Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 311329 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#317329 Dec 1, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Again, she said it was a 'potential' somebody and it isn't. You can't be a 'potential' somebody. If you exist, then you are what you are and we know the fetus does exist.
We know it's not guaranteed gestation, too. The body could, and frequently does, expel a given z/e/f at ANY time, without the woman's consent, and regardless of whether she considers it a 'person' or not. Therefore, until birth, a fetus is potentially a person. Before that, it's a proposition... a hope... a conglomeration of human cells that 'looks like a baby' after a long enough period of time has passed.

Babies, however, are born.

That's the breaks, babe.
Ink

Havertown, PA

#317330 Dec 1, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Because Christians are howling that the Muslims shouldn't get this exemption on religious grounds...whilst clamoring for their own religious exemption.
The point of my post was, that NO religious exemptions are reasonable. Why should I have to follow a given law, to which the religious get a pass, on the grounds that I don't belong to any given 'religion', or even believe in a 'god'?
Reading for comprehension just really isn't your strong suit, is it?
What I do comprehend is that atheists are constantly suing to be rid of one or another religious tradition that offends them and often winning in court. Religion is not forced on anyone but those of a religious nature shouldn't be forced to abide by laws that offend them.

What law do you object to from an atheist point of view?

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#317331 Dec 1, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Such a buffoon and a boor.
Oh, my friend...Don't be so hard on yourself!
Ink

Havertown, PA

#317332 Dec 1, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>We know it's not guaranteed gestation, too. The body could, and frequently does, expel a given z/e/f at ANY time, without the woman's consent, and regardless of whether she considers it a 'person' or not. Therefore, until birth, a fetus is potentially a person. Before that, it's a proposition... a hope... a conglomeration of human cells that 'looks like a baby' after a long enough period of time has passed.
Babies, however, are born.
That's the breaks, babe.
That conglomeration of cells that looks like a baby is a human fetus, a boy or a girl, a son or a daughter. The government says you can kill him for any reason you want. End of story. Did you have a nice Thanksgiving?
Ink

Havertown, PA

#317333 Dec 1, 2013
worships reality wrote:
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imagine a resentful-of-the-world shut-in with likely no surviving relatives other than a nonagenarian mother, and delusions of being a nurse and you've pretty much nailed it
Really. Who thinks like that and posts it.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#317334 Dec 1, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Very quickly, tort reform, urban clinics staffed by interns or volunteers, buying insurance across state lines, just to name a few.
1) Tort reform will inevitably result in those who sustain catastrophic injuries as a result of doctors' malfeasance, ineligible for any compensation. Doctors want to play "God" until they make a mistake, and THEN they want to be considered mortal.
Too bad for them. If they screw up, they need to pay for it - remember that 'PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY' you and your ilk are always yammering about? Why should doctors get a pass?

2) Urban clinics staffed by interns or volunteers??? We already have those: they're called "Planned Parenthood Centers", and you want to shut them down en masse. Naturally, you'd much rather advocate your precious "Crisis Pregnancy Centers", which are indoctrination programs run by the SCPL, and which routinely apply bogus scare-tactics, religious pronouncements, and guilt/shame as 'medicine', in an effort to influence women to have children they don't want, cannot afford, and didn't plan to keep.

3) Buying insurance across State lines is illegal in most (not all) States, because of STATE, rather than Federal, regulations. The insurance companies in many States aren't prohibited from competing with those in other States, they just don't want to HAVE to. The States with regulations against cross-state insurance sales, were the targets of insurance lobbyists, who insisted that it would be UNFAIR COMPETITION. Every one of the States which prohibit it, does so because their insurance commissioner wants it that way.

Just so you know.
katie

Tacoma, WA

#317336 Dec 1, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
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1) Tort reform will inevitably result in those who sustain catastrophic injuries as a result of doctors' malfeasance, ineligible for any compensation. Doctors want to play "God" until they make a mistake, and THEN they want to be considered mortal.
Too bad for them. If they screw up, they need to pay for it - remember that 'PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY' you and your ilk are always yammering about? Why should doctors get a pass?
2) Urban clinics staffed by interns or volunteers??? We already have those: they're called "Planned Parenthood Centers", and you want to shut them down en masse. Naturally, you'd much rather advocate your precious "Crisis Pregnancy Centers", which are indoctrination programs run by the SCPL, and which routinely apply bogus scare-tactics, religious pronouncements, and guilt/shame as 'medicine', in an effort to influence women to have children they don't want, cannot afford, and didn't plan to keep.
3) Buying insurance across State lines is illegal in most (not all) States, because of STATE, rather than Federal, regulations. The insurance companies in many States aren't prohibited from competing with those in other States, they just don't want to HAVE to. The States with regulations against cross-state insurance sales, were the targets of insurance lobbyists, who insisted that it would be UNFAIR COMPETITION. Every one of the States which prohibit it, does so because their insurance commissioner wants it that way.
Just so you know.
It isn't just doctors. It's those corporations -- the ones that want to be people, too, unless they screw up. Then they want to be untouchable.

