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Since: Sep 08

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#283701 Feb 13, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
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No fear "lilrabbitfoofoo". Although most PL define the beginning of life at conception, an "embryo" that is conceived, studied, and frozen in the very first stages of development, in a test tube and not the womb, would never meet the legal or scientific definition of "viable"..........ri diculous obfuscating bullshit deleted for ..... well, stupidity.........
Most "PL" on THIS forum, where the discussion is happening, claim that 'its a baby' from conception. Thus the question:

Do you believe disposing of a frozen embryo is also "killing a baby"?

Yes dear, we know you dont like my name. That's YOUR "tough shit" moment and irrelevant to the topic.

Carry on.

Since: Sep 08

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#283702 Feb 13, 2013
STO wrote:
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" Although most PL define the beginning of life at conception, an "embryo" that is conceived, studied, and frozen in the very first stages of development, in a test tube and not the womb, would never meet the legal or scientific definition of "viable"."
You didn't answer the question. You said abortion was "killing a baby". So, do you equate disposal of a frozen embryo with "killing a baby"? Viability is irrelevant to this question.
Exactly. Apparently he'd rather wax poetic about my SN than answer the question with ANY degree of intellectual honesty.
Katie

Spanaway, WA

#283703 Feb 13, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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Prove that claim. Don't come back with expecting others to do it for you.
"...amniotic fluid acts as an anesthetic..."
Prove it.
I have. More than once. About a year ago when claiming childbirth is a process, that the brain doesn't instantly wake up upon birth no matter how alert your newborn seems. Dig for it yourself. You argued it then, why should I do your work when you'll be less appreciative of it now?

Stop you idiotic, aggressive demanding of others. Google works as well for you as it does for me. Just look up the words in Merriam medical to understand the definitions of the chemical makeup of the amniotic fluid and what these do physiologically.

Come back to the table when you can be more adult. It'd be appreciated.
Anonymous

United States

#283705 Feb 13, 2013
STO wrote:
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"No we cuss at Him to, since we know every child that dies before birth is His doings."
His doings? Cuss at Him?
According to many it is, and yes many do.
I'm simply being sarcastic :)

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#283706 Feb 13, 2013
Forum wrote:
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Do these women know how their baby suffers? They can't hear
their baby screaming in the womb. How dumb.
An eight or ten-week-old fetus can't feel pain. That's a physiological fact.
Anonymous

United States

#283707 Feb 13, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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Prove that claim. Don't come back with expecting others to do it for you.
"...amniotic fluid acts as an anesthetic..."
Prove it.
I thought everyone knew this.
I think most unborn babies even want to be aborted.
They come up with many stupid things, to help ease their conscience,or the ones that still have one at all.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#283708 Feb 13, 2013
Katie wrote:
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She copies my words "physician determines fetus is viable" but doesn't understand what these mean as she rides my a$$ and demands I prove what I am saying or bow down to her highness. Even worse, when coming up behind her buddy Doc, she doesn't understand what he's saying (although I'm sure she's clicking those icons in his favor).
Didja see where she told me to prove Doc is PC? How crazy is that? Doc can confirm or deny himself. He's always claimed he's PC, though I see him as PL holding exceptions for life of woman.
LilLynne is ignoring Doc's argument.

His entire point is that if a physician determines ALS will give an infant any chance at survival whatsoever, then by defintion, it is viable.

Hence, my hypothetical artificial womb.

Her argument is that if an artificial womb were needed, the fetus isn't viable, as it wouldn't be viable in a natural womb.

Which is more along the lines of what I think.
Anonymous

United States

#283709 Feb 13, 2013
STO wrote:
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" Although most PL define the beginning of life at conception, an "embryo" that is conceived, studied, and frozen in the very first stages of development, in a test tube and not the womb, would never meet the legal or scientific definition of "viable"."
You didn't answer the question. You said abortion was "killing a baby". So, do you equate disposal of a frozen embryo with "killing a baby"? Viability is irrelevant to this question.
Well sto, the bible says that life is in the blood, so if a person must stop the heart from beating, then they gave killed a baby.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#283710 Feb 13, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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Exactly. Apparently he'd rather wax poetic about my SN than answer the question with ANY degree of intellectual honesty.
And this is the poster who was complaining about ad homs and juvenile behavior, yesterday.

Can't take you seriously because of your SN "...that name alone makes it difficult to take anything you say seriously. Just saying it out loud paints the most ridiculous mental image."

Sounds like a juvenile remark, to me.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#283711 Feb 13, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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I thought everyone knew this.
I think most unborn babies even want to be aborted.
They come up with many stupid things, to help ease their conscience,or the ones that still have one at all.
What a juvenile, judgmental remark. Unprovable, too.

How do posts like yours above contribute to the debate/discussion?

Imo, they don't.

