A different standard for GOP candidates?

A different standard for GOP candidates?

There are 83 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Sep 19, 2008, titled A different standard for GOP candidates?. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

Why does Ron Smith find it so unfair that the media are digging for dirt about Alaska Gov.

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Observer

Preston, MD

#1 Sep 19, 2008
Dear Thad,
I'm sorry to read you have a terminal case of headupyoass.
Sarah Palin is running for vice- president, not the presidency, but every liberal commentator has repeatedly questioned her qualifications, she is at least as qualified as Obama, but his qualifications are hardly ever mentioned. There is an incredible liberal bias in the media, but your headupyoass afflication keeps you seeing it.
Ken Leary

West Chester, OH

#2 Sep 19, 2008
Thad, You're right about the double standard but You've got it backward Dawg.
Peej

Atlanta, GA

#3 Sep 19, 2008
Actually, if you check the media coverage of Clinton vs the coverage of McCain or Palin (or most Republicans) you will find three basic differences:

1. When covering Dems, the media will write a story, but not probe too deeply, just so they can say they did so. When covering Republicans, the media will try to dig into every nook and cranny of a real or imagined story.

2. When Covering Dems, the media will treat the action being covered as the whole story. When covering Republicans, the media will try very hard to make leaps of logic such as (If A did this then it is obvious that the entire Republican party is also doing the same).

3. For Dem coverage, the media is usually apologetic. With coverage of Republicans, you can sense the "See! I told you these guys are evil...." in the language, and context that are used.

It is no surprise that the traditional media (print and broadcast) have been losing viewers, readers, etc. for the past 15 years.
Norm

Cartersville, GA

#5 Sep 19, 2008
There was ample documented evidence to send both Bill and Hillary to jail but they got a pass that many of their associates did not.
westmonster

Glen Burnie, MD

#6 Sep 19, 2008
Actually Peej there is no proof whatsoever for your assumptions. Please provide links to actual studies that show as much. I have never read any, and I doubt any exist.

And Ken, no he doesn't have it backwards. There has long been a double standard between republicans and democrats. Bill Clinton was nearly impeached because he lied about sex. Bush rides high and dry and republicans cry bloody murder if you even suggest he misled us into a costly and deadly war. Yet, by every measurable standard he did. There were no WMD, and we knew that (see the "Downing Street Memos").

Then you have Rove refusing to obey a congressional subpoena and citing executive privilege, despite the fact that the court just ruled Presidential aides can't claim such a privilege. We have energy company insiders writing our national energy strategy and policy, we have a horse racer in charge of disaster relief (until of course that became too much to bear).... and the list goes on. The hypocrisy is ridiculous. Republicans would call out the democrats if we were this incompetent.
westmonster

Glen Burnie, MD

#7 Sep 19, 2008
Cite some evidence Norm, what would have sent them to jail? That really must be one of the most foolish comments I've seen in a while. What crimes did they commit? You mean the bogus and unsubstantiated claims and accusations made during the whitewater investigations??

You know, the ones spurred on by super conservative zealots like kenn Starr? Yeah, they delved deeper into the Clinton's than anyone had ever done including their real estate dealings and they found.......NOTHING.
Magicman

Richmond, TX

#8 Sep 19, 2008
Actually most media made the Clinton investigations out to be a vendetta instead of reporting the facts. There is also quite a difference between Clinton's & Plain's situation as well.
RRT-MD

Columbus, IN

#9 Sep 19, 2008
Perhaps Mr Paulhamus doesn't remember why Bill Clinton was impeached. Governor Clinton had a Arkansas state trooper bring Paula Jones to his hotel room where he exposed himself and demanded she perform fallatio. When she refused, he had her fired from her state job. After he became President, Ms Jones sued him in a federal court. He perjured himself in that court when he claimed he had never had extra marital sex. Because of a semen stain he had left on the dress of a White House intern, he cut a bargain with the court that required him to pay almost a $1M to Ms Jones and he lost his license to practice law. He was impeached, but all congressional democrats voted against it since they saw nothing wrong in his conduct. The press, during the time explained this all away as just "lying about sex" which should only be an issue between the President and his wife. If Bill Clinton had been the President of Joe's Dog Walking Service, he would have been fired and jailed for his relationship with the intern. Instead, he proclaimed "oral sex" as not really sex, to the continuing gratitude of teen age boys across the country!
Dave

Hyattsville, MD

#10 Sep 19, 2008
Gads, the computer and google are jumping in Westmonster's house again. Stand by for quotes, articles, references, etc...... and especially selected memory and "spin."
Bill Hubbard

Melbourne, FL

#11 Sep 19, 2008
Noone had to dig to find dirt on Clinton. It was everywhere.
larry g

Baltimore, MD

#12 Sep 19, 2008
Dave wrote:
Gads, the computer and google are jumping in Westmonster's house again. Stand by for quotes, articles, references, etc...... and especially selected memory and "spin."
here is some spin for you Dave

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/19/8...
Not Surprised

Rockville, MD

#13 Sep 19, 2008
Thad, of course there is a double standard. The Repubs never want to live up to the same standards that they ply onto others. Remember when the news of President Chimpie's DUI was met with a yawn? You never heard about that on Ron Smith's show. Now we have a VP nominee with a 17 yo pregnant daughter. If Palin was a Dem, the Repubs and Smith would have a field day with how the mother had abandoned her family to work and that was the consequence. Ron Smith and his ilk are just entertainers who make a whole lot of money keeping the Repub lemmings walking in a straight line -- and it is working judging from some of these responses.
Peej

Atlanta, GA

#14 Sep 19, 2008
westmonster wrote:
Cite some evidence Norm, what would have sent them to jail? That really must be one of the most foolish comments I've seen in a while. What crimes did they commit? You mean the bogus and unsubstantiated claims and accusations made during the whitewater investigations??
You know, the ones spurred on by super conservative zealots like kenn Starr? Yeah, they delved deeper into the Clinton's than anyone had ever done including their real estate dealings and they found.......NOTHING.
Check the media research council as they have been tracking this for nearly 15 years.