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#317337 Dec 1, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Because Christians are howling that the Muslims shouldn't get this exemption on religious grounds...whilst clamoring for their own religious exemption.
The point of my post was, that NO religious exemptions are reasonable. Why should I have to follow a given law, to which the religious get a pass, on the grounds that I don't belong to any given 'religion', or even believe in a 'god'?
Reading for comprehension just really isn't your strong suit, is it?
The completely undeserved feeling of
entitlement that religionists have for special treatment is disgusting. It makes no sense. Any members of a religion who believe they deserve exemptions have no sense of decency or integrity.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#317338 Dec 1, 2013
Ink wrote:
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www.thefreedictionary.com/potential&#8206 ;
po·ten·tial (p -t n sh l). adj. 1. Capable of being but not yet in existence; latent: a potential problem. 2. Having possibility, capability, or power.
Potential means that it doesn't exist yet. Do you believe that the fetus doesn't exist before birth? That's wierd because everyone knows that there is a baby in there. Even little children know.
Of course the fetus exists. It's not, in her opinion, a "somebody else". Can't you read?

A fetus is not aware it even exists. It is not a person, not a "somebody else". It's a blank slate, a potential person, if it survives birth, attains consciousness, and begins to accrue experiences.

"Baby" is a term of endearment for just about everything under the sun. I call my youngest daughter Baby, but she's nearly 20.

Children also "know" that feces is "poo-poo" and urine is "pee-pee". Do you use those words, and insist that other adults use them? Do you, as an adult, talk like a child?

Many children believe in Santa Claus. They "know" he exists. Does he really?

Do you ever give any thought to what you spout?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#317339 Dec 1, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Again, she said it was a 'potential' somebody and it isn't. You can't be a 'potential' somebody. If you exist, then you are what you are and we know the fetus does exist.
YOU are the one who keeps missing the point, Witless.
Ink

Havertown, PA

#317340 Dec 1, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
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1) Tort reform will inevitably result in those who sustain catastrophic injuries as a result of doctors' malfeasance, ineligible for any compensation. Doctors want to play "God" until they make a mistake, and THEN they want to be considered mortal.
Too bad for them. If they screw up, they need to pay for it - remember that 'PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY' you and your ilk are always yammering about? Why should doctors get a pass?
2) Urban clinics staffed by interns or volunteers??? We already have those: they're called "Planned Parenthood Centers", and you want to shut them down en masse. Naturally, you'd much rather advocate your precious "Crisis Pregnancy Centers", which are indoctrination programs run by the SCPL, and which routinely apply bogus scare-tactics, religious pronouncements, and guilt/shame as 'medicine', in an effort to influence women to have children they don't want, cannot afford, and didn't plan to keep.
3) Buying insurance across State lines is illegal in most (not all) States, because of STATE, rather than Federal, regulations. The insurance companies in many States aren't prohibited from competing with those in other States, they just don't want to HAVE to. The States with regulations against cross-state insurance sales, were the targets of insurance lobbyists, who insisted that it would be UNFAIR COMPETITION. Every one of the States which prohibit it, does so because their insurance commissioner wants it that way.
Just so you know.
It all needs to change. Just so you know.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#317341 Dec 1, 2013
Ink wrote:
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I don't think that your secular religion should be forced on other's religious beliefs. We will see what the Supreme Court says.
There is no such thing as a "secular religion", you Moron. And the MAP is not a religious doctrine, it's medication.

