Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 311863 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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SapphireBlue

Orlando, FL

#284671 Feb 18, 2013
grumpy wrote:
<quoted text>Have any anti-choicers ever seen an abortion or sonogram of a fetus destined to be grossly deformed at birth?
That's a choice each individual has to make.

However, the overwhelming majority of abortions are healthy developing fetuses who happen to be an inconvenience when the inconvenience should have been taking the necessary precautions to avoid creating that life in the first place.

Am I wrong?
Katie

Auburn, WA

#284672 Feb 18, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
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Artificial wombs? I feel like we're talking about a sci-fi movie and everyone instinctively knows it won't have a good ending.
The farther away we go from nature and the natural order of things, the closer we get to screwing things up.
How do you feel about "custom-ordered" babies? Eye color, gender, hair color, etc.
Or sperm banks where someone could end up marrying a half-sister or half-brother from the same sperm donor?
Are we really becoming this shallow and self-serving?
You seem to think so.

I don't think we should be making designer babies like dolls.

I was talking about real high-risk pregnancy. The kind that actually kills women when they're wanting to be pregnant. Artificial wombs and artificial surfactant ARE currently being tweaked in science labs. Foo recently posted a couple links regarding it.

There are also real fetal brain scans online for viewing -- to show the brain development in progress.

Who needs fiction when reality is available?

Since: Sep 08

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#284673 Feb 18, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, yeah. And Lily could start a cottage industry crocheting artificial womb colors.
Nah, that would imply she gives a shit about anyone BUT herself. Of course, I could see her screaming to those women that didn't like the colors she KNOWS they want!
SapphireBlue

Orlando, FL

#284674 Feb 18, 2013
grumpy wrote:
<quoted text>Obamacare allows fderal funding for abortion.
Yes, it does. And it's against the law.

However, Obama, as we are all learning, is above the law. Power-craving politicians who support him don't seem to care either.

It's why I say we'd all better wise up before it's too late.

Governments who give also take away.
Katie

Auburn, WA

#284675 Feb 18, 2013
Guppy wrote:
hmm, little goo-goo resembles someone else. they both make the same mistake over and over again. interesting.
they ain't fooling anyone.
Didja move to Florida, NR? Got outta Indiana and momma's basement, eh?
SapphireBlue

Orlando, FL

#284676 Feb 18, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
I have seen spontaneous abortion in a drawn-out process and I've seen an ectopic pregnancy burst even as the medical professional were insisting a blood clot was the embryo. Do you count those? I do.
Spontaneous abortions and ectopic pregnancies are nature taking its natural course for whatever reason.

Voluntary abortions and knowing exactly what that looks like is different.

Katie

Auburn, WA

#284677 Feb 18, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, yeah. And Lily could start a cottage industry crocheting artificial womb colors.
That's K&P's (knit and prays) job. She's been knitting baby booties for preemies for years now. Well, when she's not posting demon porn, anyway.

Since: Sep 08

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#284678 Feb 18, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
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Planned Parenthood manipulates its numbers
Prove it or stop lying about it.
They do provide some counseling and contraceptive pills and condoms but, for the most part, they are in the business of abortions..
Since only 3% of their business is abortion, you'd be wrong.

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#284679 Feb 18, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
Have any pro-choicers on here ever seen an actual abortion or a sonogram of a fetus in the process of being aborted?
Just curious.
Nope. And neither have you.

It wouldn't change my mind about educating women and allowing them to make their OWN choice anyway.

I haven't seen an actual mastectomy or aortic dissection either, and that wouldn't change my mind on those issues either.
Katie

Auburn, WA

#284680 Feb 18, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
By law, federal funding cannot be allocated for abortions. However, opponents argue that allocating money to Planned Parenthood for the provision of other medical services "frees up" funds to be re-allocated for abortion.
This is the problem.
Also, phone cameras have recorded numerous incidences where employees of Planned Parenthood simply ignore the law.
A bigger problem.
So what's your take on the founder of Lila Rose also having ties with Maximus and Gerard Health Foundation?

Wouldn't that be more alarming than the Affordable Health Care Act?

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#284681 Feb 18, 2013
Katie wrote:
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"Ummmm......WHAT? If she's pregnant, she woudln't have to HAVE her ZEF implanted ANYWHERE Lynne, you idiot. Its already implanted via the pregnancy."
Now wait, Foo. Seems to me you aren't considering women with high-risk pregnancies. If I were to get pregnant again, it may kill me. Therefore, I'd opt out of it. Unless there was an artificial womb available to gestate for me.
When I first read your links on artificial wombs, this is where my thinking was because of my own experiences. How cool it would be for women to actually have their natural children without the fatal risks some pregnancies bring (ie, high blood pressure, cardiac, stroke, etc).
That of course would be one of the options that opens up to people. But as was my point, it wouldn't ELIMINATE the need for abortion, nor would it make abortion a non-issue, y'know?

What I said to Doc, was said ONLY about the concept that artifical wombs would make abortion a non-issue.

Can you imagine how much this technology would COST? It boggles the mind...

