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sassy JM

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Rose, I asked you a simple question. Have you read my posts?
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Sassy
She did not ..as far as we KNIW,try to abort ..no coat hangar changeable knife was used ..AS FAR AS WE KNOW SO FAR..the ME can determine that .
She had a baby alone..did not call fir help and then tried to th r ow it away ..it's awful ...
Maybe she mentally mentally ill or on drugs...had no idea it was labor..WE DON'T KNOW..what we do know,FROM YOUR ARTICLE the baby did NOT take a breath
Now in this case here in Fla are so many things wrong ..
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/06/florida.abor...
That baby was thrown in th e garbage alive...
And I remember this case being debated here in fact ..
But IMO this is a poor example of the point you are trying to make with this case And is foolish
Most women call fir help...most women would not put the baby in a bag .
That is probably why they want to determine competency ...before deciding what to d o with her ..
My post was directed at the proaborts here and for a reason(to point out the abortion movement's hypocriscy). It is not a "poor example".

Why you are arguing with me is puzzling me.
This was a dead fetus Rose....which our society claims is not a valued, unique life..hence my purpose for bringing it up.

The story you linked was a LIVE BABIES BIRTH who was thrown in garbage.

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sassy JM wrote:
My original post was geared at proaborts for a reason. I think what this woman did was wrong FTR. She disrespected her deceased babys body.
You replied to the post with comments about this woman being a mental case or possibly using drugs *because* she didn't call for help.! You judged this woman's actions but find prolifers so called "judging" people on here who ADVOCATE, SUPPORT abortion as chojce..on a daily basis. Some of whom aborted previosly and still support it as choice(you buy into the cry of regret but I don't because its bullsh*t).
Then you give this whole post about finding a middle with these people. You mentioned us all being wives or husbands while loving our children as a common ground. Guess what Rose? These people who you choose to spend your every waking hour chit chagting with,, are fihting for a "right" to kill your child. So you are not on common grounds.
You are suppose to be here speaking truth...not sugar coating killing innocent humans in the womb<quoted text>
Sassy what you still don't see nor HELP with are the many debates,I DO HAVE with all of them on subjects concerning ABORTION..very grateful in fact.

But I do not Need to HATE THEM because I disagree on this MIST important subject .

If you need to have at it ..there ars Times when I am the ONLY PRO LIFE VOICE ON HERE. Such as a few days ago about the 20 week legislation..where we're YOU and the others..

yet you and your buddies,come after ME. fir Nit being hateful in debate and not tormenting a woman who aborted THIRTY YEARS ago.

I take her at her word...to me..And others. She regrets her choice.

This is a forum for debate ..But we do not have to be mean it hateful .

If our politicians so u of stop setting hateful examples..Maybe there WOULD BE RARITY with abortion..

I choose to pray for that.

And if I choose to have other conversation if a friendly nature..with people who who are people in this country just as I am

Why on earth do any of you care .

I AM NOT FOR ABORTION.
Given a vote I would vote against it ..if someone wants to HATE me for that ..they won't talk. to me.

If nit I am not going to be hateful to them

So far the Only hateful stuff to me personally is NOT coming from the PC side.

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sassy JM wrote:
<quoted text> I am well aware of the difference between a stillbirth and an abortion. Kthanks.
You might want to explain the difference to some of your fellow proabort friends here (specifically katie and foo) who dont think that there "is" a difference.
@@ I know..right?!?!
Now, by all means, explain WHY she needs counseling but post abortive women and abortionist dont. In other words what makez you think that she personally is grieving a baby that she threw in the garbage.
Oh, I think I'll leave the finger wagging to you. But it's not important why *I* think she should get counseling. I'm not the judge appointed to her case.

The article was woefully short of the sort of details you'd need to make the comparison you're attempting. Maybe she was playing it close to the vest about her pregnancy, because she had lost one before. You don't know what sort of mental state she was in when she lost this one...you just have a bee in your bonnet to compare what YOU THINK her feelings were, with those of women who abort - about whose feelings you ALSO know nothing.

What I will explain, however, is that grief is not a one-size-fits-all emotion. Not everyone deals with it in healthy ways. Throwing one's stillborn into the trash doesn't seem like the act of a mentally healthy individual, to me...maybe the judge feels the same. You might ask him.

