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STO

Vallejo, CA

#284714 Feb 18, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Now try answering the question. Do you need it repeated?
"If another Christian asked you why it was necessary Christ die for our sins, could you explain it to them?"
My guess is you dont know. Pity that the Jewish girl knows more than you do about this.
See, Foo, you being Jewish probably know OT Law, which is key.
Katie

Spanaway, WA

#284715 Feb 18, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
<quoted text>
If I may put my 2 cents worth in...
We were created sinless. Disobedience put a curse on mankind. It's like standing before a judge. Since God is a Holy God and cannot look upon sin, you committed the crime of sinning against him and your debt must be paid.
Jesus is like the judge's son who walks into the courtroom and says I'll pay the debt myself.
The judge accepts this as payment. He knows his son has decided you are worth being forgiven and because you are truly repentent. It's up to you to decide to accept the free offer or not. If you do, you're debt has been paid in full and you are free to walk sinless in the eyes of God. Even if you mess up and have to come before him again and ask for forgiveness. In God's eyes, it's like it never even happened. Refusing the offer is a personal choice as well. As is accepting the consequences.
If you ever come to a crossroads in your life where you want to be forgiven and your life has become hell on earth, you'll understand what this kind of freedom means.
Hope this helps. Always liked this analogy myself.
Spiritually is a state of mind and a fine line from mental illness, imo.

One without a conscience will see no wrong-doing in their bad behavior while one with a conscience will. The one with a conscience will learn from it. Those without consciences will not learn and may continue to push their ways across everyone else's personal boundaries.

Do you respect personal boundaries?
STO

Vallejo, CA

#284718 Feb 18, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
You were just asked that, and babbled some, but didn't answer the question. The question was:
""If another Christian asked you why it was necessary Christ die for our sins, could you explain it to them?"
Why are you tossing the question back to STO?
Are you afraid to answer?
My guess is you dont know and are hoping STO will tell you.
Gtown is very ignorant regarding the Word. He accuses me of "attacking" him, when all I'm doing is challenging him.

He shouldn't be affronted. He should take it as a sign he's got a lot to learn. Not only that, but a responsibility to learn.
Bit-o-honey

Mooresville, NC

#284719 Feb 18, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
STO wrote:
<quoted text>
~Appreciated.
Would it be fair to say your use of the "legal strict definition of viability" could become practically limitless, as medical technology advances.~
Doc wrote:
<quoted text>
~Theoretically I guess so. I believe even the SC in Casey vs PP acknowledged that the limits of viability were moving earlier in pregnancies as medical technology advanced.
But something like an artificial womb would change everything...and not just the concept of viability. Abortion would likely not even be an issue anymore.~
The discussion was about "artificial wombs" being in the sense of what STO had created a hypothetical about, when he suggested an 8 week fetus would be viable. Artifical womb being ALS of a fetus. USING an artificial womb would make viability and abortion a non-issue, which is what I understood Doc to be saying. I didn't understand him to mean "in general".
He can correct me if I'm wrong.
. I must speak up.

You were corrected. Doc acknowledged her point.

I've been following that discussion. It's a shame you have to interject yourself into any talk between differing sides that's going wll, in your incessant need to start shit.

Clearly that discussion between the three posters had progressed past the point you keep trying to drag it back to.

These folks are right about you. You certainly don't know when to shut up.
grumpy

Stony Point, NY

#284720 Feb 18, 2013
STO wrote:
<quoted text>
See, Foo, you being Jewish probably know OT Law, which is key.
Jews don't follow OT law per se. Our law changes with the times.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#284721 Feb 18, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I didn't, you just don't understand the obvious that I didn't think needed to be stated.
Yes, you did contradict yourself.

You wrote:
"Viability of an already born infant is also about POTENTIAL, and when doctors see a potential for that born infant to survive with medical help..."

In a prior post, you said, and I quoted you ver batim:

"That's not the same as viability of a newborn infant, because the newborn infant is already ~outside of the womb~, so it would be about potential of the newborn infant to survive without medical help."
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>If a [fetus] is viable, then once removed from it's NLS (the womb), and helped with ALS, it will be able to survive and continue to survive on ALS.