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#284682 Feb 18, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
By law, federal funding cannot be allocated for abortions. However, opponents argue that allocating money to Planned Parenthood for the provision of other medical services "frees up" funds to be re-allocated for abortion.
This is the problem.
Its not a problem for me. Its a problem for you? Tough shit.
Also, phone cameras have recorded numerous incidences where employees of Planned Parenthood simply ignore the law.
A bigger problem.
ROFLMAO! No the bigger problem are stupid extremists that try to use cropped togehter footage to suit their agenda. The LEGITIMATE cases are being prosecuted. Does it happen? Sometimes I'm sure, but its not the big problem you and your kind claim it is.

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#284683 Feb 18, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
<quoted text>
Artificial wombs? I feel like we're talking about a sci-fi movie and everyone instinctively knows it won't have a good ending.
The farther away we go from nature and the natural order of things, the closer we get to screwing things up.
Actually the more your kind try to interfere in others personal medical decisions the more YOU screw things up. Usually for yourselves.
How do you feel about "custom-ordered" babies? Eye color, gender, hair color, etc.
I'm all for genetic manipulation for the elimination of disorders and diseases. On a genetic level, I have no problem with it. Just as I have no issue with abortion because of genetic disorders and diseases. People aren't custom ordering babies. Now THAT is science fiction. Funny how you dont have a problem with that garbage huh?
Or sperm banks where someone could end up marrying a half-sister or half-brother from the same sperm donor?
ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOO!!! Sperm banks have been around for decades, and its never been an issue yet with literally hundreds of thousands of babies born with the help of them.

Grow up.

Katie

Auburn, WA

#284684 Feb 18, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
That of course would be one of the options that opens up to people. But as was my point, it wouldn't ELIMINATE the need for abortion, nor would it make abortion a non-issue, y'know?
What I said to Doc, was said ONLY about the concept that artifical wombs would make abortion a non-issue.
Can you imagine how much this technology would COST? It boggles the mind...
I honestly don't see the need of abortion ever becoming obsolete regardless of technology. It may lessen it to the point of becoming a rarity, but not disappear altogether. To that I agree with you.

Maybe I read something wrong in your post. I thought you were saying already pregnant women would have no need for an artificial womb because they were already pregnant. So I provided an example where it could be beneficial. Y'know?

Since: Sep 08

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#284685 Feb 18, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a choice each individual has to make.
However, the overwhelming majority of abortions are healthy developing fetuses who happen to be an inconvenience when the inconvenience should have been taking the necessary precautions to avoid creating that life in the first place.
Am I wrong?
The overwhelming majority of abortions are in the first trimester. 97%. And no, you're NOT wrong, but that overwhelming number isn't likely to change even WITH more restrictive legislation. The SC has affirmed and reaffirmed time and again the legality and freedom women have to make that decision UNFETTERED in the first trimester.

For MOST of us, we want more comprehensive education in schools and earlier so kids dont grow up as ignorant of their choices and options for PREVENTING pregancy. Sadly, some on your side want to restrict birth control and education as well.

It becomes a catch-22.

In REALITY, the discussions we're ALL having is about that 3% that's NOT in the majority.
grumpy

Stony Point, NY

#284686 Feb 18, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a choice each individual has to make.
However, the overwhelming majority of abortions are healthy developing fetuses who happen to be an inconvenience when the inconvenience should have been taking the necessary precautions to avoid creating that life in the first place.
Am I wrong?
No. But notice that your first sentence said, "That's a choice each individual has to make." That's exactly what all pro-choicers are saying.

Since: Sep 08

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#284687 Feb 18, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
<quoted text>
Spontaneous abortions and ectopic pregnancies are nature taking its natural course for whatever reason.
Voluntary abortions and knowing exactly what that looks like is different.
ROFLMAO No its not. Tho your kind would LIKE it to be different, medically, its really not. At the end of the day, its the expulsion of an untenable or unwanted pregnancy.
Katie

Auburn, WA

#284688 Feb 18, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
<quoted text>
Spontaneous abortions and ectopic pregnancies are nature taking its natural course for whatever reason.
Voluntary abortions and knowing exactly what that looks like is different.
Says who? Medical professionals? Legal professionals?

Or the PLM?
Guppy

Bloomfield Hills, MI

#284689 Feb 18, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
Didja move to Florida, NR? Got outta Indiana and momma's basement, eh?
Yes, moved to Florida.

I have never been to Indiana. What makes you say that?

No, still in momma's basement in Florida.

I'll let you know if I decide to move again. Want to visit?

If momma moves, I move. I love my momma. She caters to me.

Since: Sep 08

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#284690 Feb 18, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
I honestly don't see the need of abortion ever becoming obsolete regardless of technology. It may lessen it to the point of becoming a rarity, but not disappear altogether. To that I agree with you.
Maybe I read something wrong in your post. I thought you were saying already pregnant women would have no need for an artificial womb because they were already pregnant. So I provided an example where it could be beneficial. Y'know?
No, I wasn't saying that at all, except at it pertained to women that were considering abortion

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