Aren't you all gung-ho for women who abort, to mourn and grieve their 'babies'? Wouldn't you support them getting grief counseling?

Oh, wait....who the hell am I talking to?
You're the biggest hypocrite on the thread.

Never mind.

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Don't try to define anyone else's mindset; you aren't smart enough.

It was born dead; it's not that hard to understand. You have no idea if the woman is pro-choice or not; we know she chose to keep the pregnancy to term. And YES, a woman who gives birth usually expects to have a live baby as the result, which can be very traumatic when it doesn't happen.

I never said she NEEDED therapy. I don't make that determination; a therapist would. The judge had more of the facts in front of him than we did, and ordered an evaluation (a judge is not qualified to demand a course of treatment outside of addiction.)

How people dispose of a corpse has varied for centuries, and everyone sees it differently. In this case, I can see an act of extreme grief and denial; it's not the first time a distraught person has tied to make a disappointment go away. It has nothing to do with abortion, except in your tiny, obsessive brain.
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<quoted text> Uh...in the mind of a proabort..this was not a "born baby". It was a stillborn fetus. WHY would she find this traumatic. Are you NOW claiming that a dead fetus is the same as losing a live baby at one minute old??
Hmmmm...
Oh and did you not agree with him that she would need therapy?. Yes you did. Now please explain why.
Kthanks.
The woman threw her fetus in the trash. A FULL term *fetus*. That's most definately a disrespect for human life which is a reflection on the society she lives in where killing and dumping your fetus in the trash is acceptable and legal.
(Take note of my use of the stage of life of this child)

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<quoted text> My post was directed at the proaborts here and for a reason(to point out the abortion movement's hypocriscy). It is not a "poor example".
Why you are arguing with me is puzzling me.
This was a dead fetus Rose....which our society claims is not a valued, unique life..hence my purpose for bringing it up.
The story you linked was a LIVE BABIES BIRTH who was thrown in garbage.
And is a better example of your point that babies babies are not VALUED Sassy ..the clinic owner just swooped in and dumped that baby ..whom it was proved had taken a breath .

Just pointing out that your story. Sad as it is ..to me shows something is wrong with the mom .

I'm arguing because I n your answer on this ..You keep bringing up that I seemingly approve of abortion because I can speak in a friendly manner to PC posters.

You were not here for the latest debate when I kept posting pics if 22. 23 week. Preemie. Equation g those little children with the 23 week in womb babies who supposedly are nit aware they are being killed.

You were nit here. Fine..But m y friendship with a single soul on this board has NITHING to do with how I feel about abortion.

And IMO y our story..until we know more. Only shows a sad situation..nit hypocrisy ..SO FAR ..if there is follow up.let me know
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Katie wrote:
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Read the article. It's all about how the "abortion industry uses manipulation". Found another article on the same site from the same author written last August. And here's what she instructs to get people supporting the GOP, "Don't waste energy on people who are seriously dug in. It will be a waste of time and more aggravating than it's worth. Focus on folks who are unsure of where they stand, who seem pretty clueless about what's going on, and/or whose core values contradict their political leanings.
Remember, if each of us can get just one more person on our team, we double our vote. And that is powerful."
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/doubli...

Heh! Why do you think that is?
Heh! Maybe because it makes perfect sense to not focus your attention on those "seriously dug in" whose minds you're likely never going to change, but instead focus on those who may be fence sitters and/or not necessarily fully informed on the issues. And that would apply to people on BOTH sides.

Heh. Read !!!

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<quoted text> "Concealing the death of a child"
What child? A fetus is now a "child"?
Throwing the corpse of a dead fetus in the garbage is "abuse" now?
Do you not see a problem with this pattern of hypocrisy?
Well, I didn't write the article, and I don't have any control over the wording of the law or charges - the words you have such difficulty with, are not mine, but those of the various legislators and law enforcement involved in the case, so maybe you should be taking this up with them.

As far as the body is concerned, it was legally the corpse of a child....since it was

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BORN.
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Excuse me but WHO is asking you to not be nice to proaborts? Stop saying that is what we wantt.

I know that you are against abortion.

What I do see i you is your constant telling prolifers to not say anything to these proaborts that might offend them( and im not talking sbout lala here). Calling us unChristian and judgemental.

