Huntington mom sues school over religious ed class

Nov 14, 2008 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WHAS-TV Louisville

A parent is suing the Huntington County Community School Corp. in federal court, saying religious education classes held on school property violate the establishment clause of the Constitution.

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Aaron

South Bend, IN

#1 Nov 15, 2008
It is a shame when even in small town America we want to kick God out of everything. Our country was founded upon Judeo-Christian principles and many of the framers of our wonderful Constitution were Christians themselves. Just so it is known, the phrase "separation of church and state" never appears in the Constitution despite what the schools teach today. That statement appeared in a letter between Thomas Jefferson and church leaders in Connecticut who were concerned that the government would restrict their freedom to practice their faith. The spirit and intention was not to remove God from the public square but to state that the practice of the Christian religion should not be restricted. Besides, as Americans, we have the frredom of choice. If one does not want to participate in church activities, that is ok. But, it is not right to keep others from participating in the bible trailer activities if they so desire. We have seen the disastrous consequences of removing prayer (1963) and the Ten Commandments from the schools (1980) by the sharp moral decline in our country (check out divorce rates, children out of wedlock, drug use, etc. increases since 1963). It is appalling! If anything, we need to get God back in our country. We need to turn our eyes to Him and recognize Him as the one who not only provides for our needs, created our world, but who gave His one and only Son to die for us (John 3:16). Thank you for allowing me to post this comment!!
Robin Lee

South Bend, IN

#2 Nov 16, 2008
I completely disagree with her. There is no reason to punish all the children just becouse she don't want her child to take part. There is no reason her boy can't just stay in the class room while all the other children enjoy the program. The kids are getting a nice break from regular activites and getting great moral instruction on top of it. I think the bible trailor is a great thing to have and I wish that all the grades could take part. My son who is 9 now really wanted to go when he first started there.
Further more it should not matter if it is in the school parking lot or not. It is not in the school and I do not think Horace Mann would let them do it in the building anyway just becouse of people like her. I know this first hand becouse while my son went there he was told he could not bring his bible into school and the did not want him to read it even during resess (which is there personal time to play or read.) Not to mention the fact that if they want to pray the kids will have to pray quitly to them self just so no one knows the are doing it.This is one of the reasons I pulled him from the public school system and put him in a christian school. Its sad that we have the freedom of religion, but yet we can not exersize it,we have the freedom to say and read what we want, but we can only do it privatly in our home or church. We have the freedom to exspress our religion and beleifs as long as its not to other people.When it is said out loud like that it sounds like we are turning into those other countrys like China, Iraq ect. Who claim the freedom of religion. We can talk,teach,write,and,dispaly images of greek gods, mohamid, budda,ect but not the one carpenter who we as christians call the son of God,the one man who's teachings is the foundation of ALL our laws, the one and only real example of love.The only GOD in this world who most important comand for people is to LOVE each other, And yet after 2,000 years we as people still condem him and cast him out when he is the only one who love all people and only wants what best for us.
Also from Huntington

United States

#3 Nov 16, 2008
Sounds like this woman is lacking in the attention-getting department. She's suing the school system because she doesn't want her son in the Bible program, but what about the children that DO want to attend the program?

Lady, if you don't want your child to attend then request that he not attend! It's that simple!
dodson citizen

Atlanta, GA

#4 Nov 16, 2008
Could someone explain to me The Bible Program to me, and how can i get it into a small school in N Louisiana.
Eric

Hanover Park, IL

#6 Nov 16, 2008
I don't have a problem with religious instruction--even religious instruction on school property like any other club or school organization. I have a problem with it being during school instructional time. Our country is having a problem finding enough time to give instruction to our kids. To take away from that time is a waste of resources. Note that during the religious instruction time no child is receiving curriculum instruction, whether they take part in the program or not. If parents want their kids to have religious instruction, let the churches offer it in the same trailers after school. Even better, don't waste money on the trailers, let the churches offer the instruction in the building. But, not during school time.

