Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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wrong twit. katie made it relevant when she tried to establish a self defense justification for abortion. she made the analogy, not me. and it failed, on every level possible.
abortion, since it involves killing human life, constitutes deadly force. your contention that since any pregnancy has the potential of going "south at any time", warrants the use of deadly force is horseshit. you don't get to exercise deadly force in the name of self defense on the basis of a potential threat. any person walking toward you on the street represents a potential threat. the vast majority however, are not threats at all. you don't get to shoot the person preemptively solely for the reason that you think he "may" pose a threat.
in the future weigh in on discussions only when you have a clue as to what you're talking about.
You were talking about it in the criminal sense. Cptr and I are both discussing it in the medical sense. It's you who should, "...weigh in on discussions only when you have a clue as to what you're talking about."
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Why so combative in your irrationality?
Have you missed the posts claiming abortion medically means pregnancy ending prior to term? Doesn't matter if it's by delivery or by D&E. Same/same.
Why so uptight?
Ain't she, tho? Gone for awhile and comes back just as bitchy as ever.
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sorry but she said post birth abortion and post birth termination were the same thing. if you think she meant something else then raise the issue with her not me. in the meantime let her explain what she said and not what you think she meant, ok cowboy?
He's answering your question. The last line of your posts asked and he answered. All that crap above is just crap, a distraction. Why so quarrelsome?
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Dontcha know STO, that because you didn't state EVERY WORD the way she wanted you to, you MUST be lying?@@
Not to mention she ignores what words you DID state very clearly that doesn't fit Lynne's agenda?
She hates me. And you. And Katie. And La (her faaaavorite!)

It's palpable.

Course she doesn't know us from years ago, so theoretically would have no reason to hate us so much...("I'm not Lynne! Really! I'm not!) lol

“Reality is better than truth.”

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Why? Here you are, and you've never had a fu**ing clue in your tawdry little life.

Legally, there is no such thing as deadly force against a fetus, as the fetus is not a legal person. A woman--just like a man--can assess a medical condition and whether they wish to treat it or not based on risk factors; she loses no autonomy just because her uterus works.
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wrong twit. katie made it relevant when she tried to establish a self defense justification for abortion. she made the analogy, not me. and it failed, on every level possible.
abortion, since it involves killing human life, constitutes deadly force. your contention that since any pregnancy has the potential of going "south at any time", warrants the use of deadly force is horseshit. you don't get to exercise deadly force in the name of self defense on the basis of a potential threat. any person walking toward you on the street represents a potential threat. the vast majority however, are not threats at all. you don't get to shoot the person preemptively solely for the reason that you think he "may" pose a threat.
in the future weigh in on discussions only when you have a clue as to what you're talking about.
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sorry but she said post birth abortion and post birth termination were the same thing. if you think she meant something else then raise the issue with her not me. in the meantime let her explain what she said and not what you think she meant, ok cowboy?
This was discussed long ago in relation to Obama's position while a Senator.

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Fu** your god. You can worship as you please, but no one else has to.
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<quoted text>Wow, that is so cold hearted. Ever think that the Image and Likeness of God should be respected? You know abortion is destroying the Image and Likeness of God. So if you support abortion you are supporting a very, very evil act of destroying God's own Likeness and Image Even if the child is unborn or just born and takes a breath. Do you hate God so much you want to destroy God's Image?
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Fu** your god. You can worship as you please, but no one else has to.
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Conscience bothering you I guess, Why would you get sooooo upset, hmmm?

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<quoted text>Wow, that is so cold hearted. Ever think that the Image and Likeness of God should be respected? You know abortion is destroying the Image and Likeness of God. So if you support abortion you are supporting a very, very evil act of destroying God's own Likeness and Image Even if the child is unborn or just born and takes a breath. Do you hate God so much you want to destroy God's Image?
"You know abortion is destroying the Image and Likeness of God."

So is your horrid faux-Christian personality. BTW, you have no proof there even is a God.

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The term is "annoyed", mosquito.
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<quoted text>Conscience bothering you I guess, Why would you get sooooo upset, hmmm?

