Barack Obama, our next President

"The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep," Obama cautioned. Young and charismatic but with little experience on the national level, Obama smashed through racial barriers and easily defeated ... Full Story
carol

Orlando, FL

#817403 Dec 5, 2012
OzRitz wrote:
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As much as you try to filter 50's ideology into a 21st century world it still comes back to bite. No one has ever said taxing the rich their fair share would fix all the problems, only Fox runs with that and you parrot what they say. It's all about people paying their fair share of tax whether you work at Walmart or Wall St. The percentage of tax should be higher the more you earn not LOWER. That's just about fairness, not fixing the freaking debt.
But here is the senerio, those dead beat Republicans who promised Tea party ppl like you not to ever vote to raise taxes will just let that fiscal cliff go by without coming to any compromise.
Once it is enforced, then they will vote to cut the taxes again so they can say they never voted to raise them. lol That is the typical idiots you have in this party you follow which destroys the country economy and allows rivals to keep progressing. While they run around fear mongering about anything that is mythical, like illegals, taxes, socialists, religion etc. Yet real science like climate change they choose to ignore.
You must not be aware that the top 2% pay the majority of taxes for the entire country already.

It's not about taxing the wealthy even more, it's about not cutting the massive waste and spending at the same time.

Heard someone say on TV Obama should start saying "successful" instead of "rich".

Kind of changes the context.
Lily Boca Raton Fl

Boca Raton, FL

#817404 Dec 5, 2012
Lincoln Duncan wrote:
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film The Other Son interesting
Was it in French? Sounds interesting.thanks. Would like to see Sessions
Lily Boca Raton Fl

Boca Raton, FL

#817405 Dec 5, 2012
OzRitz wrote:
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As much as you try to filter 50's ideology into a 21st century world it still comes back to bite. No one has ever said taxing the rich their fair share would fix all the problems, only Fox runs with that and you parrot what they say. It's all about people paying their fair share of tax whether you work at Walmart or Wall St. The percentage of tax should be higher the more you earn not LOWER. That's just about fairness, not fixing the freaking debt.
But here is the senerio, those dead beat Republicans who promised Tea party ppl like you not to ever vote to raise taxes will just let that fiscal cliff go by without coming to any compromise.
Once it is enforced, then they will vote to cut the taxes again so they can say they never voted to raise them. lol That is the typical idiots you have in this party you follow which destroys the country economy and allows rivals to keep progressing. While they run around fear mongering about anything that is mythical, like illegals, taxes, socialists, religion etc. Yet real science like climate change they choose to ignore.
Jan Brewer went to Afghanistan, punched a reporter! What is she going there for?
carol

Orlando, FL

#817407 Dec 5, 2012
Lily Boca Raton Fl wrote:
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Abortion is legal and personal. Scott Roeder and the other killers in the Army of God are the Christian Taliban
I noticed you didn't say life is precious. Can you?

Abortion becomes even more personal when it involves the beating of a human heart.

It's the callous disregard toward life, creating it and then destroying it, that might be legal but immoral. Like slavery.
carol

Orlando, FL

#817408 Dec 5, 2012
Lincoln Duncan wrote:
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Your cannon ball post makes no sense.
Agree that abortion is a tragedy ...would like to see as few as possible.
Country rejected the Republicans in 2012.
The country rejected limited government and incentives for job creation.

That means either the country is afraid to lose the government subsidies they have for fear of not finding a job and losing their benefits or they want more government and subsidies.

Social Security and Medicare benefits are going to be lost anyway without major reform.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#817409 Dec 5, 2012
carol wrote:
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You must not be aware that the top 2% pay the majority of taxes for the entire country already.
It's not about taxing the wealthy even more, it's about not cutting the massive waste and spending at the same time.
Heard someone say on TV Obama should start saying "successful" instead of "rich".
Kind of changes the context.
Cutting spending, I never heard such rubbish. Since Obama has been in office he has more spending cuts than any other president in history. Google it and see. Forget the bailouts. We are talking the normal budget, 1000's out of work in every state due to feds not funding any more. So tell me, how much more do you want him to cut ???

