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bald eagles taste like chicken.

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Come on, Mitt, WTF!! A statement like this blows it for the "environmental" people and the wildlife enthusiasts out there.
"The administration brought a criminal action against the people drilling up there for oil, this massive new resource we have. And what was the cost? 20 or 25 birds were killed and brought out a migratory bird act to go after them on a criminal basis.
Look, I want to make sure we use our oil, our coal, our gas, our nuclear, our renewables. I believe very much in our renewable capabilities; ethanol, wind, solar will be an important part of our energy mix."
This woud have made a far better impact:
"20 or 25 birds were killed and brought out a migratory bird act to go after them on a criminal basis."
Next paragraph.........
"Look, I want to make sure we use our oil, our coal, our gas, our nuclear, our renewables... to the extent they are reliable AND ecofriendly. But what the Obama administration doesn't tell people about this wind power he pushes so much is that tall structures, such as wind turbines, kill TENS OF MILLIONS of birds every year. And they plow under FOREVER millions of acres to do it.... for an energy source that's intermittant at best.
Look, just Google 'Altamont Pass bird kills.' That's just ONE wind farm and it only represents ONE study, of mainly just ONE species- the Golden Eagle. Now this is a very large bird that's easy to see laying dead out there over thousands of acres. What about the other 800 or so bird species across the continent that are much smaller and never get found after they've been killed on wind farms that span for miles and miles? You see, I care about being energy independant, and I also care about the environment. Wind power isn't as green as President Obama would like everyone to believe. I wonder, why hasn't he brought out the Migratory Bird Act against the Big Wind companies?
"TENS OF MILLIONS" eh?

PROVE it.
You can not.

How much wind energy you need today Raptor? Hang on a few hours it'll be there soon.
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BTW Raptor, your link in your prior post does not work.

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And they plow under FOREVER millions of acres to do it.... for an energy source that's intermittant at best.
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A bit melodramatic I'd say, and untruthful to boot.

Would you like to see some photos of RECLAIMED farm ground that WAS a wind farm at one time? Is not concrete removable and the ground then plowable again?

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"TENS OF MILLIONS" eh?
PROVE it.
You can not.
How much wind energy you need today Raptor? Hang on a few hours it'll be there soon.
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Is this proof enough?
From first link:
The purpose of this document is to increase public awareness of the potential impacts of towers and other human-made structures by highlighting some of the pertinent literature on the subject. The bibliography focuses primarily on collisions with communication towers, lighted buildings, and (to a lesser degree) windows. No effort has been made to cover collisions with power lines or wind turbines,...
http://library.fws.gov/bird_publications/bird...

Notice the date-Revised 1998. Also that there have been NO studies on wind turbines as of that date, according to this article.

From second link:
Communication towers estimates of bird kills are impossible to make because of the lack of data, but totals could easily be over 5 million birds/year, and possibly as many as 50 million. Towers have proliferated in recent years, with an estimated 5000 new towers erected per year during the 1990s, mainly for the cell phone and digital TV industries. Any tall structure will kill birds by collision, and lighted towers attract birds at night. Theoretically cellphone towers are less dangerous than the taller structures, but there is no data either way, and the sheer number of cell phone towers may outweigh any other advantage.
....and there is a real need for more study of the relationship between birds and wind farms.
http://www.sibleyguides.com/conservation/caus...

From third link:
Millions of migratory birds are killed by striking tall buildings, TV and radio towers, lighthouses, and edifices such as the Perry Monument on Lake Erie.

One September night the 555-foot high Washington Monument took a toll of 576 vireos and warblers between 10:30 P.M. and midnight. A newly erected TV tower on the outskirts of Topeka, Kansas killed 1,090 birds of 61 species over a period of several days. A TV tower at Eau Claire, Wisconsin killed an estimated 20,000 vireos and warblers the night of September 19 -20, 1963.
http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll...

For anyone to make the claim that wind turbines kill fewer birds than communication towers is just ridiculous.
First question: Has this issue been studied yet or not? If so, at how many wind farms and for how many seasons?
Second question: If birds are slamming into lighted communication towers and other tall buildings during their nighttime migrations, how in the world are they missing the wind turbines, which are also lighted, the same height in many cases, and take up even more surface area than a cell tower?
Third question: How many wind turbines exist compared to the number of cell towers?

