An ugly attack on Mormons

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Did you catch the political ad in which two Jews ring the doorbell of a nice working-class family? They barge in and rifle through the wife's purse and then the man's wallet for cash.
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MattJ

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Dec 14, 2008
 
rumor1 wrote:
<quoted text>Marriage is not a civil right.
Sure, it is. See, for example, Loving v. Virginia. But the marriage defended as a civil right there is marriage between a man and a woman.
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If the gay community is patient enough the Mormon leadership will eventually have a "moment of clarity" from the 12 and change their position to one of tolerance. When I was associated with the LDS (late 60's) blacks were said to have been at the right hand of Satan in the heavenly war and were "charred" so they were unworthy of holding the priesthood. Not so today from what I'm told. Not sure what changed but society had a lot to do with it and money sure played a part. Hit them in the wallet and see their tune change. Religion and the dollar go hand in hand. Use this to your advantage, gay community. Maybe if you asked for two or more partners they'd like it better, given their penchant for multiple wives (and little girls). Big Love, over and outta here.
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<quoted text> We are everywhere from Maine to Mongolia so get used to it!

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<quoted text> I was born and raised in California. I moved here recently for a job opportunity. I know more about Californian than I do Utah. All my family lives in California. I have lived in Novato, Bakersfield, Huntington Beach, Irvine and briefly Oceanside. I and my fellow Mormons and their allies didn't dictate anything in the Prop 8 vote. We just managed to persuade a few more people with our argument then you did. Stop saying the Mormons forced anyone to vote any specific way. You guys did your best (with plenty of donations to your cause even Brad Pitt donated) we did our best and our side got the most votes. Thats how America works.
Liar. America does not work that way. America is not built for voting on the rights of the minority. Did you ever vote on black, women, latino, or asian rights in America? Did you? Come on, don't be a religiously delusional moron.

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Since: Jul 08

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Dec 14, 2008
 
rumor1 wrote:
<quoted text>Marriage is not a civil right.
In marriage, does one receive priority in decision making when one is in the hospital? Civil right.

In marriage, can one file married on one's taxes and receive tax benefits instead of filing single? Civil right.

In marriage, does one have the right to plead the fifth to protect their partner in a court of law against legal prosecution because of their spousal status and rights? Civil right.

In marriage, can one assign their partner on their state run or employer endorsed pension plans if anything should happen to them? Civil right.

In marriage, can one obtain their partner's social security benefits of their partner if they pass away? Civil right.

In marriage, can one obtain the American flag off the casket of their partner, that has served honorably during war time and times of peace, after they have passed away? Civil right.

You see, I think you tend to forget the government supported, civil rights you receive once you get married. Perhaps our next vote is to level the playing field and take all those rights away that are placed with marriage, since you think that marriage is only supposed to be religious institution.

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Since: Jul 08

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Dec 14, 2008
 
MattJ wrote:
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Not so. Look up the word 'martyr'. Most good dictionary will include something like dictionary.com 's:
a person who is put to death or endures great suffering on behalf of any belief, principle, or cause: a martyr to the cause of social justice.
THAT you gay activists have turned them into.
Oh, get real! We have not cause them death or any sort of "great suffering", we just gave them the same level of hypocrisy that they sent us. No one got hurt, lost sleep, or got any suffering.

Show me where they are suffering in anything right now? Come on, they are just taking a little heat. No one has hurt them or caused any suffering to them. If anything, the Mormons have done a wonderful job of making martyrs out of us gay people. Our livlihoods was the ones that was placed in extreme upheaval. They are still living, worshipping, and enjoying a special tax exempt status with not a worry in the world. They are still trying to convert the delusional to their cult. No suffering, no one dying, they still live their live vicariously in their special little temples that my tax money has paid for.

You see, they could have easily stayed out of this issue, but they simply could not. The damage has been done and we will continue to interject ourselves into Utah politics and protest their precious temples. If they do not like that, then tough. Their lives have not change one iota off of this, but our lives have and it is so easy to try to change one's livlihood when there is no colaterial damage on one's own part.

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Dec 14, 2008
 
HRC wrote:
If the gay community is patient enough the Mormon leadership will eventually have a "moment of clarity" from the 12 and change their position to one of tolerance. When I was associated with the LDS (late 60's) blacks were said to have been at the right hand of Satan in the heavenly war and were "charred" so they were unworthy of holding the priesthood. Not so today from what I'm told. Not sure what changed but society had a lot to do with it and money sure played a part. Hit them in the wallet and see their tune change. Religion and the dollar go hand in hand. Use this to your advantage, gay community. Maybe if you asked for two or more partners they'd like it better, given their penchant for multiple wives (and little girls). Big Love, over and outta here.
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Patience is understandable and I will agree to a certain degree. However, like any religion or cult, positions may not change as easily because deep seated hate takes priority over what the good book states. They will fall back on their book for guidance and when that does not work, they will use the "ick factor" as a way to condone their stupidity on an issue.

