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“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#173412 Oct 6, 2012
IMGKNEE wrote:
President Obama is coming here Monday to designate this man's home as a national monument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Chavez
I hope everyone has heard of Cesar Chavez. I wonder how many people are aware that he was vegan, and a supporter of animal rights. So not only did he fight his entire life for better conditions for farm workers, he also had room to think of the humane treatment of animals as well.
I also wonder how many people are aware of the brutally hard hands on work that for instance grape vineyard workers do to get those grapes to market. Backbreaking work in 100 degree weather, I see them picking grapes by hand to this day. Waving and smiling to me as I walk by them on my breaks. Years ago they had to endure sucking fumes from pesticides and falling down dead from heat and exhaustion. Cesar Chavez historically changed conditions for our farm workers. Just goes to show that a great person can care for people AND animals.
BTW, I never heard of the guy, but thanks for posting this. I believe there are more people than not that care for people AND animals.

“I Love California”

Since: Jul 08

In Cali..of course!

#173413 Oct 6, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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"I see them picking grapes by hand to this day. Waving and smiling to me as I walk by them on my breaks."
If I had a job like that, I'd be waving and smiling too. I love anything and everything outdoors. Every summer I tell myself I'm going to work on a farm picking strawberries or shoveling horse dung or something, but it never seems to happen. I work too many hours at my other job and I can't put myself in a position of having other commitments should work need me for hours or days I am not scheduled to work.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying what the grape vine pickers do isn't hard work and that they don't have days when they are absolutely miserable and suffering in the heat. But heck, there's times I have that where I work too. I'm only saying that just because someone's work is hard, doesn't mean it isn't enjoyable.
No offense Raptor, but I think you and I wouldn't last too long in the grape vineyards. And I consider myself an active outdoors person. However, bending hundreds of time in a day wearing thick gloves, covered from head to toe for protection from the sun to pick grapes in the absolute hottest part of summer here...it makes for a tedious long day.

Because my family migrated from Oklahoma to CA, I am of Okie heritage and very proud of it. They did the same thing...my Dad went right to work as a boy in the fields picking anything and everything. He has some stories about how rough it was when he arrived here.

We have talked about this before, we all need to know where our food comes from, and how it gets to our table. Be appreciative of what goes into it.

“I Love California”

Since: Jul 08

In Cali..of course!

#173414 Oct 6, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
BTW, I never heard of the guy, but thanks for posting this. I believe there are more people than not that care for people AND animals.
I remember when I was a tiny girl, I went to the market and the farm workers were picketing. Really a vivid memory for me for whatever reason, I just remember a handful of picketers approaching my Mom and talked to her. One great big guy, and he was scary to me at the time. My Mom just took me by the hand and left. Now I know what it was all about, and I am glad the memory stays with me.

“I Love California”

Since: Jul 08

In Cali..of course!

#173415 Oct 6, 2012
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
Whatever made you think that to show a caring for more than one species on this planet was an impossibility, no matter how "great" the person may be?
Some of the hunters on here (and this goes way back) would say that animal activists, or animal rights supporters cared more about animals than people....or didn't care about people at all. So I am quick to point out that a man who committed his whole life to better the lives of people that desperately needed help, also had concern anout the welfare of animals as well. It's nice to point out how possible it actually is.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#173416 Oct 7, 2012
IMGKNEE wrote:
<quoted text>
Some of the hunters on here (and this goes way back) would say that animal activists, or animal rights supporters cared more about animals than people....or didn't care about people at all. So I am quick to point out that a man who committed his whole life to better the lives of people that desperately needed help, also had concern anout the welfare of animals as well. It's nice to point out how possible it actually is.
I suppose it is.
There are also folks out there who had this caring for animals and were considered "great" by some folk's standards. People like Hitler for example. The jury is still out on Ingrid Newkirk I guess.
I just found it odd I guess, how you worded it.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#173417 Oct 8, 2012
Medicinebow wrote:
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If it were me i'd buy another lens. Take a look at this.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/351542-...
It probably isn't worth fixing the P&S camera. I know the lens I listed isn't cheap but it's perfect for landscapes.
Would I also need to buy a seperate filter for this?

“I'm a humane bowhunter”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#173418 Oct 8, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Would I also need to buy a seperate filter for this?
It takes a 77mm filter if you don't already have one. This is not a macro lens.