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A bit melodramatic I'd say, and untruthful to boot.
Would you like to see some photos of RECLAIMED farm ground that WAS a wind farm at one time? Is not concrete removable and the ground then plowable again?
Of course concrete can be removed and earth can be plowed. The problem then lies with what will grow there. Usually non-native invasive weeds take over the native plants these days.

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BTW Raptor, your link in your prior post does not work.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/oct/15/a...

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A bear goes in human territory and it gets killed. A human goes in bear territory and the bear gets killed. What kind of sick society have we created? Humans need to get the hell out of Alaska if they don't want to be bear food! This guy had no protection from bears? No gun? No bear spray? Get real! He deserved what he got.
http://www.ktvn.com/story/19827618/bear-mauli...

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A bear goes in human territory and it gets killed. A human goes in bear territory and the bear gets killed. What kind of sick society have we created? Humans need to get the hell out of Alaska if they don't want to be bear food! This guy had no protection from bears? No gun? No bear spray? Get real! He deserved what he got.
http://www.ktvn.com/story/19827618/bear-mauli...
There was absolutely nothing in that article that said one word about what personal protection he may or may not have had on that trip.
Did he purposefully go onto that beach or was a mechanical failure to blame? He got what he deserved because his boat quit? Give me a break.
You talk like he went there on purpose with no protection whatsoever. That is simplely untrue and there is no way to know what personal protection he had or did not have.

How would YOU, all by yourself, protect a cache of food from hungry bears?

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Of course concrete can be removed and earth can be plowed. The problem then lies with what will grow there. Usually non-native invasive weeds take over the native plants these days.
You can grow just about anything you wish in any soil. All you have to do is find out what the soil lacks for your particular crop and add it to the soil and mix it in. Simple really.
I can show you a spot that has been drenched in used motor oil many times over a period of years and the grass looks just like the grass next to it. Yes, there is grass growing on the used motor oil drenched spot.

The problem is you, once again, going off half cocked and making statements that you can not back up - like your ridiculous claim that the land was lost to crops FOREVER.
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Is this proof enough?
From first link:
The purpose of this document is to increase public awareness of the potential impacts of towers and other human-made structures by highlighting some of the pertinent literature on the subject. The bibliography focuses primarily on collisions with communication towers, lighted buildings, and (to a lesser degree) windows. No effort has been made to cover collisions with power lines or wind turbines,...
http://library.fws.gov/bird_publications/bird...
Notice the date-Revised 1998. Also that there have been NO studies on wind turbines as of that date, according to this article.
From second link:
Communication towers estimates of bird kills are impossible to make because of the lack of data, but totals could easily be over 5 million birds/year, and possibly as many as 50 million. Towers have proliferated in recent years, with an estimated 5000 new towers erected per year during the 1990s, mainly for the cell phone and digital TV industries. Any tall structure will kill birds by collision, and lighted towers attract birds at night. Theoretically cellphone towers are less dangerous than the taller structures, but there is no data either way, and the sheer number of cell phone towers may outweigh any other advantage.
....and there is a real need for more study of the relationship between birds and wind farms.
http://www.sibleyguides.com/conservation/caus...
From third link:
Millions of migratory birds are killed by striking tall buildings, TV and radio towers, lighthouses, and edifices such as the Perry Monument on Lake Erie.
One September night the 555-foot high Washington Monument took a toll of 576 vireos and warblers between 10:30 P.M. and midnight. A newly erected TV tower on the outskirts of Topeka, Kansas killed 1,090 birds of 61 species over a period of several days. A TV tower at Eau Claire, Wisconsin killed an estimated 20,000 vireos and warblers the night of September 19 -20, 1963.
http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll...
For anyone to make the claim that wind turbines kill fewer birds than communication towers is just ridiculous.
First question: Has this issue been studied yet or not? If so, at how many wind farms and for how many seasons?
Second question: If birds are slamming into lighted communication towers and other tall buildings during their nighttime migrations, how in the world are they missing the wind turbines, which are also lighted, the same height in many cases, and take up even more surface area than a cell tower?
Third question: How many wind turbines exist compared to the number of cell towers?
Hey, now here's an idea. How about you ask someone who actually made such a statement, those questions.