If a [born infant] is viable then, even if it's on ALS for a time, it will eventually be able to survive without it.
You state, above: "If a [fetus] is viable, then once removed from it's NLS (the womb)"

What is the difference between a fetus removed from the womb and a "born infant"?

What is the differnce between a "fetus" "helped with ALS" and a "born infant" " on ALS"?

If both are out of the womb and on ALS, wouldn't that mean they are both born?

You're so busy trying to be right, you're twisting yourself into a pretzel of contradiction.
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>Viability of a fetus and viability of a born infant are 2 different issues, with different factors as to what constitutes each being "viable".
You keep saying that, so what are he differentiating factors?

Here:

You finish the sentence:

The word "viable" applies differently from a fetus to an infant in that....(fill in the blank).
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>Anyone who believes viability of a fetus has to do with being born and surviving without ALS is wrong.
How does a fetus survive with ALS? IOW, how does one apply artificial life support to a fetus? Maybe there is a treatment out there that I haven't heard of.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#284723 Feb 18, 2013
Bit-o-honey wrote:
<quoted text>. I must speak up.
You were corrected. Doc acknowledged her point.
I've been following that discussion. It's a shame you have to interject yourself into any talk between differing sides that's going wll, in your incessant need to start shit.
Clearly that discussion between the three posters had progressed past the point you keep trying to drag it back to.
These folks are right about you. You certainly don't know when to shut up.
You expect anyone to believe you're not another usual PCer here? lol As if you're just another new poster coming right to my posts with the pretense that you're going by what "those folks" have said about me. You PCers are idiots.

Having said that; I was part of the original discussion STO started about artificial wombs, NOT Foo. She's the one who interjected herself, bonehead.

Doc has at times agreed some PCers had a point, only to realize that he missed something in what they were saying, and is able to admit it. An example is Ladilulu trying to chastise Doc about something having to do with rape and abortion, when Doc just needed more info on MAP, which I gave to him.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#284724 Feb 18, 2013
STO wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, you did contradict yourself.
You wrote:
"Viability of an already born infant is also about POTENTIAL, and when doctors see a potential for that born infant to survive with medical help..."
In a prior post, you said, and I quoted you ver batim:
"That's not the same as viability of a newborn infant, because the newborn infant is already ~outside of the womb~, so it would be about potential of the newborn infant to survive without medical help."
<quoted text>
You state, above: "If a [fetus] is viable, then once removed from it's NLS (the womb)"
What is the difference between a fetus removed from the womb and a "born infant"?
What is the differnce between a "fetus" "helped with ALS" and a "born infant" " on ALS"?
If both are out of the womb and on ALS, wouldn't that mean they are both born?
You're so busy trying to be right, you're twisting yourself into a pretzel of contradiction.
<quoted text>
You keep saying that, so what are he differentiating factors?
Here:
You finish the sentence:
The word "viable" applies differently from a fetus to an infant in that....(fill in the blank).
<quoted text>
How does a fetus survive with ALS? IOW, how does one apply artificial life support to a fetus? Maybe there is a treatment out there that I haven't heard of.
Holy cow, this is basic sense.

No, I did not contradict myself. You're the one that keeps interchanging 2 different and separate stages of human development; the fetal stage and the newborn infant stage.

STO: "You state, above: "If a [fetus] is viable, then once removed from it's NLS (the womb)"
What is the difference between a fetus removed from the womb and a "born infant"?"

Viability of a fetus is determined BEFORE removing it from NLS/ the womb.

Viability of a born infant is determined BEFORE removing it from ALS.

I can't Dick and Jane this more. Either you get it or you won't, and it looks like you won't.
grumpy

Stony Point, NY

#284725 Feb 18, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
<quoted text>
If I may put my 2 cents worth in...
We were created sinless. Disobedience put a curse on mankind. It's like standing before a judge. Since God is a Holy God and cannot look upon sin, you committed the crime of sinning against him and your debt must be paid.
Jesus is like the judge's son who walks into the courtroom and says I'll pay the debt myself.
The judge accepts this as payment. He knows his son has decided you are worth being forgiven and because you are truly repentent. It's up to you to decide to accept the free offer or not. If you do, you're debt has been paid in full and you are free to walk sinless in the eyes of God. Even if you mess up and have to come before him again and ask for forgiveness. In God's eyes, it's like it never even happened. Refusing the offer is a personal choice as well. As is accepting the consequences.
If you ever come to a crossroads in your life where you want to be forgiven and your life has become hell on earth, you'll understand what this kind of freedom means.
Hope this helps. Always liked this analogy myself.
But what if I tell the judge (God} that I don't want Jesus to pay for my sins. What will be my payment? A few centuries in hell and followed by eternity in heaven?