And this tripe about the rich paying , if a walmart employee pays only $10 tax and the Wall St guy pays $10,000 from his weekly pay check they are BOTH paying the same for what they earn. Why is it so hard to get this in your head, only crap like that comes from Hannity who keeps going on about rich paying all the tax. And you want to know why ? its because those same rich people are depriving that Walmart person from earning more to pay more tax so go figure. How do you plan on fixing that, is everyone going to get rich ? I don't think so.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#817410 Dec 5, 2012
Sometimes it takes a while, but the Baraqi Regime always finds a way to arm his supporters, in Mexico and now in the Middle East.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#817411 Dec 5, 2012
OzRitz wrote:
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The percentage of tax should be higher the more you earn not LOWER. That's just about fairness, not fixing the freaking debt.
Why is that "fair"?
carol

Orlando, FL

#817412 Dec 5, 2012
John Galt wrote:
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Too many lack the intelligence and/or discipline to practice birth control.
Which is what I found so ironic about the war on women and birth control.

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#817413 Dec 5, 2012
John Galt wrote:
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Why is that "fair"?
That also means fairness only applies to those grossing less than $200,000 a year.
carol

Orlando, FL

#817415 Dec 5, 2012
OzRitz wrote:
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Cutting spending, I never heard such rubbish. Since Obama has been in office he has more spending cuts than any other president in history. Google it and see. Forget the bailouts. We are talking the normal budget, 1000's out of work in every state due to feds not funding any more. So tell me, how much more do you want him to cut ???
And this tripe about the rich paying , if a walmart employee pays only $10 tax and the Wall St guy pays $10,000 from his weekly pay check they are BOTH paying the same for what they earn. Why is it so hard to get this in your head, only crap like that comes from Hannity who keeps going on about rich paying all the tax. And you want to know why ? its because those same rich people are depriving that Walmart person from earning more to pay more tax so go figure. How do you plan on fixing that, is everyone going to get rich ? I don't think so.
President Obama has a golden chance to keep the commitment he made before taking office. That reforming entitlement programs headed for insolvency is a must.

Unfortunately, he appears oblivious to the warnings about these programs.

The president's plan, delivered by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, is to cut total spending by a meager $400 million over 10 years while raising a net $1.6 trillion in new taxes.

Obama also proposes tens of billions in spending on stimulus projects and continuance of long-term unemployment insurance and the supposedly temporary payroll tax cut.

Republicans make a strong argument that increasing revenue by limiting deductions, rather than sharply hiking rates, would have less of an impact on economic growth.

With his obsession on tax rates rather than on debt and entitlements, the president does not look focused on finding a two-party solution for crises that two parties created.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/ed...

This is where we are.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#817416 Dec 5, 2012
John Galt wrote:
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Why is that "fair"?
As Bill Clinton would say "Do the math" Tax rates are designed so the whole population is taxed fairly. Check out any cilvilised country and see. They are within one or two percentage points in their tax rates. So it might be 20% up until $50k then anything over $50k goes to 30% etc. But it is NEVER measured in quantity like fox news measures it and you tea ppl. It is ALWAYS measured on percentage of income. So if a Walmart guy pays 20% of his or her income in tax then DO NOT try and convince me, that Mitt & his mates are doing the country proud by only paying 12% for what they earn.
I doesn't matter in the least even if Mitt pays $2-3 mill in tax and the Walmart guy only pays $10k total if he is not paying the percentage that is eqivalent to his earnings then the country is being ripped off.
proud2bwhite

Lockport, IL

#817417 Dec 5, 2012
Lily Boca Raton Fl wrote:
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Abortion is legal and personal. Scott Roeder and the other killers in the Army of God are the Christian Taliban
abortion is legal but not personal if someone else is forced to pay for it.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#817418 Dec 5, 2012
OzRitz wrote:
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As Bill Clinton would say "Do the math" Tax rates are designed so the whole population is taxed fairly. Check out any cilvilised country and see. They are within one or two percentage points in their tax rates. So it might be 20% up until $50k then anything over $50k goes to 30% etc. But it is NEVER measured in quantity like fox news measures it and you tea ppl. It is ALWAYS measured on percentage of income. So if a Walmart guy pays 20% of his or her income in tax then DO NOT try and convince me, that Mitt & his mates are doing the country proud by only paying 12% for what they earn.
I doesn't matter in the least even if Mitt pays $2-3 mill in tax and the Walmart guy only pays $10k total if he is not paying the percentage that is eqivalent to his earnings then the country is being ripped off.
"Fair" would be everyone paying the same dollar amount.

Slightly less fair would be everyone paying the same percentage.

But a small number of people paying all the taxes while half the people are freeloaders is grossly unfair.

