Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 310175 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#284302 Feb 16, 2013
Katie wrote:
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Give some reasons why you believe it's contradictory? I have already read some people's claims they do not agree with restrictions because these do remove women's full autonomy and privacy. So please provide something beyond that.
The reasons are IN the post you responded to. WTH is wrong with your brain? The majority of PC posting here do agree with the restrictions. Those who do not wouldn't be included in what I'm talking about, because it wouldn't be about them.

The reasons IN the post you responded to:

~Either PC believes that women should have "personal autonomy" and "medical privacy", or they don't. Agreeing with restrictions at viability contradicts that view.

PC believing that a fetus doesn't and shouldn't have equal rights to a woman, is contradicted by the PCers who agree with restrictions on abortion at viability.

PCers who believe women who kill their born children are monsters, while believing a woman having her child in utero killed is just excercising her right not to reproduce,(even though her developing child has already been produced), are people who ignorantly contradict themselves at every turn.~
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#284303 Feb 16, 2013
Katie wrote:
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No, Katie is not my real name nor listed on my birth certificate.
Why are you so afraid to use your real name? Is it a boys name?

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

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#284304 Feb 16, 2013
Guppy wrote:
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What side do you think I am on now??
Neither. I think you're straddling it.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#284305 Feb 16, 2013
STO wrote:
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Typically, yes. But Doc isn't really arguing about what is typical. As I understand him, he is arguing that the point at which a fetus may be determined viable can (maybe will) continue to change to earlier and earlier points in gestation due to advances in medical technology.
Hence the artifical womb hypothetical.
If Doc's strict use of the definition of the word "viable" regarding specifically the medical status of a fetus OR infant is applied, then the typical understanding of when a fetus or infant is viable, as the term is used today -- TODAY --(in gestation), becomes invalid.
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TODAY they are not viable. In 20 years, they may be. That is the way Doc is using the defintion.
Viable = without ALS
Viable = with ALS
Both, however far medical technology can take it.
Doc is not setting any limits on how/when an MD can determine viability.
That's your issue with Doc, and a hypothetical you created that is irrelevant and something I'm not interested in. I understand him just fine, and he can speak for himself.
STO wrote:
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Ad hom was unnecessary. You were doing so well.
You don't have any right to expect that I would post to you respectfully after the bullshit you've initiated with me since I've been here.
STO wrote:
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The point is the definition of "viable", including with and without ALS. An artifical womb would fall under the WITH category.
You are arguing what is typical, today. You are not understanding the strict defintion that Doc is applying.
An 8 weeks gestation fetus may be considered viable if implanted in an artfical womb (ALS).
Again, your sci-fi hypothetical is irrelevant. Viability at 8 weeks isn't relevant in the abortion issue today. An artificial womb is ALS (artificial life support), and the same would apply as any ALS would. A natural womb is NLS (natural life support).
STO wrote:
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I do have basis and reason for it. I'm using a hypothetical to help you understand how Doc is using the definition of the word "viable". Which means with and without ALS.
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Yes, it IS with or without ALS. I understand what Doc writes and I understand what viability of a fetus means. I do have adult reading comprehension skills, and he hasn't posted anything confusing to me, or contradicting to anything I've said fetal viability means.

Guppy

Englewood, FL

#284306 Feb 16, 2013
John-K wrote:
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To you perhaps, to me perhaps, to those who "Genuinely Believe..."
For them, there is NO doubt.
How can you have ''no doubt" about a person that doesn't exist? I think they truly would like to believe it. They have a need. I cant motor through life without it.