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#284726 Feb 18, 2013
If a fetus is viable, it won't die once removed from the NLS/the womb, even if it ALS to survive.

If a newborn infant is viable, it won't just survive ALS, but survive once removed from it.
Bit-O-Honey

Mooresville, NC

#284727 Feb 18, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
You expect anyone to believe you're not another usual PCer here? lol As if you're just another new poster coming right to my posts with the pretense that you're going by what "those folks" have said about me. You PCers are idiots.
Having said that; I was part of the original discussion STO started about artificial wombs, NOT Foo. She was the one that interjected herself.
No, she entered a public forum's discussion. A discussion that at that time was between STO and Doc, and had clearly moved beyond the discussion that YOU keep trying to drag it back to.

It seems to me that you prevent a LOT of discussions from moving forward to new areas with your incessent attention getting ploys.

.

You can believe what you like about me. I wont be a regular poster here - although as I said I was following Doc and STO's discussion. I'd ingored your posts, since they didn't really add anything to the discussion.

You DO understand that there are thousands of posters on these boards, dont you?

Is calling every new poster that doesn't post to your specifications automatically considered an already present poster in your mind? Is that how you rationalize ignoring what it appears MANY have told you? How sad for you.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#284728 Feb 18, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Lynne is a useful idiot for a few people here, which is the only time those on her "side" bother to respond to her - which is to use her for THEIR purpose. She's not intelligent enough to understand that.
Lynn's been a joke here for many years now. Its sad really.
IMO, she was so pathetic as Lynne and so easily bested as Persevere that she invented this newest persona to counteract her 2 previous personas and has simply gone way overboard to the point of appalling obnoxiousness and pomposity.

It's clear that anyone who converses with you in a civil manner gets her wrath and disdain.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#284729 Feb 18, 2013
Husker wrote:
<quoted text>Well, God gave us free will and the devil tempts people with doing things immoral, God still loves you, but hates your lifestyle that the devil tempted you with.
I don't know if God hates. I do believe we have free will and how we use it is between each person and God.
grumpy

Stony Point, NY

#284732 Feb 18, 2013
Husker wrote:
<quoted text>No they don't and Jews follow God's Ten commandments, the same ones in the OT. You know Moses and his gang. Maybe you should go to the Jewish form of RCIA.
What is RCIA?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#284733 Feb 18, 2013
No--I loathe door to door salespeople, jehovah's witnesses, and other unwanted intrusions.
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
I would be willing to bet that if a cute guy came to your door selling something - you would get his name and number. Correct?
rodgerrabbit

De Forest, WI

#284734 Feb 18, 2013
Lilrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Abortion isn't going to be repealed. Never in history has a civil right been taken AWAY from people.
Oh yeah?

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#284735 Feb 18, 2013
feces for jesus wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, the guy who cheated on his wife and had a child with his mistress really should be stressing the importance of marriage.
You're a hypocrite and nothing more.
Do you not believe in redemption?
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#284736 Feb 18, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
No--I loathe door to door salespeople, jehovah's witnesses, and other unwanted intrusions.
<quoted text>
Let's say you look through the peep-hole or whatever, and there is a really cute guy standing there. Do you ignore him or open the door?
Malbar CACA

