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Stop Maryland's season of cruelty: fall bow hunting -

There are 113747 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Sep 12, 2007, titled Stop Maryland's season of cruelty: fall bow hunting -. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

Anticipating autumn's bounty of cooler weather, glorious sunshine and majestic foliage also brings sadness to my heart, knowing the suffering about to be inflicted by Maryland's bow hunters on our deer starting ...

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“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#173581 Nov 10, 2012
Medicinebow wrote:
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We're talking about bears. You stated they'd do well in D.C. Explain how bears would do well there.
You can back up your claims can't you?
When did DC come into the converstaion? I said they may be needed in other counties where there is a shortage.

“I'm a humane bowhunter”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#173582 Nov 10, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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When did DC come into the converstaion? I said they may be needed in other counties where there is a shortage.
http://www.topix.com/forum/baltimore/TCH7UNUU...

D.C. came in to the conversation when YOU brought it up.

Hello....anyone home?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#173583 Nov 10, 2012
Medicinebow wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/baltimore/TCH7UNUU...
D.C. came in to the conversation when YOU brought it up.
Hello....anyone home?
Medicinebow wrote:
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Please explain the available food sources for bears in the counties surrounding D.C.
Don't know, but then I've never been to D.C. I have been to the Rockies Mountains though- a number of tmes- and even when food in the mountains is scarce, they always manage to fid it in other places. Bears are adaptable. I'm sure they would do just fine in D.C.

Sorry, maybe I should have said "I'm sure they would do just fine in the counties SURROUNDING D.C." in response because THAT was your question.

I would never support putting bears in any big city because people are mean, ignorant and careless... and bears would get hurt.

“Hey”

Since: Nov 07

laurel md

#173584 Nov 11, 2012
Raptor South of Michigan wrote:
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Is this the Paul you want me to call? Why do you want me to call him?

I wrote
"I don't want you to call Paul.
Your the one that wants MD to consider relocating bears.
Paul's the right guy to talk to."
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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No, I don't.
http://www.topix.com/forum/outdoors/hunting/T...
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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If the bear population is dangerously low in the other Maryland counties, would relocation be a better option to sustain a healthy bear population within the entire state...with a future goal of being able to hunt them in ALL counties?

“Hey”

Since: Nov 07

laurel md

#173585 Nov 11, 2012
Medicinebow wrote:
In honor of Veterans Day tomorrow i'd like to say thanks to all that have served.
You're welcome. I also want to thank those who have served as well as our future veterans :)

“Hey”

Since: Nov 07

laurel md

#173586 Nov 11, 2012
Medicinebow wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/baltimore/TCH7UNUU...
D.C. came in to the conversation when YOU brought it up.
Hello....anyone home?
Nothing new here MB. Raptor is simply replaying the HSUS strategy on shutting down bear hunting in Maryland.

The rationale is to appeal on multiple levels to not do something.

Shut down bear hunting to the extent that you can by banning the use of dogs because it's not "sporting."

That'll get some hunters to not use dogs, and some hunters to not hunt period.

Do the same thing with bait....call that unsporting as well.
That'll get some hunters to not use bait.

Then when you're finished with all of the reasons to shut down hunting because it's 'unsporting' go after sport hunting.

That's some seriously screwed up logic.

Of course HSUS could always tell us what kind of hunting they advocate/support or would allow. The problem in doing so is that it creates problems with the 'logic' they (try to )use elsewhere....

“Hey”

Since: Nov 07

laurel md

#173587 Nov 11, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Sorry, maybe I should have said "I'm sure they would do just fine in the counties SURROUNDING D.C." ....
What's the basis for this level of certainty?
Which counties in Maryland have you been in?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#173588 Nov 11, 2012
peteoo wrote:
Raptor South of Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Is this the Paul you want me to call? Why do you want me to call him?
I wrote
"I don't want you to call Paul.
Your the one that wants MD to consider relocating bears.
Paul's the right guy to talk to."
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/outdoors/hunting/T...
<quoted text>
Read my words carefully, Pete.
".....would relocation be a BETTER option...."
Relocation is only an alternative to death. Not ideal, but better.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#173589 Nov 11, 2012
peteoo wrote:
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You're welcome. I also want to thank those who have served as well as our future veterans :)
Me too. In addition to thanking the veterans, I would also like to thank anyone who contributes anything at all to our society anymore.
The only thing that's a bummer is since it's a holiday, we get no mail today.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#173590 Nov 11, 2012
peteoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing new here MB. Raptor is simply replaying the HSUS strategy on shutting down bear hunting in Maryland.
The rationale is to appeal on multiple levels to not do something.
Shut down bear hunting to the extent that you can by banning the use of dogs because it's not "sporting."
That'll get some hunters to not use dogs, and some hunters to not hunt period.
Do the same thing with bait....call that unsporting as well.
That'll get some hunters to not use bait.
Then when you're finished with all of the reasons to shut down hunting because it's 'unsporting' go after sport hunting.
That's some seriously screwed up logic.
Of course HSUS could always tell us what kind of hunting they advocate/support or would allow. The problem in doing so is that it creates problems with the 'logic' they (try to )use elsewhere....
"Raptor is simply replaying the HSUS strategy on shutting down bear hunting in Maryland."
I have never met anyone who eats bear meat. I've heard that some people have "tried" it before, but it's not served as a main dish in any family I know of. Maybe I'm wrong. So, yes, if people don't eat it, I'm against killing it- unless it's in self-defense. There is also too great a chance that cubs would be left to die if a mother is killed.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#173591 Nov 11, 2012
peteoo wrote:
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What's the basis for this level of certainty?
Which counties in Maryland have you been in?
None.