But then, "fair" is purely in the eye of the beholder and everybody has their own definition.

And your opinion is just one of many.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#817419 Dec 5, 2012
carol wrote:
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President Obama has a golden chance to keep the commitment he made before taking office. That reforming entitlement programs headed for insolvency is a must.
Unfortunately, he appears oblivious to the warnings about these programs.
The president's plan, delivered by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, is to cut total spending by a meager $400 million over 10 years while raising a net $1.6 trillion in new taxes.
Obama also proposes tens of billions in spending on stimulus projects and continuance of long-term unemployment insurance and the supposedly temporary payroll tax cut.
Republicans make a strong argument that increasing revenue by limiting deductions, rather than sharply hiking rates, would have less of an impact on economic growth.
With his obsession on tax rates rather than on debt and entitlements, the president does not look focused on finding a two-party solution for crises that two parties created.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/ed...
This is where we are.
What entitlements do you propose cutting and what would the net effect be?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#817420 Dec 5, 2012
John Galt wrote:
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"Fair" would be everyone paying the same dollar amount.
Slightly less fair would be everyone paying the same percentage.
But a small number of people paying all the taxes while half the people are freeloaders is grossly unfair.
But then, "fair" is purely in the eye of the beholder and everybody has their own definition.
And your opinion is just one of many.
Well your definition of "fair" just so happens to match all the "Banana republics" version of fair. Where dictators rule and grab all the wealth of the country while their population starve.
Apart from that, there is NO country anywhere in the world that taxes at a flat rate unless it has a high VAT tax as well. It is all done on a sliding scale that increases as earnings increase including China!

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#817421 Dec 5, 2012
Just a reminder to those of you obsessed with this bs about low tax rates fixes everything..

More news from Greece, the worst tax avoiders on the planet.

On top of the litany of woes that have befallen Greece, comes the news that the eurozone's weakest link is also its most corrupt. From holding 80th place in the 176 countries on Transparency International's corruption perceptions index in 2011, Greece's global ranking, this year, fell to 94, the global watchdog announced on Wednesday. In terms of perceived levels of public corruption, Greece was on a par with Moldova and Mongolia. In the 27-strong EU, there was no other state that fared worse.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/05/g...
proud2bwhite

Lockport, IL

#817422 Dec 6, 2012
A family of 4 earning 500 a week, can recive 100% free healthcare,aprx $300 a month in food stamps,hud rental asistance, free phones,free heating fuel,and asistance for electric + they pay no income tax and recive a return for what they did not earn.
A family of 4 earning $1000 a week recives no bennifits, has to pay their own healthcare ,utilitys ,rent ,food,phone,pluse they have to pay taxes to support the family that makes 500.
At the end of the week the family earning 500 has cash to go out to eat and the family earning 1000 has hot dogs and beans.
Is that what democrats consider fair.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#817423 Dec 6, 2012
proud2bwhite wrote:
A family of 4 earning 500 a week, can recive 100% free healthcare,aprx $300 a month in food stamps,hud rental asistance, free phones,free heating fuel,and asistance for electric + they pay no income tax and recive a return for what they did not earn.
A family of 4 earning $1000 a week recives no bennifits, has to pay their own healthcare ,utilitys ,rent ,food,phone,pluse they have to pay taxes to support the family that makes 500.
At the end of the week the family earning 500 has cash to go out to eat and the family earning 1000 has hot dogs and beans.
Is that what democrats consider fair.
What do you believe is the answer for this, give them a $1000 a week or nothing. At some point there is a line where no assistance is given, all you are really arguing about is where to draw that line.
But the reality is , should you be complaining about the people behind you in the line, or the people in front ? Both negate the other. If you are at the head of the line, of course you will complain about all those behind, the other answer is obvious.
Obama is a joke

Emmaus, PA

#817424 Dec 6, 2012
OzRitz wrote:
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What do you believe is the answer for this, give them a $1000 a week or nothing. At some point there is a line where no assistance is given, all you are really arguing about is where to draw that line.
But the reality is , should you be complaining about the people behind you in the line, or the people in front ? Both negate the other. If you are at the head of the line, of course you will complain about all those behind, the other answer is obvious.
That all depends. Are the people who are making $500 a month working to their potential, or are they keeping a low paying job/not working full time just to get government money? Are they using the govrnment money that they get for necessities, or does each member of the family have an Iphone?

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