Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

[Bitner]

sassyliciouus wrote:

<quoted text> Repeat: please answer my direct question.

Your question is unanswerable, and proof that you don't understand the discussion.

Could you please tell us all what a missed period is? Or what a missed appointment is?

[No Relativism]

Bitner wrote:

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No, obviously you did NOT understand the discussion, or you wouldn't have asked your question again. Which IS, by the way, unanswerable as one does not miscarry a child. Children are already born, and by that time there is no pregnancy to end.
Once again, the discussion was not about a complete miscarriage, but a MISSED MISCARRIAGE, where the fetus does not naturally expel.
Now, perhaps you will answer the questions I asked LynneD. Could you please explain to us all what a missed period is, or a missed appointment?

Bhitler: "MISSED MISCARRIAGE"
__________

ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Code O02.1
Missed abortion

•Retention in uterus of an abortus that has been dead at least 4 weeks.

Applicable To
•Early fetal death, before completion of 20 weeks of gestation, with retention of dead fetus

Excludes:

•failed induced abortion
•fetal death (intrauterine)(late)
•missed abortion with blighted ovum
•missed abortion with hydatidiform mole
•missed abortion with nonhydatidiform
•missed abortion with other abnormal products of conception
•missed delivery
•stillbirth

http://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/O00-O9...

[No Relativism]

Bitner wrote:

<quoted text>
Yes, but a fetus is neither.

SweetSassy: Our offspring Are our children.

Bhitler: Yes, but a fetus is neither.
__________

At 5-7 weeks gestation: "It's A Girl!"...."It's A Boy!"

Baby Gender Test: http://www.tellmepinkorblue.com/

[cpeter1313]

Hormonal activity, circulatory activity, even continued expansion of the uterus can continue even when the fetus is rotting; that is why women are supposed to have frequent check-ups. What do you cll it when everything continues except for the fetus?

worships reality wrote:

<quoted text>
yep
<quoted text>
explain how given the medical definition of pregnant.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.c...
<quoted text>
yeah, the activity of carrying a developing fetus.
you're more stupid than all the others combined.

[Bitner]

No Relativism wrote:

<quoted text>
Bhitler: "MISSED MISCARRIAGE"
__________
ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Code O02.1
Missed abortion
•Retention in uterus of an abortus that has been dead at least 4 weeks.
Applicable To
•Early fetal death, before completion of 20 weeks of gestation, with retention of dead fetus
Excludes:
•failed induced abortion
•fetal death (intrauterine)(late)
•missed abortion with blighted ovum
•missed abortion with hydatidiform mole
•missed abortion with nonhydatidiform
•missed abortion with other abnormal products of conception
•missed delivery
•stillbirth
http://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/O00-O9...

Sorry, but your billing codes don't prove anything.

Now, perhaps YOU'LL be the one to answer my questions?

Could you please explain to us all what a missed period is? Or what a missed appointment is?

[cpeter1313]

Why? Everything about them that is important is still with me.

sassyliciouus wrote:

<quoted text> Our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit. Our bodies die but our souls live on for eternity. Our bodies are treated with respect even after death because of it.
You don't visit anyone that you loved grave?

[cpeter1313]

Because not everyone views a fetus as equal to a born child, and don't have to live in PLM hell with you?

sassyliciouus wrote:

<quoted text>The Dr aborted(killed) your son or your daughter.
Why are you denying this miss nurse?

[Bitner]

No Relativism wrote:

<quoted text>
SweetSassy: Our offspring Are our children.
Bhitler: Yes, but a fetus is neither.
__________
At 5-7 weeks gestation: "It's A Girl!"...."It's A Boy!"
Baby Gender Test: http://www.tellmepinkorblue.com/

Wow, you're another idiot. That post was not about gender.

Your drugstore marketing ploy doesn't prove anything, either.

[sassyliciouus]

Bitner wrote:

<quoted text>
Your question is unanswerable, and proof that you don't understand the discussion.
Could you please tell us all what a missed period is? Or what a missed appointment is?

You've claimed that a woman is pregnant even after her fetus is dead.

I will repeat for the third and final time: If you were pregnant and then miscarried, would you answer "yes " if asked by someone, if you were pregnant?.

A simple yes or no will suffice.

If you want to dodge it again, I will understand and bid you a buh bye and good night ;)

[No Relativism]

cpeter1313 wrote:

That's not what it says at all; it says they should work with teams to improve documentation. It does NOT say they should all learn coding. Coding is a specialty unto itself.
<quoted text>

Cpeter: It says they should work with teams to improve documentation. It does NOT say they should all learn coding.

It says improve documentation & work flow BASED ON coding. Moron.

[sassyliciouus]

cpeter1313 wrote:

Why? Everything about them that is important is still with me.
<quoted text>

You didn't attend your moms wake or funeral?.

[cpeter1313]

I sure as fu** hope it was dead tissue, or that cremation would have been mighty uncomfortable.