It's way past time to give that one remaining brain cell of yours some oxygen.....breathe in......and now breathe out.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#317342 Dec 1, 2013
Ink wrote:
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What I do comprehend is that atheists are constantly suing to be rid of one or another religious tradition that offends them and often winning in court.
Such as?
Ink wrote:
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Religion is not forced on anyone
Not for lack of trying on the part of religious zealots...it's obvious you'd like your views to be universally recognized, and adhered to. If you COULD force your religion on others, you'd be more than happy to do so.
Ink wrote:
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those of a religious nature shouldn't be forced to abide by laws that offend them.
Laws offend folks on non-religious grounds all the time, but nevertheless, the law applies to everyone.

Those who feel persecuted by their inability to persecute others, are in for a rude awakening. Your right to 'practice your religion' does not extend to discrimination against others in the workplace. Your religious right to be 'against abortion and contraception' does not extend to preventing others from accessing them. Practice your religion on yourself.
Ink wrote:
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What law do you object to from an atheist point of view?
Any law YOU don't have to follow because of your belief in a 'God'.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#317343 Dec 1, 2013
Ink wrote:
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It all needs to change. Just so you know.
In what ways?

Please be specific, and do indicate the reasons for 'all' the necessary changes.

And.....GO!!

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#317344 Dec 1, 2013
Ink wrote:
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That conglomeration of cells that looks like a baby is a human fetus, a boy or a girl, a son or a daughter. The government says you can kill him for any reason you want. End of story. Did you have a nice Thanksgiving?
A fetus isn't a boy or a girl or a son or a daughter, unless the woman wants to regard it as such. Your opinion is irrelevant to any pregnancy but yours. Thank God, women have the right to make their personal medical decisions in private. You and your prying uterus-snuffling ilk don't get to control or even know what any woman, even your own daughters, do about their pregnancies. You claim repeatedly that this doesn't bother you, but it's quite obvious that it really, really does. On top of that, you , personally, never do anything to help your "cause." Don't lie, God is watching. You have a lovely evening, skila.

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#317345 Dec 1, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Such as?
<quoted text>Not for lack of trying on the part of religious zealots...it's obvious you'd like your views to be universally recognized, and adhered to. If you COULD force your religion on others, you'd be more than happy to do so.
<quoted text>Laws offend folks on non-religious grounds all the time, but nevertheless, the law applies to everyone.
Those who feel persecuted by their inability to persecute others, are in for a rude awakening. Your right to 'practice your religion' does not extend to discrimination against others in the workplace. Your religious right to be 'against abortion and contraception' does not extend to preventing others from accessing them. Practice your religion on yourself.
<quoted text>Any law YOU don't have to follow because of your belief in a 'God'.
Exactly, playa. It kills these zealots that their "god given" position in life is finally crumbling, for good.
Ink

Havertown, PA

#317346 Dec 1, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Such as?
<quoted text>Not for lack of trying on the part of religious zealots...it's obvious you'd like your views to be universally recognized, and adhered to. If you COULD force your religion on others, you'd be more than happy to do so.
<quoted text>Laws offend folks on non-religious grounds all the time, but nevertheless, the law applies to everyone.
Those who feel persecuted by their inability to persecute others, are in for a rude awakening. Your right to 'practice your religion' does not extend to discrimination against others in the workplace. Your religious right to be 'against abortion and contraception' does not extend to preventing others from accessing them. Practice your religion on yourself.
<quoted text>Any law YOU don't have to follow because of your belief in a 'God'.
To take your points one at a time . This is the first.

There are hundreds of suits.

(RNS) Nonbelievers are challenging the Internal Revenue Service’s special exemptions for religious organizations in a federal court in Kentucky, saying churches and other religious groups should have the same financial rules as other nonprofit groups



Atheists are threatening to sue over a planned Princeton, N.J., memorial to mark the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on American soil because a metal beam that’s part of the display has a small cutout of a Christian cross


An atheist group and the Rankin County School District have settled a lawsuit over allegations that high school students were forced to attend religion-tinged on-campus programs
Ink

Havertown, PA

#317347 Dec 1, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>In what ways?
Please be specific, and do indicate the reasons for 'all' the necessary changes.
And.....GO!!
First, do you think all medical malpractice and workers compensation suits are legit? They aren't many are a scam.
Ink

Havertown, PA

#317348 Dec 1, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly, playa. It kills these zealots that their "god given" position in life is finally crumbling, for good.
What is crumbling? Are you serious?

Since: Jun 08

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#317349 Dec 1, 2013
Ink wrote:
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It all needs to change. Just so you know.
There's another issue that you have absolutely no ability to control. Just so you know. Pontificate away, to know avail, hazi mou.

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