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Kenose

Bellmore, NY

#281773 Feb 3, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
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Your funny. So its all about a womens choice, but its the man that pursues the sex and makes the choice for it to happen. So if you make half the money in the house and combine it with your husbands, you have the "choice" of whether he has any say over how its used in your lives? I'm not jewish, I just find their hypocrisy over the value of life as a sick joke. They whine about having 6 million of their ancestors murdered in the holocaust, yet they vote for and support the murder of millions of innocent babies. Go figure. Its the same kind of circular thinking you pride yourself on. You know everything about everything except for the stuff you don't know you don't know, yet your still an expert on that too. Your arrogance and judgmental attitude about everything and everyone that doesn't fit into your box goes right over your head. Men are stupid. Conservatives are stupid. Everyone that disagrees with you is stupid. But you? Your an intellectual legend in your own mind. Typical pro death liberal.
You're or your, dimwit????
STO

Vallejo, CA

#281774 Feb 3, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
I do, too, STO. I think it's illegal anyway, so it's moot. Illegal abortions are not the norm so long as Roe v Wade is in effect.
Thx for answering, Katie. I don't know of any PC who support, approve of, agree with abortion at this point, when there is no medical reason, emergency to do so. I don't even know of one.

Not only that, but I get why AC is so adament about bestowing some kind of rights or legal protection to the fetus at this point. Even tho it's illegal, the woman can "get away" with terminating her fetus. Are there any criminal charges for terminating one's fetus? We know it's not manslaughter or murder. Seems to me, the woman might be carted off to the looney bin for a short time for endangering herself.

But who does that? It has to be the extreme rarity. An act of pure desperation that bestowing rights on a fetus couldn't stop, anyway.

Katie wrote:
<quoted text>And thank you for commenting on this. JM probably won't go further than she already did; ZEF-focused to the exclusion of all else.
It was interesting your analysis of ac/pl working backward from one day prior to the due date and pc working forward from conception. I hadn't noticed it before yet it seems correct. It would definitely explain why it seems ac/pl and pc speak in different languages.
(i want jm to recognize she is no different than michael schiavo regarding refusing her daughter a life-saving abortion. that it is her right to do so, just like it was michael's right not to treat terri's infections and/or remove her artificial life support)
We do speak different languages. I'm hoping some on the AC/PL side can recognize many on the PC side are at least semi-fluent in theirs. Unfortunately, few AC/PL are interested in learning ours.

As for sjm, well -- she's confident her kids will never break any rule she's laid down for them. If she taught them smoking is bad and to never do it, they'll never try it. Never. According to her.

So if her daughter faced a life-threatening pregnancy, sjm knows she wouldn't choose abortion because in sjm's world life-threatening pregnancies don't exist -- it's a moot point for her, all the way around.

Her kids don't rebel. Uh-huh.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#281775 Feb 3, 2013
"regressed belief in neonaticide type of behavior"? Words are fun when you just throw them together, aren't they?

Who benefits when you take a drink of water or watch a tv show you like? Is that selfish too? No matter how good your relationship, your partnermay not be in the mood for sex.
Knox wrote:
<quoted text>I find you hilarious for your regressed belief in neonaticide type of behavior. Oh, and masturbation is not selfish? Just who do you think benefits from it? Nobody but you. Most people have done it and it is normal, but most people that marry don't have a need for it if they have a good relationship. Too much power to a woman? Are you kidding? My wife lets me think I wear the pants but she is really the one who runs the place, she is awesome. Too bad your life is filled with so much anger and strife. I mean come on, your one mission here is to defend a selfish decision to kill your unborn. Wow, I have no problems compared to you.
Kenose

Bellmore, NY

#281776 Feb 3, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is more then enough evidence.
There is even more then that to me. A guy who went from not believing in God at all, into believe whole heartedly in God.
I thought religion is just what folks did.
I thought Heaven and Hell (if it was real) was only a matter of good or bad.
I thought (and many "christians "think if your good works outweigh your bad, then you go to Heaven.
If your bad works are more then good, then Hell.
Many who go to church now believe this method.
After the night I was woken up by God -it was HE that straightened me out.
I had tried cleaning up this or that before, but could never reach a point that I felt good enough.
I know believe, as God says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
If you have ever told a lie, then you are a liar.
Asking forgiveness doesn't erase the lie.
Like killing someone, asking forgiveness will not bring the other person back, nor will it erase the fact that they are a murderer.
Only having Gods grace applied to ones life will erase all.
Jesus died for all sin -past, present, future.
A christian asks for forgiveness to restore fellowship with God.
Sonship is done by the blood of God (Jesus Christ) being applied to ones soul.
Many died having faith for His comming.
I will die having faith in His comming.
There is no objective evidence at all.
Kenose