I am sure that the Mormons may change their mind. The church leadership in Salt Lake City has already lightened up a little and stated that gays should be given the right to civil unions, but during their assault of gay marriage, they neglected to bring this up, quite conveniently, may I add.

Civil unions are only effective if it has all the federal and state rights of marriage. They don't. Look at both New Jersey and Vermont. Civil unions are pretty much ineffective in both states and they have already stated that they will have to consider upgrading the unions to marriage. The reason? Because separate, but equal never works in the real world, much less the world of unicorns, My Little Pony, or rainbows and chocolate.

Connecticut, most recently, had a civil unions bill on the books, but the state of Connecticut still saw this as patently ineffective and had to upgrade this. See, the litmus test on civil unions and domestic partnerships are being done in a few states and lawmakers are seeing that certain rights that these unions are supposed to be given out, are not done so as marriage is.

Anyway, though, you are correct. Patience does win out, but I think gays have been patient enough. How many more years must I endure and deal with 2nd class citizenship and deal with being treated like shit?
MattJ

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Dec 14, 2008
 
StevenFL wrote:
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Oh, get real! We have not cause them death or any sort of "great suffering", we just gave them the same level of hypocrisy that they sent us.
No, that is YOUR biased interpretation of what you did to them. THEY will call it "great suffering".

That is why you have blown it, you have given them just what they need to paint themselves as the martyrs.
HRC

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Dec 14, 2008
 
Are you talking about America's black population? Just curious.
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No, that is YOUR biased interpretation of what you did to them. THEY will call it "great suffering".
That is why you have blown it, you have given them just what they need to paint themselves as the martyrs.

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#924
Dec 14, 2008
 
neutral one posted this in another thread. "Wow, be careful what you wish for, Lady. You do NOT want the LDS church as a political organization. This little stunt with Proposition 8 is merely a FRACTION of what this church can do. Making us a "political organization" will just allow us to take a much bigger role in the next "gay marriage" election. You really want that? "

wow! neutral one just pointed out the danger I have been constantly ranting about!
If prop 8 is allowed to stand it will encourage this wacky theocracy to have another foot in the door in their dream to takeover the USA!

Remember folks! neutral one's threat is real !
Just say no to theodemocracy (demon theocracy )
MattJ

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wow! neutral one just pointed out the danger I have been constantly ranting about!
And you should learn from this. neutral one made the point BETTER than you because he does NOT rant like you do.

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Dec 14, 2008
 
Disgusted wrote:
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Thanks for the apology, as phony as it was. Did you see me stereotype or even make a statement about the white heterosexual community- of which I am a member? You assume a lot. Being white and heterosexual does not stop me from being objective about others. Apparently that is a problem for you. It has nothing to do with PC. It has to do with people who read a newspaper article about one individual or group and make sweeping indictments with little or no evidence.
Come on! I always apologize to people who zero in on certain things and insist others speak with absolute, granular precision. There was nothing phony about it. There's several people I work with that make everyone walk on egg shells because nobody knows when they will erupt in outrage over something that tweaked them the wrong way. Rather than knock them out and go to jail, we always accomodate them with an earnest apology and they wander away thinking they showed everybody who's boss, when in fact, they've simply left the room to the joy of everyone else.

If you don't know that white, male, heterosexual Christians and their families can be stereotyped in the media and by homosexual activist groups without fear of substantive repercussions, you're asleep at the switch. I did not indicate that you specifically stereotyped white, male heterosexuals and their families, but your response indicated a creepy kind of malignant narcissism reflecting the notion that everything that happens in your vicinity is centered on you.

When a pattern of behavior emerges across a large group of people who act in a common manner towards a common objective, one can conclude that certain sweeping indictments and generalizations are more true than false. It is what it is.

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Dec 14, 2008
 
StevenFL wrote:
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According to your profile, you live in Utah. You are a Mormon idiot and you need to shut the hell up right now. You know nothing about California. All you know about California is the happy cow commercials and that some citrus grows there. How about you dunk your head in the great salt lake and not come up for air? You have no right or say to dictate California politics as long as you live in Utah.
Like you, Mormons have a first amendment right to express themselves. Mormons can speak up anything they want, just like you. What does California have to do with Utah? How about legal precedent being introduced into their courts from California - it appears the person you attacked might know a great deal more than you do about the repercussions of what happens in California affecting other states.

