Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 20 comments on the Jan 22, 2008, Newsday story titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#283735 Feb 13, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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Yes, I'm trying to show, just how dumb it is when people come up with all kinds of stupid reasons why killing an unborn child is ok.
There are people who have things frozen, but this is not normal and has nothing to do with the average abortion.
I was just curious, if any thought the aborting of a viable fetus was considered murder?
Most abortions are done, on a just becouse I can, and it is legal, bases.
Under the direction of "safe sex ", we have more and more kids having sex.
When you have more people having sex, you have more pregnancies, when you have more pregnancies, you have a need for more abortions.
Aborting a baby, who has its own heart, is legalized murder, and not like any other medical procedure.
Well, that's just one opinion. It really is a medical procedure, like any D&C.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#283736 Feb 13, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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I've always liked your name, for what its worth :)
Thanks, but I was talking about my real name. Elise is my middle name in "real life."

“Pro-Life”

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#283737 Feb 13, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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No Moron Lynniekins, its not ridiculous OR sensless. In fact, in a few short years, we'll have them. Its already happened with shark embryo's.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21905089
http://www.thesciencenews.info/2011/04/artifi...
But then, we know you dont give a shit about actual discussion, you'd MUCH rather dismiss anything ANYONE that's on your personal shit list as being "ridiculous" even tho its reality.
I was talking about viability being at 8 weeks being ridiculous to creat a hypothetical about, you ignorant buffoon. Stop trying to help your friends, because you only prove you aren't following what's being said because you have an irrationalk need to prove me wrong, when you don't know what you're talking about.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#283738 Feb 13, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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"So anyone who had an abortion before abortion was legal was a murderer?"

Abortion has never been considered murder in this country, just an illegal abortion.

"Anyone who has an illiegal abortion today is a murderer?"

No, they've just had an illegal abortion. Even Gosnell has not been charged with murder for the illegal late term abortions he performed, but for the woman who died, and the infants he killed.

"As long as it is done according to the law, it it not considered murder."

Forget we're talking about abortion for a moment, and share with us all how any killing can be legal and illegal at the same time.

"So as long as it is legal, then it is ok, correct?"

Who said anything about "okay"? I said it's not murder. And it's not.

"This is a fact that has been true throughout time, no matter what it is, if it was legal to do then it was ok to do, or it is up to each person to decide if it is right or not."

It is not a "fact" that anything legal is "okay". That is a subjective perception, not objective.

What it IS, is legal for a person to choose to do. And the fact is that murder is a legal term for illegal killing. Killing that is legal therefore, is not murder.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#283739 Feb 13, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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So anyone who had an abortion before abortion was legal was a murderer?
Anyone who has an illiegal abortion today is a murderer?
As long as it is done according to the law, it it not considered murder.l
So as long as it is legal, then it is ok, correct?
This is a fact that has been true throughout time, no matter what it is, if it was legal to do then it was ok to do, or it is up to each person to decide if it is right or not.
Abortion is okay because it is a moral right.

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#283740 Feb 13, 2013
STO wrote:
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"Viability is about a determition made at a certain gestational point as to the potential of a fetus surviving outside of the womb."
With ALS, per Doc.
The point at which a fetus is "viable" has changed, IF one considers medical technology today as opposed 30 years ago.
Medical technology may one day include an artifical womb.
So, your ad homs aside, when is a fetus viable?
Yes, with ALS, per Doc. But that's not what Katie understands. She's talking about viability of a newborn infant, which is different than viability of a fetus. She's the one not grasping the distinction.

"Artificial womb" is immaterial to a discussion on viability. You placed viability at 8 weeks in your hypothetical, and that's not going to happen.

Hypotheticals that have no basis in truth are ridiculous. Yours included "viable" when human life goes "from embryo to fetus" which = 8 weeks gestation. Not a realistic basis and is why your hypothetical is irrelevant.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#283741 Feb 13, 2013
Forum wrote:
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Most of the doctors that practice in the US are from other
countries. They pass a test and they are allowed to
practice here. Women are being raped everytime they are
being examined. If a women dies in childbirth, it is Gods
will. He takes her life.
Every sentence in that post is complete nonsense. Congratulations.

“Pro-Life”

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#283742 Feb 13, 2013
With ALS per medical and legal definition of viable fetus, not "per Doc".