Try an extension tube to use this as a macro lens. It is not a dedicated macro lens.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#173419 Oct 10, 2012
This is amazing. I just wanted to share.
&fe ature=related

“Hey”

Since: Nov 07

laurel md

#173420 Oct 12, 2012
Mamasita wrote:
<quoted text>
Get a grip ! Stealing a seagulls food. You did. Egregious animal cruelty varies from person to person. Some people, like yourself, think killing an animal for amusement and a big rack is awesome. I think it's egregious animal cruelty. I think sport fishing is cruel. I think sport hunting is especially cruel where these hunters go out and kill the trophy animal. Yes, and I'm not the only one.
And I know plenty ! I know all about greedy hunters and fishermen that deplete our forests and waters for sport and nothing else. The damage you all do is immeasurable. Maybe you could sell the rack or dead fish on eBay for a nice profit too, or blood money.
Tell you what. You speak for yourself and I'll speak for myself.

You don't know squat about me yet project that you do.

IF someone wants to kill a rat on your behalf, I'm okay with that.

“Hey”

Since: Nov 07

laurel md

#173421 Oct 12, 2012
Mamasita wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you doctor tell you that you need fish? I doubt it, unless you are a pro-sport athlete or suffering some type of medical disease.
The Dalai Lama needed to increase his protein, because he had hepatitus. He was a vegetarian. I don't criticize someone who tries to make a difference. I'm not all or nothing. What I do find morally repugnant are those, like yourself, that defend trophy hunting and trophy fishing when there is absolutely no reason that the respective being is killed except for a wall mount.
We've had this same conversation over and over.
You can't get it through your head that it's actions that count.
If I kill a fish to eat and someone kills it to put on their wall, what difference did it make to the fish?

IMO it's food. I get to tell the DNR, that if someone is wantonly wasting food I could be eating, that I have an issue with that. There are rules against wanton waste in Maryland when it comes to our natural resources.

You get to tell the DNR that its okay for your buddy Gonzalez to eat fish but not me.

They listen to me. They'd laugh at you.

If your bud Bill Clinton spent his time just thinking about banging Monica Lewinsky instead of doing it the world would see
him in a different light.

Except of course mind readers like yourself.

“Hey”

Since: Nov 07

laurel md

#173422 Oct 12, 2012
peteoo wrote:
<quoted text>
You do have a penchant for stereotyping...
Mamasita wrote:
<quoted text>
Only if the stereotype fits.
How about all your buddies on this forum when they make remarks about Californians, "land of fruit and nuts". What about that?
You seem a little sensitive lately. Are your going through some hormonal changes?
It fits you to a T.

They get to answer for that.

“Hey”

Since: Nov 07

laurel md

#173423 Oct 12, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. In that case it probably is the handy work of just one or two people. But cases like this can be found all over. You think that same individual, or pair of idiots, traveled to other states and did the same thing?
Nope. There is always going to be a portion of the population that does things outside the regulations. Where 'these rules don't apply to me' is embraced.

We call them poachers no matter where they are.

“Hey”

Since: Nov 07

laurel md

#173424 Oct 12, 2012
IMGKNEE wrote:
President Obama is coming here Monday to designate this man's home as a national monument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Chavez
I hope everyone has heard of Cesar Chavez. I wonder how many people are aware that he was vegan, and a supporter of animal rights. So not only did he fight his entire life for better conditions for farm workers, he also had room to think of the humane treatment of animals as well.
I also wonder how many people are aware of the brutally hard hands on work that for instance grape vineyard workers do to get those grapes to market. Backbreaking work in 100 degree weather, I see them picking grapes by hand to this day. Waving and smiling to me as I walk by them on my breaks. Years ago they had to endure sucking fumes from pesticides and falling down dead from heat and exhaustion. Cesar Chavez historically changed conditions for our farm workers. Just goes to show that a great person can care for people AND animals.
Nice post Jeanne :)

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#173425 Oct 12, 2012
They could have at least put a picture of a REAL White-winged Dove with this article. Imagine that, for every bird that flies into your window, you must turn it into the Fish and Wildlife Service. At 100 million+ window hits evry year the F&W would need to hire a whole lot of people! Talk about creating jobs!!

(WOAI) You know the urban legend that if you kill something, you can eat it? Well..not so much.

1200 WOAI news reports a Pflugerville man, Ryan Adams, is facing possible state and federal charges after he cooked and ate a white winged dove that died after flying into the side of his home.

Adams said he reflected on the fact that thousands of Texas hunters spend a lot of money and spend a lot of time in the woods trying to get to the exact position he found himself by accident. So he dressed the dove, cooked it on the grill, and posted photographs, and his recipe, on the Internet.