And as to providing sources - the tone of your comments indicate that you would not dismiss any source that supports conclusions different than yours.
Peej

Atlanta, GA

#15 Sep 19, 2008
westmonster wrote:
Actually Peej there is no proof whatsoever for your assumptions. Please provide links to actual studies that show as much. I have never read any, and I doubt any exist.
And Ken, no he doesn't have it backwards. There has long been a double standard between republicans and democrats. Bill Clinton was nearly impeached because he lied about sex. Bush rides high and dry and republicans cry bloody murder if you even suggest he misled us into a costly and deadly war. Yet, by every measurable standard he did. There were no WMD, and we knew that (see the "Downing Street Memos").
Then you have Rove refusing to obey a congressional subpoena and citing executive privilege, despite the fact that the court just ruled Presidential aides can't claim such a privilege. We have energy company insiders writing our national energy strategy and policy, we have a horse racer in charge of disaster relief (until of course that became too much to bear).... and the list goes on. The hypocrisy is ridiculous. Republicans would call out the democrats if we were this incompetent.
Bill Clinton was impeached because he lied under oath! What he lied about should be irrelevant.

He also was fined and disbarred for lying under oath.

As to your "any measurable standard" comment, please provide links to actual studies that Bush lied.
Wallace

Washington, DC

#16 Sep 19, 2008
God is going to fix all of this...Everyone should just stop doing what they are doing...Don't look at your 401K. Don't worry about losing your home. Don't worry about Iraq, Iran, Russia, and North Korea. Stop worrying about families unable to feed their kids, and buy gas. Don't worry about the Republicans getting ready to do to Social Security, what they have just done to the market...DOn't worry about dumb and dumbette having a finger on the button and the economy. Don't worry about the gays attacking marriage. Just get on your knees, open your bibles, and pray to sweet King Jesus! But before you do, have some of this special Kool-aid...for $9.95, plus shipping and handling (all proceeds going to the Republican party and John McCain) It is guaranteed to make all your problems vanish...As previously tested by Jim Jones with a 100% satisfaction rate!

Go Republicans! Keep delusions alive!
Rico

Baltimore, MD

#17 Sep 19, 2008
westmonster wrote:
Bill Clinton was nearly impeached because he lied about sex.
Once again, you present only part of the story. You forgot to add two words to the end of your sentence..."UNDER OATH".

That is a CRIME.
Rico

Baltimore, MD

#18 Sep 19, 2008
larry g wrote:
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here is some spin for you Dave
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/19/8...
Larry, I've told you before...do your homework:

The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him.[25][24] McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising "poor judgment" when he met with the federal regulators on Keating's behalf.[6] The report also said that McCain's "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him....Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate."[28] On his Keating Five experience, McCain has said: "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do."[6]

After McCain became a leading Republican contender for the U.S. presidency in the 2000s several retrospective accounts of the controversy contended that McCain was included in the investigation primarily so that there would be at least one Republican target.[29][30][31][11] Glenn's inclusion in the investigation has been attributed to Republicans who were angered by the inclusion of McCain, as well as committee members who thought that dropping Glenn (and McCain) would make it look bad for the remaining three Democratic Senators.[29][31] Democrat Robert S. Bennett, who was the special investigator during the scandal, suggested to the Senate Ethics Committee that it pursue charges against neither McCain nor Glenn, saying of McCain, "that there was no evidence against him."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_5
Rico

Baltimore, MD

#19 Sep 19, 2008
Not Surprised wrote:
Remember when the news of President Chimpie's DUI was met with a yawn?
Kind of like Obama's admitted cocaine use?

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Since: Jun 08

Greensboro, NC

#21 Sep 19, 2008
Peej wrote:
Actually, if you check the media coverage of Clinton vs the coverage of McCain or Palin (or most Republicans) you will find three basic differences:
1. When covering Dems, the media will write a story, but not probe too deeply, just so they can say they did so. When covering Republicans, the media will try to dig into every nook and cranny of a real or imagined story.
2. When Covering Dems, the media will treat the action being covered as the whole story. When covering Republicans, the media will try very hard to make leaps of logic such as (If A did this then it is obvious that the entire Republican party is also doing the same).
3. For Dem coverage, the media is usually apologetic. With coverage of Republicans, you can sense the "See! I told you these guys are evil...." in the language, and context that are used.
It is no surprise that the traditional media (print and broadcast) have been losing viewers, readers, etc. for the past 15 years.
In the words of the man your worship...."Well, there you go again."

I like this one better:
"Are you better off today"....(I think you know the rest!
pajoyo

Washington, DC

#22 Sep 19, 2008
Rico wrote:
<quoted text>
Kind of like Obama's admitted cocaine use?
President Chimpie's cocaine abuse was also met with a yawn.

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