Bellmore, NY

#281777 Feb 3, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok Ocean, but you can say ALL that you just said about the WOMAN as well!
SHE should THINK about getting pregnant BEFORE she has sex.
If SHE cannot be bothered with a few thoughts about getting pregnant, then SHE can just walk away.
I nolonger believe in deadbeat dads.
The only one I would put that label on, is the guy that WANTED the child, and later walked away. Only AFTER THE BIRTH. if he walks away BEFORE the birth of HIS child, then just like women can CHOOSE, then the Man should be able to CHOOSE to ABORT his responsibilities.
Like I said, if you just replace the he with a she in what you just wrote, then there would be very few abortions.
More insanity!

Consent to sex is not consent to have and carry a child. It seems all you fundies want to do is control the sex lives of women (and not the man).

Who cares that you don't "believe" in deadbeat Dads. They exist. This is the problem with your type; you are so locked in by your beliefs that you refuse to stay open to anything outside your world view. You are bound by your beliefs. Just because you believe something doesn't make it true. Deadbeat Dad's exist and your "belief" means nothing to anyone except yourself.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#281778 Feb 3, 2013
"I must be dense..."--pretty well sums up your post. You erate the woman for her story, but your post is all "me me me"--it's all about what YOU think, what YOU believe, what YOU want her to do. You're awfully self-impressed for someone who's never been in her position.
Knox wrote:
<quoted text>I must be dense to the point that all I heard in your cut/paste story was, me-me-me, I don't have my freedom, sniff sniff. If this mentally and morally bankrupt woman wasn't woman enough to do the right thing, then she can give the child up to child services. Or she could kill it. After all whats the difference between you and her? And I will post as I see fit. My point of view and values are still protected, as are yours. Just because my morals differ from all the progressive garbage people like you love to worship, it doesn't mean I have to listen and not argue back with a traditional, moral point of view. And if you don't like it, too bad.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#281779 Feb 3, 2013
This may also become the next RvW; most states do not force other outpatient clinics to "partner" with a local hospital, making the law discrimnatory.

It's also probably spark a backlash against these men who are depriving women of their rights. It certainly should.
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is only 1 abortion clinic left in a few /several states.
These states are in a race "of sorts ", to be the 1st state to claim the status of "abortion free " state.
The govenor of MS, makes no bones about his intentions.
He has openly, clearly said that he will do all, that is within his power to shut it down!
He has now legaly put conditions on this clinic, and the one that may be it's down fall, is the one that says within a certain time limit "which is comming very soon ",they must have a hospital that will "partner " with them, in order to be able to have access, in case something goes wrong "which it does "during an abortion.
They have so far NOT been able to get a hospital to sign off on the "hey we screwed up this womans abortion,so can you now fix it "papers.
As much as the pro kill at will folks on here want you to believe, Everyone is not ok with being associated with the killing of an unborn human.
Plus, as I stated they are not the only state.
The state of AR used to have 17 abortionist, but now they only have 1.
Many kill at will, would also have you to believe, that it is not just abortion mills that can do abortions, but any med doctor, with the proper credentials can do an abortion.
That may be true, but it is not reality.
Again -many, many, many doctors signed on to help human life not kill human life.
They also know that it is a type of business, that one is either IN or OUT.
The fact is, a regular doctor would lose way to many patients if the patience knew they also perform abortions.
It seems to me, that compared to the number of doctors in the US, that there are just a few, that believe in abortion, enough to do one,no matter how popular some would have you believe abortion is.

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#281780 Feb 3, 2013
Kenose wrote:
<quoted text>
More insanity!
Consent to sex is not consent to have and carry a child. It seems all you fundies want to do is control the sex lives of women (and not the man).
Who cares that you don't "believe" in deadbeat Dads. They exist. This is the problem with your type; you are so locked in by your beliefs that you refuse to stay open to anything outside your world view. You are bound by your beliefs. Just because you believe something doesn't make it true. Deadbeat Dad's exist and your "belief" means nothing to anyone except yourself.
of course the whole anti-choice movement is about controlling the sex lives of women....its always been about that.

the same group that is anti-choice was also the same group who wanted to keep birth control illegal for unmarried people.

if the anti=choice group wasn't about controlling the sex lives of women and they were really concerned about the lives of children then they would be

1. For Sex education in schools for children
2. distributing birth control devices to children

two things that have been proven to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies in teenagers the most

they also would not be for cutting programs that provide assistance and medical coverage to poor families with children.

the sad fact is that they only care about the fetus/embryo/zygote/fertilized egg during the pregnancy. after that they could care less about the child

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#281781 Feb 3, 2013
"Fault"--that's all you care about. Someone to blame ans someone to feel superior to. Abortion is a solution to a prolem, nothing more. If you want to pretend there's more to it, who gives a damn? YOU will never be in a position to make the decision.