Finally, look at the postings made by the advocates of the program. From the grammar it would appear that the contributors would have benefited more from staying in class.
Eric

Hanover Park, IL

#8 Nov 16, 2008
Bob wrote:
Eric--
You're a waste.
Why, because my parents made sure I attended class during the school day, and went to religious school on Wednesdays after school and on Sunday mornings?
Slayer

Valparaiso, IN

#9 Nov 17, 2008
Those are Public Schools , there should be no religion taught there .
That's what churches are for , the schools seem to think they can Keep a Hand in everything when it comes to OUR children .
It is not the Schools Right To Teach Religion !
Slayer

Valparaiso, IN

#10 Nov 17, 2008
You People that cry " Not Fair " , just don't get the point of right and wrong .
Jimminy Glick

South Bend, IN

#11 Nov 20, 2008
How would you like it if the radical Muslims set up a trailer on school property to teach about "God" and the jihad to your kids? Where do you draw the line? Who decides which "brand" of religion is taught at public school? These people are way out of line. Period
Caroline Schmaelzle

United States

#12 Nov 25, 2008
I don't have a problem with them teaching religion in a trailor on school property. But if they are going to teach one type of religion then they should teach about all types of religion, that way our childern are more knowledgeable about all types of religion and therefore can make a more knowledgable choice when chooseing which, if any religion they want in thier life. Most parents teach their kids, their religion. I feel all childern at a certain age, should have the right and knowledge of choosing for themselves which type of religion (if any) they want in thier lives. It is the CONTROLING type of people in this country that want to control everything around them that causes problems like this... How is having a religion trailor on school property hurting anyone? If you have to control your childern so much as to not let them choose things for themselves in thier schooling then most likely those childern will go through life looking to others for approval, and not making thier own chocies.
sara

Marion, IN

#13 Dec 2, 2008
Aaron wrote:
It is a shame when even in small town America we want to kick God out of everything. Our country was founded upon Judeo-Christian principles and many of the framers of our wonderful Constitution were Christians themselves. Just so it is known, the phrase "separation of church and state" never appears in the Constitution despite what the schools teach today. That statement appeared in a letter between Thomas Jefferson and church leaders in Connecticut who were concerned that the government would restrict their freedom to practice their faith. The spirit and intention was not to remove God from the public square but to state that the practice of the Christian religion should not be restricted. Besides, as Americans, we have the frredom of choice. If one does not want to participate in church activities, that is ok. But, it is not right to keep others from participating in the bible trailer activities if they so desire. We have seen the disastrous consequences of removing prayer (1963) and the Ten Commandments from the schools (1980) by the sharp moral decline in our country (check out divorce rates, children out of wedlock, drug use, etc. increases since 1963). It is appalling! If anything, we need to get God back in our country. We need to turn our eyes to Him and recognize Him as the one who not only provides for our needs, created our world, but who gave His one and only Son to die for us (John 3:16). Thank you for allowing me to post this comment!!
this is probably the coolest thing i have ever read in my ife i couldnt agree more thanks so much for sayingthis.
Slayer