Call it a corpse, medical waste, dead tissue, or whatever floats your boat, Charon. Do you always get hung up on terminology? Life is too short for this crap.

sassyliciouus wrote:

<quoted text>
I'm sorry about your loss.
I asked you a direct question. Was your moms body "dead tissue and medical waste"?like you claimed?.
Yes or no.

[sassyliciouus]

cpeter1313 wrote:

Because not everyone views a fetus as equal to a born child, and don't have to live in PLM hell with you?
<quoted text>

Nobody cares what you "view" a fetus as. A female.(daughter) or male (son) is in that womans womb and that is a fact.

So why do you suppose Leesyboo is denying that?

[Katie]

Bitner wrote:

<quoted text>
You mean the ones the No Relevance is ignoring? Yeah, I've seen them :)

Okay, thanks, Bitner.
Thought I pissed off a mod or something.

:)

[cpeter1313]

What if the etus is intersexed, or terminates before displaying gender characteristics?

sassyliciouus wrote:

<quoted text> You're a joke.
That fetus has a sex. It is either your daughter or son in that womb.

[Katie]

No Relativism wrote:

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Katie: "Now, wasn't your original claim that D&Cs are different depending on spontaneous and induced abortions? From what it says above, there is no difference."
A patient placed within a particular Diagnostic Related Group doesn't mean he/she is same as others in that group. The hospital is reimbursed the same for those in that group, even though they may receive different treatments for different reasons.
Submissions for reimbursement to Medicare for an induced abortion would be clear it is for an induced abortion. Doc/code for Rape/incest/life of mother and Proper ICD-9 code.
I shared yesterday that ICD-9 codes are clear that differences exist:
634 Spontaneous abortion (non-elective)
http://www.icd9data.com/2012/Volume1/630-679/...
635 Legally induced abortion (elective)
http://www.icd9data.com/2012/Volume1/630-679/...
636 Illegally induced abortion (elective)
http://www.icd9data.com/2012/Volume1/630-679/...

I'm thinking those numbers would be attached to these numbers 770 and 779 to specify if a D&C was used or not. But the code for abortion with D&C is all by itself and the code for abortion without D&C is all by itself. Meaning, the D&C procedure is not different for the type of abortion experienced which is what you've continuously claimed in error.

A bit of friendly advice; Triple L's and your cups of stupidly stubborn seem to've runneth over, NR.

[Katie]

sassyliciouus wrote:

<quoted text> You've claimed that a woman is pregnant even after her fetus is dead.
I will repeat for the third and final time: If you were pregnant and then miscarried, would you answer "yes " if asked by someone, if you were pregnant?.
A simple yes or no will suffice.
If you want to dodge it again, I will understand and bid you a buh bye and good night ;)

If you knew you'd miscarried, you'd answer No, you were not pregnant because the spontaneous abortion is complete.

If you hadn't realized you'd miscarried, you'd answer Yes, you are pregnant because the spontaneous was not complete.

Pretty basic stuff, JM.

[AyakaNeo]

cpeter1313 wrote:

Nope. A pregnancy can continue even if the fetus dies. Hell, there are cases of pregnancy with no fetuses at all. Pregnancy refers to the activity of the woman's body.
<quoted text>

Exactly, molar pregnancy. No fetus even though fertilization occurred, the abnormal growth will trigger the body to have symptoms of pregnancy.

[AyakaNeo]

sassyliciouus wrote:

<quoted text> This is absolutely stupid.
If you miscarried your child would you still answer 'yes " when asked if you were pregnant?

I would answer I am pregnant but there is no heartbeat, I am going in for a D&C tomorrow to terminate the pregnancy so we can try to get pregnant again as soon as possible.

[No Relativism]

Katie wrote:

<quoted text>
I'm thinking those numbers would be attached to these numbers 770 and 779 to specify if a D&C was used or not. But the code for abortion with D&C is all by itself and the code for abortion without D&C is all by itself. Meaning, the D&C procedure is not different for the type of abortion experienced which is what you've continuously claimed in error.
A bit of friendly advice; Triple L's and your cups of stupidly stubborn seem to've runneth over, NR.

Katie: "Your cup of stupidly stubbornseems to've runneth over, NR."

Katie: "The code for abortion with D&C is all by itself and the code for abortion without D&C is all by itself. Meaning, the D&C procedure is not different for the type of abortion experienced which is what you've continuously claimed in error."

The problem w/ your 'logic' is 770 & 779 are Diagnostic Related Groups (DRGs). They are not codes for specific diagnoses or procedures. They encompass related - but various - diagnoses. Medicare patients in each respective group would be expected to utilize hospital resources at similar levels (but not same exact procedures/treatments). Hospitals are reimbursed a predetrmined amount for Medicare patients within each DRG.

You read the DRG title and made assumptions that would be favorable to your argument. It's an unsubstantiated leap.

Nice try, though.