If you want to see hatred, stand outside a clinic and listen to the "loving christians" calling women all manner of vile names.
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
Ocean lives in a reality like our president does, nothing is ever her fault. If she gets pregnant, it would be entirely the mans fault. She was obviously deprived of affection and love as a child and young adult, because one would have to be to be so selfish, cold hearted, and numb of emotion or compassion that they would bring lethal harm to the very life that she was responsible for creating. Only a person incapable of love could do such a thing to an otherwise healthy, gestating baby human. Thats why hating comes so easily to progressive liberals. To find out just how hate filled their souls are, try to disagree with one.
grumpy

Stony Point, NY

#281783 Feb 3, 2013
Knox wrote:
<quoted text>I find you hilarious for your regressed belief in neonaticide type of behavior. Oh, and masturbation is not selfish? Just who do you think benefits from it? Nobody but you. Most people have done it and it is normal, but most people that marry don't have a need for it if they have a good relationship. Too much power to a woman? Are you kidding? My wife lets me think I wear the pants but she is really the one who runs the place, she is awesome. Too bad your life is filled with so much anger and strife. I mean come on, your one mission here is to defend a selfish decision to kill your unborn. Wow, I have no problems compared to you.
You have no problems because you have no conscience.
You sold your conscience and bought morality.
As far as selfish vis a vis your wife is concerned, what does she do that you would prefer to do.
And are you sure she doesn't masturbate?

“That rug tied the room”

Since: Aug 09

together--did it not...?

#281784 Feb 3, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is only 1 abortion clinic left in a few /several states.
These states are in a race "of sorts ", to be the 1st state to claim the status of "abortion free " state.
The govenor of MS, makes no bones about his intentions.
He has openly, clearly said that he will do all, that is within his power to shut it down!
He has now legaly put conditions on this clinic, and the one that may be it's down fall, is the one that says within a certain time limit "which is comming very soon ",they must have a hospital that will "partner " with them, in order to be able to have access, in case something goes wrong "which it does "during an abortion.
They have so far NOT been able to get a hospital to sign off on the "hey we screwed up this womans abortion,so can you now fix it "papers.
As much as the pro kill at will folks on here want you to believe, Everyone is not ok with being associated with the killing of an unborn human.
Plus, as I stated they are not the only state.
The state of AR used to have 17 abortionist, but now they only have 1.
Many kill at will, would also have you to believe, that it is not just abortion mills that can do abortions, but any med doctor, with the proper credentials can do an abortion.
That may be true, but it is not reality.
Again -many, many, many doctors signed on to help human life not kill human life.
They also know that it is a type of business, that one is either IN or OUT.
The fact is, a regular doctor would lose way to many patients if the patience knew they also perform abortions.
It seems to me, that compared to the number of doctors in the US, that there are just a few, that believe in abortion, enough to do one,no matter how popular some would have you believe abortion is.
Greetings "Gtown,"
I've read several of your posts with a fair bit of interest and though I can't say I've agreed with any of your stances, you usually post politely enough, though you do seem to find an opportunity to insert something of a self-righteous "needle" on a regular basis.
The same can be said with this post. While you may feel that the Governor of MS, is taking a "righteous" position, I personally can't help but wonder when fiscal conservatives in that state's legislature are going to start complaining about how many more folks are becoming recipients of "state-aid" to care for all those "unplanned" children...
As to your "needle," your use of the, "pro-kill-at-will," phrase speaks volumes, as do your repeated(and unnecessary) affirmations of your religious convictions--if you can't make your argument without invoking your religious beliefs, you're not going to be terribly effective at "convincing" those who don't happen to share those beliefs...
As a side note, why is it that conservatives of practically "all" stripes who are ardently "pro-business," shriek to the heavens about businesses that make "profits" providing services they "personally" object to?

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#281785 Feb 3, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
You - as usual - ARE LYING Lynniekins.
<quoted text>
You made the claim - AS A FACTUAL STATEMENT USED IN DISCUSSION - that you "PERSONALLY" know someone "born in a vegetative state and is over 40 now".
You LIED since NOBODY has EVER been "born in a vegetative state" in HISTORY.
That certainly IS a claim you've made that you LIED about and subsequently cannot back up. Just one of MANY claims you've made you can't back up. You idiot.
Wrong again, bonehead. I answewred a question about what I was thinking of in creating a hypothetical question I asked of PCers. You tried to call me a liar and I didn't care what you claimed. Whether or not anyone believed me was irrelevant to the discussion that was taking place, and irrelevant to my hypothetical question asked of PCers.