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There was absolutely nothing in that article that said one word about what personal protection he may or may not have had on that trip.
Did he purposefully go onto that beach or was a mechanical failure to blame? He got what he deserved because his boat quit? Give me a break.
You talk like he went there on purpose with no protection whatsoever. That is simplely untrue and there is no way to know what personal protection he had or did not have.
How would YOU, all by yourself, protect a cache of food from hungry bears?
The ABC Islands are heavily populated with bears.
Yhey are genetically more closely related to polar bears than to other brown bears.
Polar Bears are man-eaters.
Other bears kill and eat humans too.
He was logging in the Alaska wilderness.
He had to take a 50 mile boat trip down the river just to get groceries.
He's alone in Bear Heaven with GROCERIES.
Boats can have mechanical problems just like cars.
There's a chance he could be stranded in Bear Heaven with GROCERIES.
There was a "struggle" the article claimed.
If your boat fails and you end up on a remote beach in Alaska, you can see if bears are around.(They're kinda big, ya know.)
If bears are nearby, you would have your protection ready- I would think.
The fact that there was a struggle tells me he had none, or didn't have it ready.
If he's unarmed, why would he be holding his GROCERIES trying to defend them from bears?
The whole story seems a little ridiculous to me. I wouldn't put myself in that situation. I don't see you putting yourself in that situation either.

Isn't it about thinning out the gene pool?

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The ABC Islands are heavily populated with bears.
Yhey are genetically more closely related to polar bears than to other brown bears.
Polar Bears are man-eaters.
Other bears kill and eat humans too.
He was logging in the Alaska wilderness.
He had to take a 50 mile boat trip down the river just to get groceries.
He's alone in Bear Heaven with GROCERIES.
Boats can have mechanical problems just like cars.
There's a chance he could be stranded in Bear Heaven with GROCERIES.
There was a "struggle" the article claimed.
If your boat fails and you end up on a remote beach in Alaska, you can see if bears are around.(They're kinda big, ya know.)
If bears are nearby, you would have your protection ready- I would think.
The fact that there was a struggle tells me he had none, or didn't have it ready.
If he's unarmed, why would he be holding his GROCERIES trying to defend them from bears?
The whole story seems a little ridiculous to me. I wouldn't put myself in that situation. I don't see you putting yourself in that situation either.
Isn't it about thinning out the gene pool?
Oh that's nice.
Now, how about answering my question?
How would YOU protect a cache of food, by yourself, from bears?

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A bear goes in human territory and it gets killed. A human goes in bear territory and the bear gets killed. What kind of sick society have we created? Humans need to get the hell out of Alaska if they don't want to be bear food! This guy had no protection from bears? No gun? No bear spray? Get real! He deserved what he got.
http://www.ktvn.com/story/19827618/bear-mauli...
There ya go AGAIN Raptor. Saying things that are only your emotions and lack of full knowledge about the matter talking.

"State officials do not usually kill bears that maul humans in acts of defense, Alaska Department of Fish and Game supervisor Doug Larsen said, but bears that are considered predatory or dangerous are killed. Judgments are made on a case-by-case basis, he said."

Since I have corrected you on the matter several times, I am left to wonder why you continue to be intentionally misleading and incorrect.

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Oh that's nice.
Now, how about answering my question?
How would YOU protect a cache of food, by yourself, from bears?
Oh, but I DID answer your question. AQ.
I wouldn't put myself in that situation.
But since you won't accept that answer, I'll say this; If I was dumb enough to be in that situation, I would NOT protect the groceries. I would be as far away from them as I could be. Or they would be in some kind of bear-proof container.

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Isn't it about thinning out the gene pool?
No. Not to me it isn't.
Maybe to you it is all about getting folks killed whenever YOU deem they deserve to die, but not to me.
To me it is about EDUCATING folks of the dangers of going into the wild and how to protect yourself as best as one can in the wild. And, it is about USING FACTUAL INFORMATION to do so.

YOU prefer to throw around misinformation about the matter, make false blanket statements, and at any and all times, insert your brand of emotion in the mix, and I am shit sick of your crap concerning the real truth about bears and bear/human encounters.

I did not go to extreme lengths to educate myself on the matter only to have an overemotional bear novice like you, strew about falsehoods and nonsense that misleads people and could quite feasibly lead to the deaths of others as a result.
I have seen you write that you would use "enticements" to get closer to them for photos. This was during the discussion about the man killed on the South Fork of the Shoshone last summer.