“Pro-Life”

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#283743 Feb 13, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
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No fear "lilrabbitfoofoo". Although most PL define the beginning of life at conception, an "embryo" that is conceived, studied, and frozen in the very first stages of development, in a test tube and not the womb, would never meet the legal or scientific definition of "viable". Now considering that I am just one of 320+ million people in our country, here's where the nuance comes in on my opinion. That circumstance is different then an embryo that begins it's conception in the womb as a result of mans natural connection with women. Isn't that just crazy? Even crazier is I believe that unless the mothers very life is in jeopardy from the developing fetus that to abort the baby is not an option. Now this is the craziest of them all "lilrabbitfoofoo", I'm sorry, but that name alone makes it difficult to take anything you say seriously. Just saying it out loud paints the most ridiculous mental image. My apologies, I digress. In the case of rape and incest, that better happen in the first trimester, with the abortion being considered murder legally and charges filed against the rapist for that death.
Really well said, including about the name.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#283744 Feb 13, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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So anyone who had an abortion before abortion was legal was a murderer?
Anyone who has an illiegal abortion today is a murderer?
As long as it is done according to the law, it it not considered murder.
So as long as it is legal, then it is ok, correct?
This is a fact that has been true throughout time, no matter what it is, if it was legal to do then it was ok to do, or it is up to each person to decide if it is right or not.
Gtown71 wrote:
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Well sto, the bible says that life is in the blood, so if a person must stop the heart from beating, then they gave killed a baby.


STO replied: But a frozen embryo can implant and gestate. You consider it to be dead because the heart beat was stopped, however temporarily?

“Pro-Life”

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#283745 Feb 13, 2013
STO wrote:
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" Although most PL define the beginning of life at conception, an "embryo" that is conceived, studied, and frozen in the very first stages of development, in a test tube and not the womb, would never meet the legal or scientific definition of "viable"."
You didn't answer the question. You said abortion was "killing a baby". So, do you equate disposal of a frozen embryo with "killing a baby"? Viability is irrelevant to this question.
That's right, viability is irrelevant to the question.

What's also irrelevant is that abortion has to do with a human life in utero being killed.

Further, if there ever was a time where a fetus was gestating in an artificial womb, YES, aborting it would be killing that human life. Not sure what answer you're expecting from PL.

“Pro-Life”

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#283746 Feb 13, 2013
Katie wrote:
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She copies my words "physician determines fetus is viable" but doesn't understand what these mean as she rides my a$$ and demands I prove what I am saying or bow down to her highness. Even worse, when coming up behind her buddy Doc, she doesn't understand what he's saying (although I'm sure she's clicking those icons in his favor).
Didja see where she told me to prove Doc is PC? How crazy is that? Doc can confirm or deny himself. He's always claimed he's PC, though I see him as PL holding exceptions for life of woman.
Katie: "She copies my words "physician determines fetus is viable" but doesn't understand what these mean as she rides my a$$ and demands I prove what I am saying or bow down to her highness."
WHERE did I copy those words liar? You made a claim and once again you can't substantiate it so make excuses and play victim. Your act here is old and boring.

Yes, YOU claimed Doc said he was PC. I expected you to b able to prove where he said that about himself. Can't do it, just say so, bonehead. Funny, I can prove my claims of what you people have said, by providing the posts in which you said it. You make claims and can't back one of them. As far as I know, he's always claimed to be PL and holds exceptions for rape and life of mother. His friend Tap is PC.

Just goes to show anyone who's paying attention and who cares about integrity in discussion, that you don't pay attention and have no integrity in discussion.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#283747 Feb 13, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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Yes, with ALS, per Doc. But that's not what Katie understands. She's talking about viability of a newborn infant, which is different than viability of a fetus. She's the one not grasping the distinction.
"Artificial womb" is immaterial to a discussion on viability. You placed viability at 8 weeks in your hypothetical, and that's not going to happen.
Hypotheticals that have no basis in truth are ridiculous. Yours included "viable" when human life goes "from embryo to fetus" which = 8 weeks gestation. Not a realistic basis and is why your hypothetical is irrelevant.
"She's talking about viability of a newborn infant, which is different than viability of a fetus."

What is the difference?

Honest question. I think they are one in the same.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#283748 Feb 13, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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That's right, viability is irrelevant to the question.
What's also irrelevant is that abortion has to do with a human life in utero being killed.
Further, if there ever was a time where a fetus was gestating in an artificial womb, YES, aborting it would be killing that human life. Not sure what answer you're expecting from PL.
If you read my post again you will see that I was asking about frozen embryos, and if that poster believed disposing of a frozen embryo equated to "killing a baby". That poster had already stated that abortion was "killing a baby".