“Don't forget to”

Since: Sep 09

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#284307 Feb 16, 2013
John-K wrote:
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Damned it!
Would you like some "rice" with that my dear?
Hah! John screws up again!
;P
Eh, can't complain...well, I can, but who wants to read that...?
John, your complaints (mild no doubt) would still be more interesting than most of what I read on topix. Go for it!
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#284308 Feb 16, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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Neither. I think you're straddling it.
Should I be like everyone else? I like being in the middle. It works for me.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

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#284309 Feb 16, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
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Children and adults can recount events going on around them long after they were pronounced dead.
Many recount conversations by those attending them and objects in a room that couldn't have possibly been seen from their vantage point before they died.
This simply can't be ignored or explained away.
Modern research on near-death experiences have come from several academic disciplines including medicine, psychology and psychiatry. Among them are the Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, British Journal of Psychology and American Journal of Disease of Children.
However, cases of NDEs go back to ancient times and Plato.
Research has also covered neurological explanations like residual brain activity.

There are also many people who have been clinically dead and report having no such experiences, but nobody writes books about those people so they get little media exposure (if any), and having no story to tell also generates no revenue.
Anonymous

United States

#284310 Feb 16, 2013
feces for jesus wrote:
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What is a Holy Ghost? Seriously? Is a spirit a ghost? Are the soul and spirit the same thing? All you have is spiritual jargon. Empty words with no substance behind them.
Like I've said, untill the "spirit " of the Lord dwells in a person, they cannot understand the things of God, but you have a soul "which is not a pea size thing floating around in you ",but it looks just like you, as if just under your skin. The 3 sons of noah represented these 3 people are made of.
Physical body -represents "as a whole " the black race, which is more physical then any other race. Soul, mind, intellect of man, represents the white race, which is "as a whole "smartest on earth, then spirit -represents all yellow type people, which is "as a whole " the most spiritual on earth.
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

These three agree and are one.
The wind blows where it wills.
You cannot know where it has been or where it is going, BUT you know as it touches you, as it passes by, so are all who are born of God, or bornagain.

My wife was never able to give me an answer that made any sense, so I know how you feel, but it is a one on one deal between you and God.

Asking to convict you, to do whatever it takes to get your attention, and make it real to you, if you truly want to know or not.

Read the examples of those in the bible that Jesus spoke to, note their statues in life, and their view of God. What did Jesus tell them?

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

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#284311 Feb 16, 2013
Guppy wrote:
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Why are you so afraid to use your real name? Is it a boys name?
Is Guppy your real name?

“Don't forget to”

Since: Sep 09

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#284312 Feb 16, 2013
Katie wrote:
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Agree with your sentiment, AJ. If you pop into that account you hate, you will find my new address in your inbox :)
Ewww. Hate that place, but I'll gird my loins ... tomorrow! Yes, yes, tomorrow is a new day as they say.:-)
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#284313 Feb 16, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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So, in other words you want a god that allows you free will, while choosing your night out and who you sleep with, and then step in and fix anything you mess up, right?
Perhaps he could even leave you a couple hundred bucks in your pocket when He leaves, so you can go out again the next night.
You need to go to the build a god store and, well build your own god.
Next door to Mr. Cookie in the mall :)
I don't want a god at all. When was the last time god stepped into someone's life and fixed their mess?

I don't need to build a god. I have no use for fairy tales. They're made up - just like the guy you seem to like.

When was the last time your god left money for a poor person? Never. Why not? He doesn't exist.

If he existed, he would show his face and help the truly desperate. He doesn't, does he. Wonder why?

Since: Aug 09

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#284314 Feb 16, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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John: "So, you don't want to address anything I'd raised in my later posts but prefer to "dismiss" me because I won't call every PC poster out on the obnoxious posts they post."
You made an assumption, and are acting like it's the truth about me, and speaking to me as though your assumption is fact? How very obnoxious of you. I didn't "dismiss" you. I was making a point using the hypocrisy you displayed. Common among PCers here, and you're no exception, is accusing PLers of being certain negative behavior, when it's PCers who initiate the negative behavior they accuse PLers of displaying. Funny stuff, John. You ALL do that.
I just finished replying to one of your "later" posts, and saw this one right after it posted. Guess you proved something about yourself again. You're not doing very well at trying to prove something about me. All you keep proving is what you accuse me of is true about you.
Wanna keep going? lol
I displayed no "hypocrisy."
I simply did not display an attitude that you approved of.