They have not even finished the investigation and there is currently NO proof that he was unarmed or otherwise unequipped with any self defense items or bear deterrents, but that, none the less, does not stop you from denigrating the man and condemning his memory with facts not in evidence.
This was not Timothy Treadwell and his lunacy in this case, and this man's life deserves at the very least, a modicum of respect until the facts are all in. This man lived there and worked there. Surey he was aware of the dangers and quite possibly simply got caught in a bad situation.

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Oh, but I DID answer your question. AQ.
I wouldn't put myself in that situation.
But since you won't accept that answer, I'll say this; If I was dumb enough to be in that situation, I would NOT protect the groceries. I would be as far away from them as I could be. Or they would be in some kind of bear-proof container.
If you think avoidance of the situation is an acceptable answer to a specific situation question, then I guess that's all you got.
I find it interesting that you bash another, without evidence mind you, for not having some sort of personal protection with them, but when asked how you would do it, you do not even mention having along any type of self protection, and only say RUN AWAY. Never mind about what actions from a bear, knee jerk responses from prey will trigger. They call them "trigger responses" for a reason.

There is NO proof of what happened first or second and they have not even determined yet if it was a defensive attack or a food stuffs attack. Kinda interesting how the bear stashed and buried the body but the groceries were left strewn about the area. Does that fact not make you wonder what the real truth was that day?
It sure makes me curious to learn the real truth before making blanket statements of another's guilt and stupidity, as if all bear attacks are the same and the human authoritative reaction is likewise always the same.

I'll wager that you have NEVER worn bear spray yourself when in bear country, even when the locals that accompanied you wore theirs. I bet you had your camera and binoculars on you though.
No offense. I will take that bet however.

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You can grow just about anything you wish in any soil. All you have to do is find out what the soil lacks for your particular crop and add it to the soil and mix it in. Simple really.
I can show you a spot that has been drenched in used motor oil many times over a period of years and the grass looks just like the grass next to it. Yes, there is grass growing on the used motor oil drenched spot.
The problem is you, once again, going off half cocked and making statements that you can not back up - like your ridiculous claim that the land was lost to crops FOREVER.
<rolls eyes>
I didn't say grass couldn't grow where there was once oil. That's one of the reasons I'm not against oil production. Oil can be cleaned up and it also evaporates.

I'm hardly going off half-cocked. Are you forgetting I have a degree in Landscape Horticulture? I know a little bit about soils and growing plants. But since I am not to be believed here is what the government has to say about it:

Before reintroducing native plants into the restoration site, it is important to ensure that the site conditions are what the plants need to grow and survive. If the site's soil is too compacted, has the wrong moisture levels or there are thriving invasive species, it will be difficult to establish a successful, self-maintaining native plant community. Often in disturbed soils there is a loss of nutrients, soil structure or ability to retain moisture. In these cases soil amendments can be used to repair these damaged soil functions.
http://www.nps.gov/plants/restore/pubs/intron...

Maybe I should have clarified, "they plow under FOREVER millions of acres OF UNDISTURBED PRISTINE NATIVE PLANT COMMUNITIES THAT PROVIDE FOOD, SHELTER AND NESTING GROUNDS FOR WILDLIFE to do it...."

Now suppose they take all the wind turbines down and close the roads going to each structure, do you really think the state, ANY state, or ANY wind company is going to pay for the removal of the wind turbines, the concrete slabs and the restoration of native plants on what was once a huge wind farm? I don't.

I maintain that the land will be destroyed FOREVER once a wind farm is built.

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Hey, now here's an idea. How about you ask someone who actually made such a statement, those questions.
I am aware you didn't make that statement in that post, but you DID ask me to prove my assertion of "tall structures, such as wind turbines" killing tens of millions of birds each year. I think I provided the proof.

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There ya go AGAIN Raptor. Saying things that are only your emotions and lack of full knowledge about the matter talking.
"State officials do not usually kill bears that maul humans in acts of defense, Alaska Department of Fish and Game supervisor Doug Larsen said, but bears that are considered predatory or dangerous are killed. Judgments are made on a case-by-case basis, he said."
Since I have corrected you on the matter several times, I am left to wonder why you continue to be intentionally misleading and incorrect.
Why? Because these stories pi** me off. Bears are predators and they only do what comes naturally.

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