You must have a reason for posting in this manner. What is it?
STO

Vallejo, CA

#283712 Feb 13, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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Well sto, the bible says that life is in the blood, so if a person must stop the heart from beating, then they gave killed a baby.
But a frozen embryo can implant and gestate. You consider it to be dead because the heart beat was stopped, however temporarily?
Katie

Spanaway, WA

#283713 Feb 13, 2013
STO wrote:
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" Although most PL define the beginning of life at conception, an "embryo" that is conceived, studied, and frozen in the very first stages of development, in a test tube and not the womb, would never meet the legal or scientific definition of "viable"."
You didn't answer the question. You said abortion was "killing a baby". So, do you equate disposal of a frozen embryo with "killing a baby"? Viability is irrelevant to this question.
He answered. He said, "...that's ...*different*..."

See? "That circumstance is different then an embryo that begins it's conception in the womb as a result of mans natural connection with women."

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#283714 Feb 13, 2013
STO wrote:
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And this is the poster who was complaining about ad homs and juvenile behavior, yesterday.
Can't take you seriously because of your SN "...that name alone makes it difficult to take anything you say seriously. Just saying it out loud paints the most ridiculous mental image."
Sounds like a juvenile remark, to me.
Thank goodness most people are more mature than that person. My RL name is easy to think of as" not serious." It's very feminine and sounds frivolous. No one has ever had difficulty taking me serious because of it.
Katie

Spanaway, WA

#283715 Feb 13, 2013
STO wrote:
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What a juvenile, judgmental remark. Unprovable, too.
How do posts like yours above contribute to the debate/discussion?
Imo, they don't.
You must have a reason for posting in this manner. What is it?
Gtown reminds me someone who used to post here.
Still trying to put my finger on it.
Maybe BA. Not positive.
Katie

Spanaway, WA

#283718 Feb 13, 2013
STO wrote:
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LilLynne is ignoring Doc's argument.
His entire point is that if a physician determines ALS will give an infant any chance at survival whatsoever, then by defintion, it is viable.
Hence, my hypothetical artificial womb.
Her argument is that if an artificial womb were needed, the fetus isn't viable, as it wouldn't be viable in a natural womb.
Which is more along the lines of what I think.
Sorry if this is a duplicate.

We see both points the same way, STO. Not sure how that would play out if Doc argued against it, though. Maybe it'd be easier for him to concede to Triple L than either you or me.

Didja read Foo's links? It's really fascinating, reading how different teams are creating artificial wombs. It looks like the second link has been translated to English, but is still easy enough to understand.

Thanks for the interesting info, Foo!

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#283719 Feb 13, 2013
Katie wrote:
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Sorry if this is a duplicate.
We see both points the same way, STO. Not sure how that would play out if Doc argued against it, though. Maybe it'd be easier for him to concede to Triple L than either you or me.
Didja read Foo's links? It's really fascinating, reading how different teams are creating artificial wombs. It looks like the second link has been translated to English, but is still easy enough to understand.
Thanks for the interesting info, Foo!
I know a doc at Johns Hopkins, one that helped write Josie's Story who was doing some of the research on the artifical womb, that's how I knew about it to begin with. It really is fascinating stuff!
Anonymous

United States

#283720 Feb 13, 2013
STO wrote:
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What a juvenile, judgmental remark. Unprovable, too.
How do posts like yours above contribute to the debate/discussion?
Imo, they don't.
You must have a reason for posting in this manner. What is it?
Yes, I'm trying to show, just how dumb it is when people come up with all kinds of stupid reasons why killing an unborn child is ok.

There are people who have things frozen, but this is not normal and has nothing to do with the average abortion.

I was just curious, if any thought the aborting of a viable fetus was considered murder?

Most abortions are done, on a just becouse I can, and it is legal, bases.
Under the direction of "safe sex ", we have more and more kids having sex.
When you have more people having sex, you have more pregnancies, when you have more pregnancies, you have a need for more abortions.

Aborting a baby, who has its own heart, is legalized murder, and not like any other medical procedure.
Katie

Spanaway, WA

#283721 Feb 13, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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I know a doc at Johns Hopkins, one that helped write Josie's Story who was doing some of the research on the artifical womb, that's how I knew about it to begin with. It really is fascinating stuff!
It is! I wonder what artificial amniotic fluid would be comprised of after reading they were working on that, too.

Thanks, again, Foo.
(there is much i could say regarding Josie's Story, but maybe on FB instead)

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feces for jesus

Westbury, NY

#283722 Feb 13, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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I thought everyone knew this.
I think most unborn babies even want to be aborted.
They come up with many stupid things, to help ease their conscience,or the ones that still have one at all.
You believe you met jesus and are saved, but it's everyone else who makes things up to clear their conscience. How hypocritical of you.

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