Valparaiso, IN

#14 Dec 4, 2008
Robin Lee wrote:
I completely disagree with her. There is no reason to punish all the children just becouse she don't want her child to take part. There is no reason her boy can't just stay in the class room while all the other children enjoy the program. The kids are getting a nice break from regular activites and getting great moral instruction on top of it. I think the bible trailor is a great thing to have and I wish that all the grades could take part. My son who is 9 now really wanted to go when he first started there.
Further more it should not matter if it is in the school parking lot or not. It is not in the school and I do not think Horace Mann would let them do it in the building anyway just becouse of people like her. I know this first hand becouse while my son went there he was told he could not bring his bible into school and the did not want him to read it even during resess (which is there personal time to play or read.) Not to mention the fact that if they want to pray the kids will have to pray quitly to them self just so no one knows the are doing it.This is one of the reasons I pulled him from the public school system and put him in a christian school. Its sad that we have the freedom of religion, but yet we can not exersize it,we have the freedom to say and read what we want, but we can only do it privatly in our home or church. We have the freedom to exspress our religion and beleifs as long as its not to other people.When it is said out loud like that it sounds like we are turning into those other countrys like China, Iraq ect. Who claim the freedom of religion. We can talk,teach,write,and,dispaly images of greek gods, mohamid, budda,ect but not the one carpenter who we as christians call the son of God,the one man who's teachings is the foundation of ALL our laws, the one and only real example of love.The only GOD in this world who most important comand for people is to LOVE each other, And yet after 2,000 years we as people still condem him and cast him out when he is the only one who love all people and only wants what best for us.
I pay the schools to teach my children to read write learn history and math , not to teach my children religion .
I will teach my second graders religion along with my church . Those teachers in that town already rob the children 30 mins. evryother weds. by making them start school a half hour later , so they can sit on thier hind ends and chat without the children bothering them .
Those schools have poor performance records compared to other states , yet they continue to increase the schools share of tax dollars .
While the children are in the trailer , the rest get no instruction . How much sense does that make ? Is religion a class credit now ?
Mom

United States

#15 Dec 6, 2008
So why don't the kids who don't go to the bible trailor work on their AR points? Why not use that time to read, study spelling words, polish up on areas that perhaps he/she are lacking in?
Concerned Grandparent

Morgan Hill, CA

#16 Dec 8, 2008
Religious freedom is a large part of our inherent freedoms and if that means if the mom doesn't want her child to attend, he shouldn't have to, HOWEVER, leave those that wish to alone.
Yogi

Morgan Hill, CA

#17 Dec 8, 2008
Let's get a letter writing campaign going so when the judge hears this case in Jan., 2009 he/she understands how the majority feels about the Bible Trailer. Let's do something RIGHT for a change!
Robin Lee

Mishawaka, IN

#18 Jan 7, 2009
You know we were given the freedom of religion in this country NOT the freedom from religion. It is people like this lady who is trying to take away that freedom. I am sick of people crying about how much CHRIST is in our school/gov/public places,yet you dont here complants about other religions in those same places Mythical Gods all over Gov. buildings they dont cry out "tear it down" do they. When we hand out a flyer for our religion we are out side of our rights yet someone can hand out scientology,buddeist,hindu ect. and know one says a thing just put it in the pocket a politly say thank you, You know what its not even a fight over GOD you can talk about GOD with people all day long but the second you bring up the name Jesus Christ there face will change in a second this fight is about errasing Christ from our Country.
Surf52

Baltimore, MD

#19 Jan 8, 2009
If we treated this woman to a few days of the inquisition, I'm sure she'd change her viewpopint.
GOD

Oak Forest, IL

#20 Jan 8, 2009
Just another insecure fringe liberal who needs a way to be heard. They are so annoying though! Remember the good'ol day when such fools stayed in the closet along with their qu**r bretheren? Maybe it's time the law abiding, God fearing folks teach them a lesson? Take back OUR country!
james -

Fishers, IN

#21 Jan 14, 2009
what has happened to our country? we strive to bring goodness to the rest of the world, and in our own back yard there are those among us that try to tear us apart,if you dont want youre child to attend the bible trailer, maybe you can move to another country that does not have them,IRAN,afganistan,yemen to name a few,im sure that if we pool our money together we the folks that actually attended the bible trailer the last 35 years could contribute for the plane fare for you, but not youre child, cause im sure if you asked them it really is not that big a deal.WAKE UP AMERICA! this is our country, take it back...
Ex-Huntington Resident

Minneapolis, MN

#22 Jan 15, 2009
Jimminy Glick wrote:
How would you like it if the radical Muslims set up a trailer on school property to teach about "God" and the jihad to your kids? Where do you draw the line? Who decides which "brand" of religion is taught at public school? These people are way out of line. Period
I was FORCED 40 yrs ago, to pray to "Jesus" and I am NOT Christian. The school district was "slapped" then and TOO BAD they didnt learn their lesson then. It is AGAINST the law. Simple~ What is SOOOOO difficult to understand about this?

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