And that's when he ran into trouble. Steve Lightfoot of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department says you can't keep a game animal that is not obtained 'legally.'

"By legally I mean certain means and methods and seasons," Lightfoot told 1200 WOAI news. "You have to have a hunting license, you have to use the appropriate shotgun and ammunition."

And since the weapon Adams used was the side of his home, Lightfoot said he should have turned the dead dove over to Parks and Wildlife officials instead of eating it.

And, to make things worse, Adams could also face federal charges.

"There are restrictions, both state and federal, since this is a migratory species," he said.

The investigation continues, even though Adams has eaten the evidence. Lightfoot says Adams won't have to eat jail food to atone for his dove dinner, although he says a fine is a possibility.

As for Adams, he says regardless of the outcome, it was a tasty meal.

"I have never had such fresh meat before," he said.

http://www.975wcos.com/cc-common/news/section...

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#173426 Oct 12, 2012
That would be PARKS and Wildlife.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#173427 Oct 13, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
They could have at least put a picture of a REAL White-winged Dove with this article. Imagine that, for every bird that flies into your window, you must turn it into the Fish and Wildlife Service. At 100 million+ window hits evry year the F&W would need to hire a whole lot of people! Talk about creating jobs!!
(WOAI) You know the urban legend that if you kill something, you can eat it? Well..not so much.
1200 WOAI news reports a Pflugerville man, Ryan Adams, is facing possible state and federal charges after he cooked and ate a white winged dove that died after flying into the side of his home.
Adams said he reflected on the fact that thousands of Texas hunters spend a lot of money and spend a lot of time in the woods trying to get to the exact position he found himself by accident. So he dressed the dove, cooked it on the grill, and posted photographs, and his recipe, on the Internet.
And that's when he ran into trouble. Steve Lightfoot of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department says you can't keep a game animal that is not obtained 'legally.'
"By legally I mean certain means and methods and seasons," Lightfoot told 1200 WOAI news. "You have to have a hunting license, you have to use the appropriate shotgun and ammunition."
And since the weapon Adams used was the side of his home, Lightfoot said he should have turned the dead dove over to Parks and Wildlife officials instead of eating it.
And, to make things worse, Adams could also face federal charges.
"There are restrictions, both state and federal, since this is a migratory species," he said.
The investigation continues, even though Adams has eaten the evidence. Lightfoot says Adams won't have to eat jail food to atone for his dove dinner, although he says a fine is a possibility.
As for Adams, he says regardless of the outcome, it was a tasty meal.
"I have never had such fresh meat before," he said.
http://www.975wcos.com/cc-common/news/section...
So, what do you think about that story?
Should he be fined for eating that bird?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#173428 Oct 13, 2012
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
So, what do you think about that story?
Should he be fined for eating that bird?
No, he shouldn't be find. I'd rather see someone get some benefit from the tragic death. What difference does it make if a human eats it, or if another animal eats it?

But..........

I wouldn't want people to get the impression they could "innocently" cause the deaths of other birds by "creating" unnecessary hazards around their home- just for an easy meal- or if they decide they don't want the birds around anymore.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#173429 Oct 13, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
No, he shouldn't be find. I'd rather see someone get some benefit from the tragic death. What difference does it make if a human eats it, or if another animal eats it?
But..........
I wouldn't want people to get the impression they could "innocently" cause the deaths of other birds by "creating" unnecessary hazards around their home- just for an easy meal- or if they decide they don't want the birds around anymore.
You mean I have to take all the windmills out of my crystal clear curtainless windows? That is not happening.
<chuckle>

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#173430 Oct 13, 2012
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean I have to take all the windmills out of my crystal clear curtainless windows? That is not happening.
<chuckle>
Yep. You also have to take down your swimming pool, keep your garage door shut, quit using pesticides, stop driving, keep yoor cat in the house with your wind mills, and cover your curtainless windows with screens.

“Hey”

Since: Nov 07

laurel md

#173431 Oct 15, 2012
IMGKNEE wrote:
<quoted text>
...I wouldn't last too long in the grape vineyards. And I consider myself an active outdoors person. However, bending hundreds of time in a day wearing thick gloves, covered from head to toe for protection from the sun to pick grapes in the absolute hottest part of summer here...it makes for a tedious long day....
I'd bet big bucks you could do just fine.
Wanting to is a different ballgame.
IMGKNEE wrote:
<quoted text>
...It's nice to point out how possible it actually is.
And you of all people that have ever posted on this board have done the most magnificent job of treating all with respect, whether due or not.

Hope you're having some fun today Jeanne :)

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