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don't put quotes around a term that the poster did not use. it's deceitful.
since abortion means the termination of a pregnancy your explanation why a post birth abortion is not possible, is accurate. please explain similarly how a post birth termination is not possible.
Well, I did phrase it badly. What I meant was that the poster I answered used both phrases to mean the same thing. And he DID use the phrase "post birth abortion" on one of the other threads he spammed with his nonsense question, and it was the first time he did so. Because of that, I knew what he meant by "post birth termination". And I responded to that.
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You were talking about it in the criminal sense. Cptr and I are both discussing it in the medical sense. It's you who should, "...weigh in on discussions only when you have a clue as to what you're talking about."
self defense "is" a legal term. it's not a medical term. it's the term used to legally justify an action.

you made the analogy. don't try to hide from it now.
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He's answering your question.
no he's not. you don't even know what my question was, do you? if you did then you'd never say he was answering it.

bitner said that post birth abortions and post birth terminations were the same, and that both were non existent. since i agreed that post birth abortions were indeed non existent, i asked her to similarly explain how post birth terminations were non existent.

grumpy was saying that they were not non existent. he was saying they happen.

so how is that possibly answering my question?

The last line of your posts asked and he answered. All that crap above is just crap, a distraction. Why so quarrelsome?
why so stupid?
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Well, I did phrase it badly. What I meant was that the poster I answered used both phrases to mean the same thing. And he DID use the phrase "post birth abortion" on one of the other threads he spammed with his nonsense question, and it was the first time he did so. Because of that, I knew what he meant by "post birth termination". And I responded to that.
phrasing it badly is an understatement.

but back now to the original question - should the termination of a living, delivered product of a botched abortion, be considered murder?
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self defense "is" a legal term. it's not a medical term. it's the term used to legally justify an action.
you made the analogy. don't try to hide from it now.
Who's hiding?
Not me?

It's also used in the medical sense.
Look it up.(hint: organ donors)
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Katie wrote:
"The only safest way to cure pre-eclampsia is to abort or deliver the child. If pre-eclampsia is not very serious, then a woman can continue with her pregnancy and deliver her baby normally. In case the problem is very serious, premature delivery of the baby takes place."
My youngest was born under these circumstances. After I was admitted to the hospital on Christmas Eve following an OB appt. My oldest went full term, but the pre-ecclampsia began rearing its ugly head toward the end of that pregnancy.
Same here, Katie! Despite the anti-choice false claims or implications that all pregnancies are a walk in the park with no health risks or complications during pregnancy or at delivery, many women, myself included, have experienced both.

It's why the ONLY person who makes the decision to continue the pregnancy or not is the WOMAN who is pregnant.

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phrasing it badly is an understatement.
but back now to the original question - should the termination of a living, delivered product of a botched abortion, be considered murder?
That was not the original question. I already answered the original.

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<quoted text>Conscience bothering you I guess, Why would you get sooooo upset, hmmm?
Typical forum troll behavior @@

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no he's not. you don't even know what my question was, do you? if you did then you'd never say he was answering it.
bitner said that post birth abortions and post birth terminations were the same, and that both were non existent. since i agreed that post birth abortions were indeed non existent, i asked her to similarly explain how post birth terminations were non existent.
grumpy was saying that they were not non existent. he was saying they happen.
so how is that possibly answering my question?
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why so stupid?
And the original poster linked an article that doesn't use the terms post birth abortion or post birth terminations. The question given to PP was on what should happen to a baby born after a botched abortion.
The OP also said PP "defends the practice of post-birth terminations of babies born due to botched abortions". That is not true.
PP plainly stated "That decision should be between the patient and the health care provider"
PP also said in a written statement that "Medical guidelines and ethics already compel physicians facing life-threatening circumstances to respond, and Planned Parenthood physicians provide high-quality medical care and adhere to the most rigorous professional standards, including providing emergency care," "In the extremely unlikely event that the scenario presented by the panel of legislators should happen, of course Planned Parenthood would provide appropriate care to both the woman and the infant."

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<quoted text>And the original poster linked an article that doesn't use the terms post birth abortion or post birth terminations. The question given to PP was on what should happen to a baby born after a botched abortion.
The OP also said PP "defends the practice of post-birth terminations of babies born due to botched abortions". That is not true.
PP plainly stated "That decision should be between the patient and the health care provider"
PP also said in a written statement that "Medical guidelines and ethics already compel physicians facing life-threatening circumstances to respond, and Planned Parenthood physicians provide high-quality medical care and adhere to the most rigorous professional standards, including providing emergency care," "In the extremely unlikely event that the scenario presented by the panel of legislators should happen, of course Planned Parenthood would provide appropriate care to both the woman and the infant."
The desperation of the fetus worshippers is pathetic.

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