SEE EVERYONE, THIS IS A PERFECT ILLUSTRATION OF THE HOMOSEXUAL FASCIST AT WORK.

What, specifically, does that gentleman have to know about California that would make homosexual marriage more acceptable to him? Maybe homosexual marriage is repugnant to some people regardless of whether they live and where the marriages are taking place.

Telling someone to shut up because they are a Mormon idiot and know nothing about California is as devoid of meaning and substance as Moe Green telling Michael Corleone that "Nobody comes into my town and insults me, I'm Moe Green". WTF, he's not from California? So what, he's entitled to share his opinion on this thread like everyone else.

Damn, you're an infant - and a fascist infant at that. Don't worry, I won't tell you to shut up, I want you to keep running your yap to show everyone what a joke you and your beliefs are.

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Dec 14, 2008
 
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
neutral one posted this in another thread. "Wow, be careful what you wish for, Lady. You do NOT want the LDS church as a political organization. This little stunt with Proposition 8 is merely a FRACTION of what this church can do. Making us a "political organization" will just allow us to take a much bigger role in the next "gay marriage" election. You really want that? "
wow! neutral one just pointed out the danger I have been constantly ranting about!
If prop 8 is allowed to stand it will encourage this wacky theocracy to have another foot in the door in their dream to takeover the USA!
Remember folks! neutral one's threat is real !
Just say no to theodemocracy (demon theocracy )
Actually, if Proposition 8 is allowed to stand, it will be a glowing tribute to the will of the voters. Overturning Proposition 8 squashes the will of the voters. It would be like a court telling Obama that McCain will be president despite the fact that Obama won the election.

Come on you guys, can't y'all do better than this?

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Dec 14, 2008
 
YukYukYuk wrote:
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I don't think people's civil rights should be left for voters to decide. Were African Americans civil rights decided in the voting booths?
Actually the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was voted on and, thanks to a majority of votes by Congress - it passed.

Homosexual marriage and black civil rights are not in the same ball park. There's no moral equivalence. We vote on things dealing with behavior all the time. Homosexual marriage ws put to a vote and lost - it isn't a civil right.
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Motorhead Fan wrote:
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Please keep in mind that most black people are social conservatives, not flaming, anything goes liberals.
What is a social conservative?
The black marriage rate is low.
The Baptist divorce rate is the highest of all religions.
Incidently, atheists and agnostics have the lowest divorce rates.
Black conservative leaders have been begging black men to take responsibility for their children.
Black single mothers are extremely common.
In what way are they conservative, besides being anti-gay?
Look up black church attendance. Surprisingly low.
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Motorhead Fan wrote:
<quoted text>Actually the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was voted on and, thanks to a majority of votes by Congress - it passed.
Homosexual marriage and black civil rights are not in the same ball park. There's no moral equivalence. We vote on things dealing with behavior all the time. Homosexual marriage ws put to a vote and lost - it isn't a civil right.
Civil Right Act of 1964 was voted on by Congress, not the general population. My encyclopedia shows the National Guard escorting black kids to school.
Do you think it would have been passed in the voting booths of America?

I believe the Supreme Court, with the Constitution as a guide, should decide on gay marriage. They've been pretty fair so far.
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Dec 14, 2008
 
Wally wrote:
Make these ugly Mormons go away! Send them back to Utah!
UGLY? That's funny. All the mormon's I've seen were just the opposite. Sweet, kind, and (forgive me) very hot. They seem to have an inordinate amount of males that are overly blessed in the looks category.

“This too shall pass”

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Dec 14, 2008
 
I am not an LDS member, nor likely to ever become one. I don't like the position of their women, and I don't agree with their theology at all. But as neighbors, coworkers, friends, they are great. Overall they are hardworking, honest, helpful, polite, and nice to look at. Their stance on homosexual marriage is consistent with MOST Christians interpretation of the Bible. Again, I think the problem would be over if homosexuals would just push for some other relationship status with similar rights attached. It is the word "marriage" that makes it hard for many to swallow.
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#934
Dec 14, 2008
 
This deep and shared hatred has only one solution.

All of you thumpers and poofs need to meet on a vast prairie somewhere and have a "Braveheart" battle to the death.

Anyone left standing can then go find a cliff and jump off - either that or please, just S T F U.
HRC

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Dec 14, 2008
 
God apparently gave them a choice...looks or brains. You already know which one they picked.
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UGLY? That's funny. All the mormon's I've seen were just the opposite. Sweet, kind, and (forgive me) very hot. They seem to have an inordinate amount of males that are overly blessed in the looks category.

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