As usual, you try to reduce everyone else's posts to your motives; I'm not trying to "prove" anything about you--you do that adequately enough yourself.
I've said that there's enough "obnoxiousness" to go around for both camps, yet all you're concerned with is that "perceived" obnoxiousness that is directed at you.

The only thing I was trying to "prove" is that you're deliberately misconstruing the arguments PC posters have when they argue for reasonable "restrictions."
As I said before; nobody's calling a fetus a "z/e/f."
http://www.topix.com/forum/nyc/T833PCEP80MM49...

Stop trying to "twist" that.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

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#284315 Feb 16, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
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The question you need to ask yourself is if man could create a human beating heart. From scratch.
Would you want them to? Things are being done in labs that the public never hears about...so who knows?
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#284316 Feb 16, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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Is Guppy your real name?
Someone gave me this name. I like it. I would have no problem using my real name if other people did too. AH.......

Since: Aug 09

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#284317 Feb 16, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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I try and keep the cookies on the bottom shelf, but if one wants to know how many fleas are on pharohs dog, then I geuss they could.
What pray-tell does that have to do with my post to you...?

Since: Aug 09

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#284318 Feb 16, 2013
Guppy wrote:
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How can you have ''no doubt" about a person that doesn't exist? I think they truly would like to believe it. They have a need. I cant motor through life without it.
My "doubts" are precisely what prevent me from having "Faith..."

Since: Feb 07

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#284319 Feb 16, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
John, just so you know; your opinions of me are boring, meaningless and hypocritical; especially when you've got people like CD, Foo and Katie in the PC camp being more obnoxious to PLers than I could ever be to anyone, and they're the ones wallowing in it. You don't post to them about their obnoxiousness and wallowing in it with your self-righteous judgements, as you do to PL.
That's not even to mention that I haven't initiated any discussions with you, haven't posted to or about you, and you're the one who initiated the postings to me. What do you do in initiating posting to me?
Take a look in 1st post:
"Lily," you are such an obnoxious personality that I usually simply scroll past your posts without bothering to read them.
It's the same-old same-old from you anyway; you people are boneheads, you people are stupid, you people can't read for comprehension, you people are OWNED by us, the PC are all idiots, blah, blah, blah... "
In 2nd post:
"Fair enough, there's enough "blame" to go around for people on "both" sides of the proverbial "aisle" to be considered "obnoxious."
You--personally--have a penchant for wallowing in it--IMO..."
I consider that to be very disrespectful, "obnoxious" and hypocritical of you, John.
You've done that kind of thing each time you've initiated posts to me. As I said, I don't initiate the obnoxiousness. You just proved the truth of that.
My God woman! You're just as obnoxious as ever. Nothing ever changes with you. No growth. No maturation process. Yes Lily, you are a victim. A pitiable victim. And your superiority over all other humans is duly noted. Have I stroked your ego sufficiently now?

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

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#284320 Feb 16, 2013
Guppy wrote:
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Someone gave me this name. I like it. I would have no problem using my real name if other people did too. AH.......
Someone gave me the name Marie. My mother. It's typed on my birth certificate. That makes it official.

Now what did that change?
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#284321 Feb 16, 2013
Katie wrote:
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Wow, <quoted text>
Wow, Cptr (and back atcha), is Guppy pouting because your post wasn't linked? I saw it, read it, and thought how similar it was to my own childhood. We had a big family. Most the women were educated and worked as nurses. Sometimes I even went to work with my mom or gramma. Probably wouldn't be legal these days, though.
Do you think Guppy's ever had anyone's real respect?
Peter seems to be having a melt down. It's OK. Things will get better, they always do. Even for someone as mean as you.
Don't take your unhappiness out on other people. Learn to deal with it on your own.
Katie and Peter are the same people. It doesn't matter to me. They don't fool anyone.

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