YET...HERE YOU ARE calling this woman without even knowing her situation"mental or on drugs" for giving birth without calling 911. You even included my sister in law in that.

Meanwhile these friends on here ade HERE TO FIGHT for the right to kill the preborn baby (some even had abortions or escort them proudly to their deaths) and you think yku sre a good example of a Christian for doing so?? Really???
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Sassy what you still don't see nor HELP with are the many debates,I DO HAVE with all of them on subjects concerning ABORTION..very grateful in fact.
But I do not Need to HATE THEM because I disagree on this MIST important subject .
If you need to have at it ..there ars Times when I am the ONLY PRO LIFE VOICE ON HERE. Such as a few days ago about the 20 week legislation..where we're YOU and the others..
yet you and your buddies,come after ME. fir Nit being hateful in debate and not tormenting a woman who aborted THIRTY YEARS ago.
I take her at her word...to me..And others. She regrets her choice.
This is a forum for debate ..But we do not have to be mean it hateful .
If our politicians so u of stop setting hateful examples..Maybe there WOULD BE RARITY with abortion..
I choose to pray for that.
And if I choose to have other conversation if a friendly nature..with people who who are people in this country just as I am
Why on earth do any of you care .
I AM NOT FOR ABORTION.
Given a vote I would vote against it ..if someone wants to HATE me for that ..they won't talk. to me.
If nit I am not going to be hateful to them
So far the Only hateful stuff to me personally is NOT coming from the PC side.
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<quoted text>Well, I didn't write the article, and I don't have any control over the wording of the law or charges - the words you have such difficulty with, are not mine, but those of the various legislators and law enforcement involved in the case, so maybe you should be taking this up with them.
As far as the body is concerned, it was legally the corpse of a child....since it was
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BORN.
The deceased fetus expelled naturally from the moms body. According to your kind..it was not a born baby. Spontaneous or elective ...their is a body. So, why is THIS womans fetus's body sacred? Or as you put it "legally" a corpse? Is there an illegal corpse?
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Katie wrote:
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Read the article. It's all about how the "abortion industry uses manipulation". Found another article on the same site from the same author written last August. And here's what she instructs to get people supporting the GOP, "Don't waste energy on people who are seriously dug in. It will be a waste of time and more aggravating than it's worth. Focus on folks who are unsure of where they stand, who seem pretty clueless about what's going on, and/or whose core values contradict their political leanings.
Remember, if each of us can get just one more person on our team, we double our vote. And that is powerful."
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/doubli...
Heh! Why do you think that is?
Can you cite that site????
I enjoy reading those kinds of posts.
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sassy JM wrote:
Excuse me but WHO is asking you to not be nice to proaborts? Stop saying that is what we wantt.
I know that you are against abortion.
What I do see i you is your constant telling prolifers to not say anything to these proaborts that might offend them( and im not talking sbout lala here). Calling us unChristian and judgemental.
YET...HERE YOU ARE calling this woman without even knowing her situation"mental or on drugs" for giving birth without calling 911. You even included my sister in law in that.
Meanwhile these friends on here ade HERE TO FIGHT for the right to kill the preborn baby (some even had abortions or escort them proudly to their deaths) and you think yku sre a good example of a Christian for doing so?? Really???
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Despite what Foo says, I think you're a great example of a Christian.
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<quoted text>What is a 'proabortion' mind?
Grief counseling can be very helpful after a death. Do you have a problem with the judge's ruling that she seek it?
I don't - she is under no obligation to follow the Counselor's instructions, just to seek the counseling.
But I do understand your confusion, since you don't understand the difference between stillbirth and abortion.
*pat pat*
The fact that she correctly points out that the abortionist "kills the fetus first" clearly indicates she DOES know the difference.

You take reading and comprehension tips from Katie?
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And is a better example of your point that babies babies are not VALUED Sassy ..the clinic owner just swooped in and dumped that baby ..whom it was proved had taken a breath .
Just pointing out that your story. Sad as it is ..to me shows something is wrong with the mom .
I'm arguing because I n your answer on this ..You keep bringing up that I seemingly approve of abortion because I can speak in a friendly manner to PC posters.
You were not here for the latest debate when I kept posting pics if 22. 23 week. Preemie. Equation g those little children with the 23 week in womb babies who supposedly are nit aware they are being killed.
You were nit here. Fine..But m y friendship with a single soul on this board has NITHING to do with how I feel about abortion.
And IMO y our story..until we know more. Only shows a sad situation..nit hypocrisy ..SO FAR ..if there is follow up.let me know
Where have I ever given you the impreszion that "because" your friendly with proaborts that that equates to you approving of abortion??