“Hey”

Since: Nov 07

laurel md

#173592 Nov 11, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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"Raptor is simply replaying the HSUS strategy on shutting down bear hunting in Maryland."
I have never met anyone who eats bear meat. I've heard that some people have "tried" it before, but it's not served as a main dish in any family I know of. Maybe I'm wrong. So, yes, if people don't eat it, I'm against killing it- unless it's in self-defense. There is also too great a chance that cubs would be left to die if a mother is killed.
In Maryland the odds of getting one are pretty high.
You have about a 1 in 6 chance of drawing a tag.
You then have about a 1 in 7.5 chance of getting a bear.

Of the guys I've known who have drawn tags, only one has gotten a bear. He shared it.

I got a burger.
There was a slight difference between that and ground beef.
Most families I know have ground beef on a regular basis.
Do you eat ground beef?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#173593 Nov 11, 2012
peteoo wrote:
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In Maryland the odds of getting one are pretty high.
You have about a 1 in 6 chance of drawing a tag.
You then have about a 1 in 7.5 chance of getting a bear.
Of the guys I've known who have drawn tags, only one has gotten a bear. He shared it.
I got a burger.
There was a slight difference between that and ground beef.
Most families I know have ground beef on a regular basis.
Do you eat ground beef?
Of course I eat ground beef. So you had a bear burger and found little difference. Does that mean you now have a preference for bear meat? How many other people do you know that craves bear for dinner?

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#173594 Nov 12, 2012
I'd like to take a moment to THANK all of those who have served and those currently serving our country. There is no greater contribution than that made by the young men and women who stand between us and our enemies. There is no greater sacrifice than that made by those who fall making that contribution.

THANK YOU! Happy Veterans Day!

“Hey”

Since: Nov 07

laurel md

#173595 Nov 12, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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"Raptor is simply replaying the HSUS strategy on shutting down bear hunting in Maryland."
I have never met anyone who eats bear meat. I've heard that some people have "tried" it before, but it's not served as a main dish in any family I know of. Maybe I'm wrong. So, yes, if people don't eat it, I'm against killing it- unless it's in self-defense. There is also too great a chance that cubs would be left to die if a mother is killed.
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Of course I eat ground beef. So you had a bear burger and found little difference. Does that mean you now have a preference for bear meat? How many other people do you know that craves bear for dinner?
This is another run at flawed logic Raptor.

You seem to be suggesting that if someone doesn't eat it, as a preference, or as a main dish, with any degree of regularity, it's something they shouldn't be eating.

Otherwise... why bring it up?

You could have said, "So, yes, if people DO eat it, I'm okay with killing it BUT there is too great a chance that cubs would be left to die if a mother is killed, so I'm against it."

Or is your beef burger okay and my bear burger not okay, because I don't eat one at a high enough frequency and you do?

“Hey”

Since: Nov 07

laurel md

#173596 Nov 12, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Of course I eat ground beef. So you had a bear burger and found little difference. Does that mean you now have a preference for bear meat? How many other people do you know that craves bear for dinner?
I don't. I'd take a bear or a beef burger.
Can't say I 'crave' either one.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#173597 Nov 12, 2012
peteoo wrote:
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<quoted text>
This is another run at flawed logic Raptor.
You seem to be suggesting that if someone doesn't eat it, as a preference, or as a main dish, with any degree of regularity, it's something they shouldn't be eating.
Otherwise... why bring it up?
You could have said, "So, yes, if people DO eat it, I'm okay with killing it BUT there is too great a chance that cubs would be left to die if a mother is killed, so I'm against it."
Or is your beef burger okay and my bear burger not okay, because I don't eat one at a high enough frequency and you do?
I think I've stated on more than one occasion that the main reason I'm against bear hunting is because of the chances of leaving orphaned cubs.

If people do eat bear meat, then no I'm not against them being hunted for it- provided it is done with no "collateral damage" AND it's done in a humane way. That is my hope for ANY hunted species.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#173598 Nov 14, 2012
It doesn't look like a bobcat to me. How cool is this? More mountain lions making appearances in MI? It looks just like what I saw walking along the edge of the woods along the highway one night as I was heading up north.
http://www.mlive.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2012/...

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#173600 Nov 15, 2012
peteoo wrote:
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<quoted text>
This is another run at flawed logic Raptor.
You seem to be suggesting that if someone doesn't eat it, as a preference, or as a main dish, with any degree of regularity, it's something they shouldn't be eating.
Otherwise... why bring it up?
You could have said, "So, yes, if people DO eat it, I'm okay with killing it BUT there is too great a chance that cubs would be left to die if a mother is killed, so I'm against it."
Or is your beef burger okay and my bear burger not okay, because I don't eat one at a high enough frequency and you do?
Good points.
Good questions.
Good luck.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#173601 Nov 15, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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I think I've stated on more than one occasion that the main reason I'm against bear hunting is because of the chances of leaving orphaned cubs.
If people do eat bear meat, then no I'm not against them being hunted for it- provided it is done with no "collateral damage" AND it's done in a humane way. That is my hope for ANY hunted species.
"I think I've stated on more than one occasion that the main reason I'm against bear hunting is because of the chances of leaving orphaned cubs."

Yes you have.
The problem with that is, the same can be said about any and every other prey animal out there, so your "logic" plane does not fly. You have also been informed multiple times by myself and others that the regulations do NOT allow any females taken with cubs at side.

There is "collateral damage" with EVERY death on this planet. Get over it.

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