Brisbane, Australia

#284737 Feb 18, 2013
chooselife wrote:
<quoted text>Then you can deal with the creator of the land and of life.
You choice. If you want to continue your cowardly, yellow-bellied ways that's up to you.
We will ask you the same questions day after day as in the past until you either piss off or answer them,
Get that into your thick MalbarCACa dunce head.
Who is "we" IndoMauritian ti pilon IMPOSTOR (ID #2 Bozo hide myASS! Australia the greater of many evils ADELAIDEANs)?
How do you know this JB?
Where do you go to read his posts online?
What other names does this JB have?
What other names do you have?
Why do you come here?
How much do they pay you?
Then:
You have unfinished business, reply to this by adding to the beginning of each one of these sentences: We all the ADELAIDEANs and Neville Benders:
Condemn, reprehend, admonish Julie chamberpot WORLD People (Iford Romford UK) in all her guises for her abusive
actions, conduct and behaviour in all Topix forums.
Condemn Julie chamberpot WORLD People (Iford Romford UK) for her racist, bigoted and prejudiced opinions,views,comments and remarks.
Reprehend Julie chamberpot WORLD People(Iford Romford UK) for being a black dalit sewer rat chharchhobi transvestite
MalbarKAKALatrine FUCKTARD and his cohorts for causing irreparable damage to the Australian and Mauritian forums.
Admonish Julie chamberpot WORLD People(IfordRomford UK) for being an ignorant buffoon and a worthless vermin scumbags and VERMIN.
Condemn, Reprehend, admonish Real Indian PoonJABI Sikh The Anti-Muhammad Singh The Aggrolite for being a lunatic, madman, deranged, demented, crazy, ROMEO TINY inferior midget turd, Rupert PIN DICK FOOFTER The Maniac Psycho Anti-Muhammad Greensborough Insane Lunatic Nutcase, a SPAMalot IDENTITY THIEF,PLAGIARIZER, ROBBER and IMPOSTOR Ringwood, Australia SPASTIC FUCKTURD PHAGGOT SHEMALE.
Condemn, Reprehend, admonish cute Real Indian levi, LEVI, Levi boy ti IndoMauritian pilon IMPOSTOR (ID #13 United States, Australia chickyladyrentboy monkey of The ADELAIDEANs) for being deranged, obssessed and delusional and Not only dumb but a fraud, a liar, an impostor, a fraudster, a troll for hire and rent by his own admission but more importantly a farcical clown and jerk and a total doorknob Stupif DICKHEAD. The Fixers gave you a most appropriate reply with which we are in total agreement and find no reason to change:
#3197 8 hrs ago
What a lot of cods wallop, no even worth a reply Get it right first time ti IndoMauritian pilon IMPOSTOR (ID #3 Melbourne, Australia The Bozo SCATAPOO of The ADELAIDEANs).
You have unfinished business, reply to this by adding to the beginning of each one of these sentences: We all the ADELAIDEANs and Neville Benders:
Condemn, reprehend, admonish Julie chamberpot WORLD People (Iford Romford UK) in all her guises for her abusive
actions, conduct and behaviour in all Topix forums.
Condemn Julie chamberpot WORLD People (Iford Romford UK) for her racist, bigoted and prejudiced opinions,views,comments and remarks.
Reprehend Julie chamberpot WORLD People(Iford Romford UK) for being a black dalit sewer rat chharchhobi transvestite
MalbarKAKALatrine FUCKTARD and his cohorts for causing irreparable damage to the Australian and Mauritian forums.
Admonish Julie chamberpot WORLD People(IfordRomford UK) for being an ignorant buffoon and a worthless vermin scumbags and VERMIN.
Condemn, Reprehend, admonish Real Indian PoonJABI Sikh The Anti-Muhammad Singh The Aggrolite for being a lunatic, madman, deranged, demented, crazy, ROMEO TINY inferior midget turd, Rupert PIN DICK FOOFTER The Maniac Psycho Anti-Muhammad Greensborough Insane Lunatic Nutcase, a SPAMalot IDENTITY THIEF,PLAGIARIZER, ROBBER and IMPOSTOR Ringwood, Australia SPASTIC FUCKTURD PHAGGOT SHEMALE.

DICKHEAD.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#284738 Feb 18, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
You people think I over use the phrase that none of you can read for comprehension, and I do, because not one of you can, and you all keep displaying it.
I never denied being obnoxious. I said that for John and Eddie to claim I was, and do that while ignoring they and all you PC are as well, was hypocritical and it's stupid.
Not all PC here are obnoxious. That's a generalization that you can't prove, Madam Proof is Paramount. In fact, not a PL are obnoxious. Of course, any PL who is civil, or even (gasp!) friendly to a PC here, you consider an enemy. Stop it.

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