You're not hearing me. My issue is how YOU can judge some but others cant. You accused this woman AND my sisger in law of being mental cases or on drugs for goung in labor with no 911 call. YET..we are "unChristlike" no matger WHAT we say to proaborts.

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<quoted text>The deceased fetus expelled naturally from the moms body. According to your kind..it was not a born baby. Spontaneous or elective ...their is a body. So, why is THIS womans fetus's body sacred? Or as you put it "legally" a corpse? Is there an illegal corpse?
Your word salad isn't decipherable, dear. Let me help you out:

The expelled fetus became a child at birth, per the laws of The United States. Unfortunately, it was not granted the 'right to life', because it was already dead.

I stated the corpse was legally that of a child - not that the corpse itself was 'legal' or 'illegal'.

Nowhere did I state that this, or any, fetus' body was sacred.

And nowhere did I state that this was not a born child. I believe you took issue with that, too.

Make up your f**king mind already.
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Don't try to define anyone else's mindset; you aren't smart enough.
It was born dead; it's not that hard to understand. You have no idea if the woman is pro-choice or not; we know she chose to keep the pregnancy to term. And YES, a woman who gives birth usually expects to have a live baby as the result, which can be very traumatic when it doesn't happen.
I never said she NEEDED therapy. I don't make that determination; a therapist would. The judge had more of the facts in front of him than we did, and ordered an evaluation (a judge is not qualified to demand a course of treatment outside of addiction.)
How people dispose of a corpse has varied for centuries, and everyone sees it differently. In this case, I can see an act of extreme grief and denial; it's not the first time a distraught person has tied to make a disappointment go away. It has nothing to do with abortion, except in your tiny, obsessive brain.
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You still haven't answered a direct question from me(nor has Rose).

Anyhoo...

I am not the one "trying to define anyones elses mindset". YOU are by agreeing that this specific who lkst a fetus should. In your above post here ^^ You also came to a conclusion that this womans situation was an extreme grief and denial" case. What lead you to that conclusion with such lack of info on her story?

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The fact that she correctly points out that the abortionist "kills the fetus first" clearly indicates she DOES know the difference.
You take reading and comprehension tips from Katie?
Her "God" generally 'kills the fetus' before it's stillborn or miscarried too, fella.

If it's born alive, they don't call it a stillbirth.
If it's born at all, they don't call it an abortion.

Seems the pair of you would like everyone to agree that throwing one's stillborn into a garbage bag, without notifying anyone of the death, is fine and dandy, as long as elective abortion is legal.

What are ya....stoopid?
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<quoted text>Despite what Foo says, I think you're a great example of a Christian.
""I think that you're a great example of a Christian"""

I agree with NR on what kind of Jew you and foo are. Is THAT the kinda "great example" you're referring to?

You are a bigot old timer ;)

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<quoted text> ""I think that you're a great example of a Christian"""
I agree with NR on what kind of Jew you and foo are. Is THAT the kinda "great example" you're referring to?
You are a bigot old timer ;)
Fighting fire with fire is only going to get you burned, Christian. The way you portray your so-called 'faith', it's obvious that Jesus is just the guy who cuts your lawn.

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Heh! Maybe because it makes perfect sense to not focus your attention on those "seriously dug in" whose minds you're likely never going to change, but instead focus on those who may be fence sitters and/or not necessarily fully informed on the issues. And that would apply to people on BOTH sides.
Heh. Read !!!
Heh! You missed the author's obvious hypocrisy regarding her false claim of the "abortion industry's manipulation" and you failed to read the linked article showing her obvious hypocrisy as she instructs others on how to manipulate for the sole intent of doubling the voting power of the GOP.

"Fourth, employ the Socratic Method. Focus on a handful of crucial issues and develop a simple talking point followed by: "Why do you think that is?""
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/doubli...

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