You have mixed up two separate conversations.
Anonymous

United States

#283749 Feb 13, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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"So anyone who had an abortion before abortion was legal was a murderer?"
Abortion has never been considered murder in this country, just an illegal abortion.
"Anyone who has an illiegal abortion today is a murderer?"
No, they've just had an illegal abortion. Even Gosnell has not been charged with murder for the illegal late term abortions he performed, but for the woman who died, and the infants he killed.
"As long as it is done according to the law, it it not considered murder."
Forget we're talking about abortion for a moment, and share with us all how any killing can be legal and illegal at the same time.
"So as long as it is legal, then it is ok, correct?"
Who said anything about "okay"? I said it's not murder. And it's not.
"This is a fact that has been true throughout time, no matter what it is, if it was legal to do then it was ok to do, or it is up to each person to decide if it is right or not."
It is not a "fact" that anything legal is "okay". That is a subjective perception, not objective.
What it IS, is legal for a person to choose to do. And the fact is that murder is a legal term for illegal killing. Killing that is legal therefore, is not murder.
Where do you think our laws came from, when this country was founded?
STO

Vallejo, CA

#283750 Feb 13, 2013
Katie wrote:
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So long as it's consensual, I guess. Maybe those embryos are "less" natural, less "deserving" of protection or of needing his voice because everything about their conception was artificial. Does he think the embryo is artificial, too? I dunno. It makes no sense to me, STO.
Me neither.

I wonder if the OP will be back to explain.?
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#283751 Feb 13, 2013
WOW! Talk about beating a dead horse.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#283752 Feb 13, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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"So anyone who had an abortion before abortion was legal was a murderer?"
Abortion has never been considered murder in this country, just an illegal abortion.
"Anyone who has an illiegal abortion today is a murderer?"
No, they've just had an illegal abortion. Even Gosnell has not been charged with murder for the illegal late term abortions he performed, but for the woman who died, and the infants he killed.
"As long as it is done according to the law, it it not considered murder."
Forget we're talking about abortion for a moment, and share with us all how any killing can be legal and illegal at the same time.
"So as long as it is legal, then it is ok, correct?"
Who said anything about "okay"? I said it's not murder. And it's not.
"This is a fact that has been true throughout time, no matter what it is, if it was legal to do then it was ok to do, or it is up to each person to decide if it is right or not."
It is not a "fact" that anything legal is "okay". That is a subjective perception, not objective.
What it IS, is legal for a person to choose to do. And the fact is that murder is a legal term for illegal killing. Killing that is legal therefore, is not murder.
"Killing that is legal therefore, is not murder."

Exactly. Such as execution or target killing.

And some would argue both should be considered murder, in that they should be ILLEGAL. Thus the questions regarding drone strikes.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#283753 Feb 13, 2013
Katie wrote:
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I have. More than once. About a year ago when claiming childbirth is a process, that the brain doesn't instantly wake up upon birth no matter how alert your newborn seems. Dig for it yourself. You argued it then, why should I do your work when you'll be less appreciative of it now?
Stop you idiotic, aggressive demanding of others. Google works as well for you as it does for me. Just look up the words in Merriam medical to understand the definitions of the chemical makeup of the amniotic fluid and what these do physiologically.
Come back to the table when you can be more adult. It'd be appreciated.
Really, dimwit?

http://www.embryology.ch/anglais/fplacenta/am...

"The makeup of the amniotic fluid is thus quite complex, with many maternal and fetal constituents. The main constituents are water and electrolytes (99%) together with glucose, lipids from the fetal lungs, proteins with bactericide properties and flaked-off fetal epithelium cells (they make a prenatal diagnosis of the infantile karyotype possible). "

I see the words, water and electrolytes (making up 99% of the fluid), glucose, lipids, proteins, bactericide properties, and flaked-off epithelium cells.

Just where is the "anesthetic" in that chemical make up, idiot?
Not one of those words is an anesthetic.

http://www.actabiomedica.it/data/2004/supp_1_...

"Amniotic fluid is 98-99% water."

"Amniotic fluid physiology
About 4 liters of ~~water~~ accumulate within intrauterine
compartments during the 40-week period of
human gestation, with 2800 ml in the fetus, 400 ml in
the placenta, and 800 ml in the amniotic fluid. At the
beginning of pregnancy, amniotic fluid volume (AFV)
is a multiple of fetal volume."

You try to be condescending to your intellectual betters, but you haven't got what it takes to back it up, so you look like an ignorant buffoon instead.

If you have something that proves amniotic fluid is an anesthetic, then prove that, or prove you're a liar. You stated it as fact.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#283754 Feb 13, 2013
The reason I ask you to prove something you claim, Katie, is because I know you're wrong.

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