one of his ilk gets shot.
#845963 Jan 24, 2013
Since: Dec 10
#845964 Jan 24, 2013
bullshit. Do you ever open your mouth and not lie....
He was making a statement in a one-way discussion. After getting to the part of the statement with generally nebulous definition, he uttered the words "act of terror" which could mean anything.
Then, the lies that would have been obvious to anyone in the White House who watched the 7-hour battle on the real-time video feed being watched in the White House started to come the very next day.
So, what happened to the Obama lie about the spontaneous demonstration that obviously didn't happen to everyone in the White House watching the real-time video of the 7-hour battle? You do remember Obama lying for two weeks about this, don't you?
#845965 Jan 24, 2013
The signification attributed to the term, Militia, appear from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense... And further, that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of a kind in common use at the time.
--US Supreme Court, US v Miller
It is undoubtedly true that all citizens capable of bearing arms constitute the reserved military force or reserve militia of the United States as well as of the States.
-- US Supreme Court, Presser v. Illinois
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
If women and girls would learn to shoot, they would add to their happiness by falling in love with one of the finest outdoor sports.
-- Annie Oakley
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1816
USC Title 10 (311 Militia: Composition and Classes) states, A: The Militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or have made declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States, and of female citizens of the United States who are commissioned officers of the National Guard.
Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
-- Winston Churchill
#845966 Jan 24, 2013
All interesting partisan questions, repeated hour by hour, on f*x news since September 11.
Issue was to help the Romney campaign and never caught on as an issue. Did not help campaign at all!
Like 9/11 and Pearl Harbor was an intelligence failure when viewed from a Monday Morning Quarterback view.
Yesterday may have put the issue to bed.
Expect to find this on topix........repeated each day :-)
"Then, tell us where the money will come from to pay for Obama's government."
..........where money comes from
except under republicans where it comes from borrowing
Since: Dec 10
#845967 Jan 24, 2013
Russia is not the home of Marxist communism. If you were educated, you'd know that the movement spread internationally from Germany.
And, I only identified the self-admitted Marxist communists that indoctrinated Obama his entire life. Then, I identified the Marxist communist that has the office immediately adjacent to the Oval Office.
It's obvious Obama was indoctrinated with Marxist communism his entire life.
There is no evidence or indication that he received any other education.
The obvious conclusion is, since he was surrounded by Marxist communists his entire life, and a Marxist communist was placed in the office immediately adjacent to the Oval Office, Obama is a Marxist communist.
I really think he's just a dupe. I don't think he can even define Marxism. He just does what he's ordered to do to continue riding in the gold seat on the government gravy train, and the people giving him the orders are Marxist communists.
#845968 Jan 24, 2013
The truth is, the Founders understood a “well regulated” militia to mean a militia “functioning/operating properly,” not a militia “controlled or managed by the government.” This is clearly evidenced by Alexander Hamilton’s discussion of militias in Federalist #29 and by one of the Oxford Dictionary’s archaic definitions of “regulate;”“(b) Of troops: Properly disciplined.”
The Founders intended that a well-regulated militia was to be the first, not the last line of defense against a foreign invader or social unrest. But, they also intended militias to be the last, not the first line of defense against tyrannical government. In other words, the Second Amendment was meant to be the constitutional protection for a person’s musket behind the door, later the shotgun behind the door and today the M4 behind the door—a constitutional guarantee of the right of individuals to defend themselves against any and all miscreants, private or government, seeking to do them harm.
The unfettered right to own and bear arms consecrates individual sovereignty and ordains the right of self-defense. The Second Amendment symbolizes and proclaims individuals’ right to defend themselves personally against any and all threatened deprivations of life, liberty or property, including attempted deprivations by the government. The symbolism of a heavily armed citizenry says loudly and unequivocally to the government,“Don’t Tread On Me.”
Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence said,“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Both Jefferson and James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, also knew that their government would never fear a people without guns, and they understood as well that the greatest threat to liberty was not foreign invasion or domestic unrest but rather a standing army and a militarized police force without fear of the people and capable of inflicting tyranny upon the people.
That is what prompted Madison to contrast the new national government he had helped create to the kingdoms of Europe, which he characterized as “afraid to trust the people with arms.” Madison assured his fellow Americans that under the new Constitution as amended by the Bill of Rights, they need never fear their government because of “the advantage of being armed.”
But, Noah Webster said it most succinctly and most eloquently:
“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.”
That is why the Founders looked to local militias as much to provide a check—in modern parlance, a “deterrent”—against government tyranny as against an invading foreign power. Guns are individuals’ own personal nuclear deterrent against their own government gone rogue. Therefore, a heavily armed citizenry is the ultimate deterrent against tyranny.
A heavily armed citizenry is not about armed revolt; it is about defending oneself against armed government oppression. A heavily armed citizenry is not about overthrowing the government; it is about preventing the government from overthrowing liberty. A people stripped of their right of self defense is defenseless against their own government.
#845969 Jan 24, 2013
so let's ask the right wing media about 'manipulated' polls. they really got that one right on election day.
yeah, you wingnuts are really hitting new lows with your usual 'no one is credible but us" BS. but hey, when it's all you've got....
facts are not your friend. never have been, never will be.
Since: Dec 10
#845970 Jan 24, 2013
Why calls for speculation.
The obvious fact is, Obama lied for two weeks trying to cover the terrorist attack up.
Care to explain why Obama lied for two weeks trying to cover up a terrorist attack?
#845971 Jan 24, 2013
McCain speaks from depths of experience that not everyone can comprehend. The good of the Republican party would entail NOT dissing anyone for just doing the job they were elected to do, WELL, especially during times of natural disaster for heavens sake.
Priorities of the REAL kind-natural disaster relief efforts FIRST-sorry poliTical agendas. America needs MORE people like THAT.
Maybe someone should give the ol' windbag a clue. There are many that would tell him to take his over rated earnings, and stuff it them in his blowhole, there are far worthier things in life to be content with.
Kind of like with the Bushes current, when the heck some you people gonna figure out, no Bush that is POTUS now...they have lives and families too.
Sheez...there's a few around that y'all can shore up lol.
#845972 Jan 24, 2013
A whole bunch of record low temps recorded the past 22 days in the USA or something like that....
#845973 Jan 24, 2013
Rand Paul says Clinton's outburst a 'valid point'
Sen. Rand Paul - the Kentucky conservative who told Secretary of State Hillary Clinton Wednesday he would have fired her for her response to the Benghazi attacks if he was president - acknowledged later the top diplomat had made a valid point when she angrily denounced Republicans focused on the administration's response to the attack.
Clinton was responding to Sen. Ron Johnson, a tea party backed Wisconsin Republican, who questioned Clinton about what he described as members of the administration "purposely misleading" the American people
"With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans," Clinton shot back. "Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night decided they'd go kill some Americans?"
Her fists shaking, she continued: "What difference, at this point, does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, senator."
Paul, who like Johnson was backed by the tea party during his bid for Senate in 2010, said after the hearings concluded that Clinton made a legitimate case.
"I think she has a little bit of a valid point," he said on CNN's "The Situation Room." "It's not so important whether or not it was a movie or what it was. I think what's important, though, in going forward is it not happen again."
let's see if FOX runs that story.
#845974 Jan 24, 2013
Give up your guns if you wish just leave mine alone , what gives you the right to dictate how I live or what I do , I know you think you know whats best for me and it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside , I don't need the govt. running my life and if they don't stop interfering with mine I will stop paying for yours .
#845975 Jan 24, 2013
the Court interprets the Constitution.
right wing blogs don't.
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