Epic fail on your part, Toots.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#281786 Feb 3, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it would be on you to prove that I DID alter it since YOU are the one making THAT claim.
...
Wrong. That's 2 for 2 so far and I've just begun reading your stupidity posted.

You made a claim that something was stated in e-mails, and it would be up to you to prove you have not altered e-mails, which you can't prove. No one can.

Epic fail, again.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#281787 Feb 3, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you'd remember JM and I were conversing.
You butted right in.
Your ad homs have as much impact as you do.
Or as little.
Perspective is everything. And you have none. Except for a fetus who's doomed anyway.
Your stupidity doesn't excuse you from falsely accusing me, Toots, and that's not from my butting in. That's from you.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#281788 Feb 3, 2013
No Relativism wrote:
<quoted text>
Klueless Katiekins: "Perspective is everything. And you have none. Except for a fetus who's doomed anyway."
A "doomed fetus" - and, therefore, a fetus that must be intentionally & brutally killed - is only your malicious perspective.
Lily stand behind truth.
You, Katiekins, stand behind evil intent.
Excactly. Just because a fetus isn't wanted doesn't mean the fetus is doomed. Not if the mother doesn't have the kind of selfishness we see from the PCers here.
Tom Tom

Phillipsburg, NJ

#281789 Feb 3, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
And straight boys could keep it in their pants. Were you a virgin on your wedding night? How about your wife?
But it's really about punishing women who enjoy sex, isn't it? As for "valuing" fetuses, that's a philosophical decision. You'remfree to worshipo them if you wish, but no one else has to follow your beliefs.
<quoted text>
Vlady you old pole prncer, don't you think you guys have enough problems in life without getting involved in heterosexual issues. The gays have always had a problem keeping it in their pants. Studies show the gays have numerous anonnymous sexual partners and are unable to maintain mogonomous relationships. You should not cast stones.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#281790 Feb 3, 2013
I posted:
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
The e-mail you supposedly got from mods was about Persevere, not about me,.
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
You ARE the OP that posted as Lynne D, Perverse AND Lyin Lily. Same thing.
Thank you, LIAR. I told you, the more you post, the more you prove you're lying. lol. No, liar, it's NOT the same thing. You tried to claim mods e-mailed you about me,(Lily), about the name Lynne, when if there was an e-mail from them, it was about Persevere.

You just admitted that the e-mail from mods supposedly about me (Lily) was actually about Persevere being Lynne, as I knew it was, because you claimed something about paying to report, which was not in effect since I started posting in Dec. 2010.

I'll be keeping this post for the next time you try to LIE about this.
Gtown71

United States

#281791 Feb 3, 2013
Kenose wrote:
<quoted text>
More insanity!
Consent to sex is not consent to have and carry a child. It seems all you fundies want to do is control the sex lives of women (and not the man).
Who cares that you don't "believe" in deadbeat Dads. They exist. This is the problem with your type; you are so locked in by your beliefs that you refuse to stay open to anything outside your world view. You are bound by your beliefs. Just because you believe something doesn't make it true. Deadbeat Dad's exist and your "belief" means nothing to anyone except yourself.
I was simply saying whatever is good for the goose, is good ..........

Whatever lines you draw for a male who doesn't want a baby can be drawn for the female.

I know that there are dead beat dads, but if they use their tactics on why a woman can choose to be responsible for her kid, then if a man doesn't want one, and the female does, then the male should be able to choose as well.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#281792 Feb 3, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
Unwanted/unhealthy fetuses are doomed. There's no way getting around that reality. I didn't make it up, I am stating it. You don't know what I stand for as your comprehension and prejudices against me prevent you from seeing what is clear. All you wrote above is nothing but BS created in your head. It has zero perspective or impact in the real world.
Katie: "Unwanted/unhealthy fetuses are doomed."

No they aren't, you mental case.

Many unhealthy fetuses were treated in utero and survived. Many unwanted fetuses were allowed to live because their mothers didn't have the selfish outlook you have. Many who would have aborted out of fear didn't, because they had the right kind of support system to help them follow-through with their pregnancy and help them with what they feared.

"Doomed" is the outlook of a pessimistic fool.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#281793 Feb 3, 2013
Conservative Democrat wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know. I didn't go to Harvard Law...
Exactly.

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